Advice wanted - unhappy with rewire

[Midwest]

The tug test will make sure it doesn’t come out, is what I was saying

What changes things, is after the tug test you push the accessory into the back box, putting pressure on previously tightened terminals. Nothing is certain IMO.

 

[johnduffell]

Yeah tug test won't find every problematic termination, but it finds enough to be worth the 10 seconds it takes to do it, especially with multiple conductors into one terminal. It's no substitute for good workmanship, inspection and testing just complementary.

 

[telectrix]

That is just being gullible to think all think it will be perfect. Bit like being sure the fridge light is off, when you shut the door.

i'll tell you the answer as soon as i work out how to open the fridge door from inside. brrrrrr. it's cold in here.

 

[rapparee]

Also, the cables should have had capping over them before the plasterer does his bit, to stop the plaster rotting the cables. This is a job for the electrician and is part of the first fix

The cables should be routed through 20mm round conduit.

Am I right @Risteard ?

 

[telectrix]

doing that over here would price us out of 90% of domestic jobs.

 

[Risteard]

The cables should be routed through 20mm round conduit.

Am I right @Risteard ?

It's certainly considered good practice here (or indeed standard practice). Across the border it's actually mandatory to protect cables against plaster e.g. with conduit (although as we all know the chemical composition of plaster nowadays isn't actually likely to cause any issue).

 

[Nigel]

Questions I would like answered?

1. How much was the quote?

2. What checks did you make prior to engaging with this particular contractor?

 

[spark 68]

Why Essex ? what has that got to do with the thread ?
People have been charged top whack and still had a sh** job done.

 

[telectrix]

Why Essex ? what has that got to do with the thread ?
People have been charged top whack and still had a sh** job done.

essex post is relevant. if the quote was super low, no wonder thety done in 2 days. if high, then poss rip off.

 

[spark 68]

I disagree Tel,
It could have been done at short notice, plus I don't agree with slagging another spark off without giving a right of reply, unless it was a total abortion from the beginning, you should know me by now, price does not come into at this moment in time

 

[telectrix]

true.we don't have the whole story.

 

[Spoon]

Questions I would like answered?

1. How much was the quote?

2. What checks did you make prior to engaging with this particular contractor?

I'm with @spark 68 on this......

1. What do you expect the general public to know about pricing of jobs...
If one quote was 1 grand and another was 3 grand then you would be looking at the first one, as the second one may be trying to rip you off..

2. Again, what checks do you expect the general public to know to do...
Usually get a friend to suggest someone is good is good enough for most.

 

[Nigel]

I would suggest that most people that do not know what they are talking about would ask for at least three quotations for work. How could anyone make an informed decision without a comparative quote? If this particular contractor was £1500 when the other two were around £3k and the customwr chose to go with the £1500 option I think that is relevant. I am not saying it is ok to rip someone off but I am saying that expectations of work quality will be linked to the price paid.

Again I would also be asking if they are insured, competent, do they hold any qualifications etc. I would not want my boiler change being carried out by anyone not able or not willing to provide this most basic of information.

Furthermore it says a lot about a customer if price was the only thing looked at when looking at these things.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

 

[spark 68]

Not always, the cheapest quote may come from someone who is good but may be just starting out and/or small and will do an exemplary job, othoh you could get someone whom is basically taking p**s and charging high and sending shall we say "operatives" out and charging premium rates.
Seen it done.

 

[Toneyz]

i'll tell you the answer as soon as i work out how to open the fridge door from inside. brrrrrr. it's cold in here.

One constellation is I bet you have some cold beers in there.

 

[KEV 1 N]

Well it’s debatable whether the loose line conductor would have shown up on testing.
I used the term Proper Testing for the benefit of the OP who may not understand terminology like Initial Verifacation which if carried out properly (Proper Testing) WOULD have found that poor termination.

 

[spark 68]

You got a disagree because testing would have not likely shown this up, proper inspection might have.

 

[Spoon]

If this particular contractor was £1500 when the other two were around £3k and the customwr chose to go with the £1500 option I think that is relevant. I am not saying it is ok to rip someone off but I am saying that expectations of work quality will be linked to the price paid.

When I was having my ceilings plastered over I got 4 quotes. I went with the second cheapest. They did a great job.

Again I would also be asking if they are insured, competent, do they hold any qualifications etc. I would not want my boiler change being carried out by anyone not able or not willing to provide this most basic of information.

Why would the general public be asking for insurance, competence & quals.... They expect that the electrician will have all the relevant stuff to do the job, otherwise they would not be doing it.
Yes, this is not always the case in real life, but it's what they would expect.

 

[Nigel]

When I was having my ceilings plastered over I got 4 quotes. I went with the second cheapest. They did a great job.



Why would the general public be asking for insurance, competence & quals.... They expect that the electrician will have all the relevant stuff to do the job, otherwise they would not be doing it.
Yes, this is not always the case in real life, but it's what they would expect.

Because they should actually give a damn about people doing work in their house that could, if not done correctly kill someone.

 

[Andy78]

When I was having my ceilings plastered over I got 4 quotes. I went with the second cheapest. They did a great job.

