Scotland Ban Gas Fired Boilers

[Dustydazzler]

Scotland to ban oil and gas-fired boilers in all new homes from 2024

Proposal means Scottish government will introduce ban ahead of England and Wales

uk.yahoo.com

 

[UNG]

Scotland to ban oil and gas-fired boilers in all new homes from 2024

Proposal means Scottish government will introduce ban ahead of England and Wales

uk.yahoo.com

Reading that article it is not cut and dried ban yet

 

[telectrix]

can they use the same legislation to de-gas nicola kranke's gob?

 

[telectrix]

just looked at the pic. solar panels on dog kennels. buggers are spoilt rotten these days.

 

[littlespark]

Has anyone actually thought that the reason for global warming is that the Earth is falling into the Sun? Getting closer and closer.

 

[Mike Johnson]

That's the most sensible reason for global warming I'v heard. . The sky is falling, what was that Chickens name? Leghorn of something similar.

 

[freddo]

Lol that was chicken licken wasn't it?

 

[littlespark]

Chicken Little, would you believe.

I know I wrote it in jest, but it is said that the earth is in the “Goldilocks” zone… as in, it’s not too hot, not too cold…. Just right.

So a thousand miles in or out of solar orbit is highly probable…. And that could affect global surface temperature…
We’re just floating through space… and it’s only the speed we’re travelling against gravity of the sun that’s keeping us from either falling toward the sun, or shooting off in a straight line..

 

[SparkyChick]

What the green zealots don't mention is that CO2 levels had been declining for millennia... had they continued unabated, they would have reached the magic level at which there wasn't enough to sustain plant life and the planet would have died. If you go back to the most verdant period of earths history, CO2 was at levels around 6000ppm... we're panicking about them being over 400ppm? Evidence shows the planet is greener now than it was 30 years ago and that this is a result of increasing CO2 levels... this is good for us because more CO2 has a huge impact on plant life... it grows bigger, faster and is more resilient to drought events (all of this information is out there in peer reviewed papers, but hey... it's not the official narrative so it doesn't get air time).

Like wise, temperatures.... in geological terms, the industrial revolution is a heart beat for the planet and yes, there is no doubt we have had a minor impact on temperatures, but in the grand scheme of things, the earth is not at it's hottest. It is at the tail end of an ice age so it's stands to reason that the cycle which has been going on for millennia is continuing and it will continue to get warmer (the reasons for this are mainly due to orbital cycles of various astronomical bodies).

Wild fires... the scientific suggests that the area burned annually is actually decreasing if you look at longer term, likewise for serious weather events... the trend is actually downwards. But that's not the impression you get from the scaremongering media.

Sure, we need to cut back on fossil fuels and retain them for things such as plastics, but from an electricity generating perspective, the sensible course of action would have been to build more nuclear... long term it's the cleanest, safest, most energy dense form
of power generation we have... but again, the green zealots have done a number and scared everyone. In it's history, hydroelectric power has killed more people than nuclear and I think deaths resulting from accidents involving renewables is higher as well.

It's all a big scam and if it continues there is a very real chance it will bankrupt the country.

 

[Mike Johnson]

It is so obvious to anyone with sense that Nuclear was the way forward, but the scare tactics employed by Zealots and dare I say unions, made the choice far too unpopular for any politician to stick their head above the parapet and back building them, I wonder how much it would cost to re-commission Dungeness compared to building new.

 

[UNG]

What the green zealots don't mention is that CO2 levels had been declining for millennia... had they continued unabated, they would have reached the magic level at which there wasn't enough to sustain plant life and the planet would have died. If you go back to the most verdant period of earths history, CO2 was at levels around 6000ppm... we're panicking about them being over 400ppm? Evidence shows the planet is greener now than it was 30 years ago and that this is a result of increasing CO2 levels... this is good for us because more CO2 has a huge impact on plant life... it grows bigger, faster and is more resilient to drought events (all of this information is out there in peer reviewed papers, but hey... it's not the official narrative so it doesn't get air time).

Like wise, temperatures.... in geological terms, the industrial revolution is a heart beat for the planet and yes, there is no doubt we have had a minor impact on temperatures, but in the grand scheme of things, the earth is not at it's hottest. It is at the tail end of an ice age so it's stands to reason that the cycle which has been going on for millennia is continuing and it will continue to get warmer (the reasons for this are mainly due to orbital cycles of various astronomical bodies).

Wild fires... the scientific suggests that the area burned annually is actually decreasing if you look at longer term, likewise for serious weather events... the trend is actually downwards. But that's not the impression you get from the scaremongering media.

Sure, we need to cut back on fossil fuels and retain them for things such as plastics, but from an electricity generating perspective, the sensible course of action would have been to build more nuclear... long term it's the cleanest, safest, most energy dense form
of power generation we have... but again, the green zealots have done a number and scared everyone. In it's history, hydroelectric power has killed more people than nuclear and I think deaths resulting from accidents involving renewables is higher as well.

It's all a big scam and if it continues there is a very real chance it will bankrupt the country.

IMO climate change is all part of a controlling agenda started by an "influencing" minority that belittle those who go against their science that is based on a few hundred years of weather data when the earth has been doing it's own thing for many millions of years and will carry on doing it regardless. I always remember the hole in the Ozone layer was going to cause major problems what happened to that

 

[Vortigern]

Apparently at one point the earth was a ball of fire so, what is this problem of rising temperatures.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

It's all a big scam and if it continues there is a very real chance it will bankrupt the country.

Why do you think it's a scam @SparkyChick ? I'm not saying you're take on the science is right or wrong - I'm not qualified to do so - but if it's deliberate, long term deceit (I think it was still the 80's when I first heard about it), who gains from it?

 

[LukeD]

IMO climate change is all part of a controlling agenda started by an "influencing" minority that belittle those who go against their science that is based on a few hundred years of weather data when the earth has been doing it's own thing for many millions of years and will carry on doing it regardless. I always remember the hole in the Ozone layer was going to cause major problems what happened to that

This 100% ....the amount of people fooled by all the nonsense over the last 3 years is unreal. Its like everyone is desperate to "cling" to something

 

[LukeD]

I think the only way out is to go fully nuclear .Its super safe now and will secure our power supply .

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I always remember the hole in the Ozone layer was going to cause major problems what happened to that

The chemicals causing it were gradually phased out globally, but it still persists apparently

 

[davesparks]

I always remember the hole in the Ozone layer was going to cause major problems what happened to that

We stopped using the gasses which were causing the damage so consequently the hole is very slowly improving.
All being well it should be back to where it was in the late 1970's by the time we reach the 2070's

 

[pc1966]

The chemicals causing it were gradually phased out globally, but it still persists apparently

It is covered in a reasonably readable manner here:

What happened to the world's ozone hole?

Back in the 1990s, the hole in the planet's ozone layer was a pressing global crisis – if we had ignored it, today there would be several.

www.bbc.com

I actually dealt with Dr. Jonathan Shanklin in relation to that area, we built a system for them to gather metrological satellite data from their Rothera base in 1992 as part of this atmospheric science project. After a couple of years it had confirmed the lower resolution data (global data dumps available an hour or so after fly-over) and agreed with their ground-based measurements using a Dobson spectrophotometer. Soon it became useful for them for operational reasons giving weath forecast data for the airstrip and field parties and it is still in operation 30 years on.

Prior to my time, the now-closed group I worked with had taken data from the Nimbus-7 satellite, it had been seen giving stupid results over Antarctica that nobody believed but once the ozone hold had been found the data anomaly made sense.

TL;DR The fairly universal ban on CFCs has greatly reduced the loss and it has been returning.

 

[littlespark]

Do you think there will ever be micro-nuclear plants for individual houses? You just pick up the fuel from specialist shops like you would propane gas cylinders...


There is no way rural Scotland can cope with every new home all electric... The infrastructure isnt there.... even if they do put PV on the roofs.

My particular village, its only our relatively new houses (15 yo) that have mains gas.... The rest are mixed between all electric, propane cylinder, bulk propane or bulk oil tank.

Most farmhouses are oil, with dodgy provision for tractor driven generator and a widowmaker lead.... (ok... not every farmhouse... but i have come across one in my life)

 

[pc1966]

Do you think there will ever be micro-nuclear plants for individual houses? You just pick up the fuel from specialist shops like you would propane gas cylinders...

Could it be done? Yes.
Would it ever be safe and cost-effective? No.

Radioisotope thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pretty Mouth]

It is covered in a reasonably readable manner here:

What happened to the world's ozone hole?

Back in the 1990s, the hole in the planet's ozone layer was a pressing global crisis – if we had ignored it, today there would be several.

www.bbc.com

I actually dealt with Dr. Jonathan Shanklin in relation to that area, we built a system for them to gather metrological satellite data from their Rothera base in 1992 as part of this atmospheric science project. After a couple of years it had confirmed the lower resolution data (global data dumps available an hour or so after fly-over) and agreed with their ground-based measurements using a Dobson spectrophotometer. Soon it became useful for them for operational reasons giving weath forecast data for the airstrip and field parties and it is still in operation 30 years on.

Prior to my time, the now-closed group I worked with had taken data from the Nimbus-7 satellite, it had been seen giving stupid results over Antarctica that nobody believed but once the ozone hold had been found the data anomaly made sense.