I do similar with plasterers but go for the second least inebriated. There's a fine balance of special brew intake required to achieve a perfect finish.

 

[KEV 1 N]

You got a disagree because testing would have not likely shown this up, proper inspection might have.

Yeah I said it’s Debatable, and yes I should have said “Inspection and Testing” . At the end of the day they’ve obviously not did the tug test when 2nd fixing and the result is the line cable came out when the socket was disturbed.
I’ve tested numerous ring circuits and most are usually ok, but there have been a few with “open” continuity on either line, neutral or earth or even all! Some with significant difference between line and neutral or earth eg N = 0.65ohms but live would be say 200ohms! Obviously not open, but a slight touching contact at some point in the circuit.

 

[buzzlightyear]

The cables should still have something over them, capping, tube or the like

yeah ,like what a bandage .LOL.

 

[spark 68]

I agree, if humans were infallible then we would not need to T&I

 

[KEV 1 N]

I agree, if humans were infallible then we would not need to T&I

TBH I’d be very surprised if ANY T&I was done to this job, and if it was they’d probably used a bingo machine to come up with the numbers!

 

[Rpa07]

But we don’t know that!

TBH I’d be very surprised if ANY T&I was done to this job, and if it was they’d probably used a bingo machine to come up with the numbers!

This thread should have been started 1/2hr before the spark was due to pop around to see the OP Sarah!
We’ve done what we normally do and fuelled the situation! Will we ever learn ?

 

[KEV 1 N]

But we don’t know that!

This thread should have been started 1/2hr before the spark was due to pop around to see the OP Sarah!
We’ve done what we normally do and fuelled the situation! Will we ever learn ?

Just as well we’re not Judges in court of law.....we’d have them hanged before they took they took the oath!

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

If you dont get three quotes for any work over a few hundred quid then your crazy imo.

Never go with a quote to cheap, your going to end up woth ----.

 

[Midwest]

Yeah tug test won't find every problematic termination, but it finds enough to be worth the 10 seconds it takes to do it, especially with multiple conductors into one terminal. It's no substitute for good workmanship, inspection and testing just complementary.

Oh yawn.

 

[Midwest]

I just quickly glanced at the thread title, as I was reading your replies.

Could of sworn it said ' Advice wanted- unhappy with wife'.

OP got bored after page 5. Who can blame her.

 

[Rpa07]

I just quickly glanced at the thread title, as I was reading your replies.

Could of sworn it said ' Advice wanted- unhappy with wife'.

OP got bored after page 5. Who can blame her.

Agreed, there are more posts than ‘I say You say’!

 

[KEV 1 N]

Nothing like a long drawn out thread!

 

[johnduffell]

Oh yawn.

Either you misunderstood my post or you're rude. My "yeah" was expressing agreement with your post for a start.

I don't mind disagreeing with people at all if i can learn something new. It's not like I've made a similar post previously is it?

 

[Spoon]

Because they should actually give a damn about people doing work in their house that could, if not done correctly kill someone.

People do give a damn. My reply "Why would the general public be asking for insurance, competence & quals.... They expect that the electrician will have all the relevant stuff to do the job, otherwise they would not be doing it.
Yes, this is not always the case in real life, but it's what they would expect." is still true.

 

[spark 68]

Take no mind to Essex he is in his own little world playing with his train set

 

[spark 68]

@ Essex, Hi Neill hope you are playing nice

 

[Sarah123]

Wow! I'm amazed at the amount of responses - I only just realised another 4 pages of them are on here. Thank you! I've read them all through and here are answers to the questions in there.

The quote was for just under £3000. We had a second quote for £2600. We went for the higher because they had much 100% positive feedback on the site we hired them from and feedback on previous rewires that they'd done. I met both the guys and they seemed genuine and I trusted them. They also had a long list of qualifications that they had. One strange thing I have since noticed was that the name on the site isn't the name of the guys who did the installation, but the mobile number is theirs. Not sure that's a problem, but I did list it as one of the issues on my email to him. They're part of the NICEIC and their company is registered on their.

We haven't been living at the property, so they definitely could have left it after first fix. We are due to move in on Wednesday though, and not feeling confident about the safety. We're hoping they will be bringing some paperwork with them this evening to at least prove to us proper testing was done. Otherwise i guess we'll have to get another electrician in to test the sockets/ fittings.

 

[telectrix]

think now is the time to liase with the electricians. tell them of your concerns, sort it out between you. some of the posts here have been negative, but only you are there. raise any concerns you have with them, if they are anything like good sparks, they will sort out the issues amicably.

 

[Midwest]

Either you misunderstood my post or you're rude. My "yeah" was expressing agreement with your post for a start.

I don't mind disagreeing with people at all if i can learn something new. It's not like I've made a similar post previously is it?

Me rude. How very dare you.

 

[Sarah123]

think now is the time to liase with the electricians. tell them of your concerns, sort it out between you. some of the posts here have been negative, but only you are there. raise any concerns you have with them, if they are anything like good sparks, they will sort out the issues amicably.

Thanks - yep this is certainly what we're hoping for.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I think you will be alright, i think mr plasterer has caused. Your socket to melt and is trying to put the lads in the brpwn stuff.