TL;DR The fairly universal ban on CFCs has greatly reduced the loss and it has been returning.

I won't pretend I understand it all, but it sounds very cool! And an interesting article too

 

[ferg]

We have two things in abundance in Scotland, Wind and rain.

If only there was a way to generate power from the wind and water we have.

Maybe even come up with some kind of system where the excess generated by wind could be used to move water about that could then be used to generate power on both of our still days per year.

 

[littlespark]

Could it be done? Yes.
Would it ever be safe and cost-effective? No.

Radioisotope thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I dunno..... We could get Lucien to have a look...

I like how 'we' are the problem with global warming.... 'We' have to go electric cars.... 'We' have to sort our recycling..... 'We' have to go vegan.... All to save the planet.......

In the next advert, they tell us to go on holiday on an aeroplane..... Marvel the entrepreneurs sending celebrities and into space......
Applaud the over budget, over time travel infrastructure projects and not think about how much concrete and steel had to be processed to build the damn thing that, in the case of many of them, only any use to a fraction of the population.


Build more hospitals.
Build more reservoirs.
Build flood protection that will actually work.

 

[pc1966]

Nations and society could be much better lead and managed, but democracies get jokers and fools in charge as they promise the electorate what they want to hear and have no intention or ability to deliver it. And dictatorships get much the same but with added secrete police.

Ultimately the problems are all down to energy. If you had vast supplies of clean energy then all of the things we want/need could be delivered without too much damage to the environment, but the industrial revolution and modern life has largelt been funded by cashing in on 100 million years of stored up carbon.

 

[SparkyChick]

Why do you think it's a scam @SparkyChick ? I'm not saying you're take on the science is right or wrong - I'm not qualified to do so - but if it's deliberate, long term deceit (I think it was still the 80's when I first heard about it), who gains from it?

Why do I think it's a scam?

Mostly because public consideration of alternative views is simply not allowed. If you don't parrot the accepted lines you're a denier and people will attempt to discredit or silence you. There is compelling evidence that what we are experiencing is largely due to the natural cycles of the planet... I don't deny we've had an impact, to do so would be foolish at best, but I don't believe the situation is as terminal as it's being painted to be.

For the majority of people, it needs to be seen as an imminent major catastrophe. Anything else and they won't accept the changes that are being foisted on us. As @UNG says, this is another means of controlling us. We've just demonstrated how much we're willing to accept if it's for the greater good over the last couple of years and it's scary how readily people simply stopped doing many of the things we take for granted.

There's a whole bunch of stuff that I'm not going to talk about publicly because to be fair a lot of it makes you sound like a crazy when you say it. I'll probably post in The Arms with a few of the things I'm trying to keep track of.

Who gains?

Financiers and people selling products and services that are seen as climate friendly. Certainly not us, the everyday prole on the street... we stand to loose everything.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I would really like to follow that in the Arms, but.

 

[LukeD]

Why do I think it's a scam?

Mostly because public consideration of alternative views is simply not allowed. If you don't parrot the accepted lines you're a denier and people will attempt to discredit or silence you. There is compelling evidence that what we are experiencing is largely due to the natural cycles of the planet... I don't deny we've had an impact, to do so would be foolish at best, but I don't believe the situation is as terminal as it's being painted to be.

For the majority of people, it needs to be seen as an imminent major catastrophe. Anything else and they won't accept the changes that are being foisted on us. As @UNG says, this is another means of controlling us. We've just demonstrated how much we're willing to accept if it's for the greater good over the last couple of years and it's scary how readily people simply stopped doing many of the things we take for granted.

There's a whole bunch of stuff that I'm not going to talk about publicly because to be fair a lot of it makes you sound like a crazy when you say it. I'll probably post in The Arms with a few of the things I'm trying to keep track of.

Who gains?

Financiers and people selling products and services that are seen as climate friendly. Certainly not us, the everyday prole on the street... we stand to loose everything.

This 100% . Most accept the "narrative" dished out .

 

[nicebutdim]

Mostly because public consideration of alternative views is simply not allowed.

An unfortunate situation with many issues in this day and age. There is no middle ground and you're either right or a conspiracy theorist. I'm not sure when it became unacceptable to ask reasonable questions, but in the past it was very much encouraged of people to question that which they did not fully understand.

 

[LukeD]

An unfortunate situation with many issues in this day and age. There is no middle ground and you're either right or a conspiracy theorist. I'm not sure when it became unacceptable to ask reasonable questions, but in the past it was very much encouraged of people to question that which they did not fully understand.

Same as those that claim 99% of GP's have no more of a clue about covid than clever people who spent hours and hours researching it over the last 2 years

 

[SparkyChick]

An unfortunate situation with many issues in this day and age. There is no middle ground and you're either right or a conspiracy theorist. I'm not sure when it became unacceptable to ask reasonable questions, but in the past it was very much encouraged of people to question that which they did not fully understand.

My feeling is that this change has been a long time coming and it is part of the problem with much of what is wrong with society today. We can no longer engage in reasonable discussion around sensitive topics because as you say, you're either right or you're a racist, xenophobe, sexist, misogynist, conspiracy theorist etc. etc. etc.

I chat a lot with clients and a couple them who have kids have expressed dismay and great concern that their children are no longer open to discussion about certain topics... topics where the kids understanding is significantly skewed towards the narratives presented in the main stream media. When alternative view points are put to them, they are rejected out of hand and the conversation ends. They are, for the most part, totally closed boxes, who's entire outlook on politics and society has been established. They aren't being taught how to think... they are being taught what to think and that is the possibly the biggest issue we face, that and the division that identity politics is causing.

 

[Baddegg]

Theyev

What the green zealots don't mention is that CO2 levels had been declining for millennia... had they continued unabated, they would have reached the magic level at which there wasn't enough to sustain plant life and the planet would have died. If you go back to the most verdant period of earths history, CO2 was at levels around 6000ppm... we're panicking about them being over 400ppm? Evidence shows the planet is greener now than it was 30 years ago and that this is a result of increasing CO2 levels... this is good for us because more CO2 has a huge impact on plant life... it grows bigger, faster and is more resilient to drought events (all of this information is out there in peer reviewed papers, but hey... it's not the official narrative so it doesn't get air time).

Like wise, temperatures.... in geological terms, the industrial revolution is a heart beat for the planet and yes, there is no doubt we have had a minor impact on temperatures, but in the grand scheme of things, the earth is not at it's hottest. It is at the tail end of an ice age so it's stands to reason that the cycle which has been going on for millennia is continuing and it will continue to get warmer (the reasons for this are mainly due to orbital cycles of various astronomical bodies).

Wild fires... the scientific suggests that the area burned annually is actually decreasing if you look at longer term, likewise for serious weather events... the trend is actually downwards. But that's not the impression you get from the scaremongering media.

Sure, we need to cut back on fossil fuels and retain them for things such as plastics, but from an electricity generating perspective, the sensible course of action would have been to build more nuclear... long term it's the cleanest, safest, most energy dense form
of power generation we have... but again, the green zealots have done a number and scared everyone. In it's history, hydroelectric power has killed more people than nuclear and I think deaths resulting from accidents involving renewables is higher as well.

It's all a big scam and if it continues there is a very real chance it will bankrupt the country.

they’ve built an industry around it and won’t stop now….

 

[SparkyChick]

Theyev

they’ve built an industry around it and won’t stop now….

Agreed, there are a lot of grifters in a lot of different lines of work these days... race relations, feminism, the gender thing... what ever would they do if we all just got along... which we could quite easily if instead of focusing on our differences we focused on what we have in common.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Poignant from 4:20

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

What the green zealots don't mention is that CO2 levels had been declining for millennia... had they continued unabated, they would have reached the magic level at which there wasn't enough to sustain plant life and the planet would have died. If you go back to the most verdant period of earths history, CO2 was at levels around 6000ppm... we're panicking about them being over 400ppm? Evidence shows the planet is greener now than it was 30 years ago and that this is a result of increasing CO2 levels... this is good for us because more CO2 has a huge impact on plant life... it grows bigger, faster and is more resilient to drought events (all of this information is out there in peer reviewed papers, but hey... it's not the official narrative so it doesn't get air time).

Like wise, temperatures.... in geological terms, the industrial revolution is a heart beat for the planet and yes, there is no doubt we have had a minor impact on temperatures, but in the grand scheme of things, the earth is not at it's hottest. It is at the tail end of an ice age so it's stands to reason that the cycle which has been going on for millennia is continuing and it will continue to get warmer (the reasons for this are mainly due to orbital cycles of various astronomical bodies).

Wild fires... the scientific suggests that the area burned annually is actually decreasing if you look at longer term, likewise for serious weather events... the trend is actually downwards. But that's not the impression you get from the scaremongering media.

Sure, we need to cut back on fossil fuels and retain them for things such as plastics, but from an electricity generating perspective, the sensible course of action would have been to build more nuclear... long term it's the cleanest, safest, most energy dense form
of power generation we have... but again, the green zealots have done a number and scared everyone. In it's history, hydroelectric power has killed more people than nuclear and I think deaths resulting from accidents involving renewables is higher as well.

It's all a big scam and if it continues there is a very real chance it will bankrupt the country.

I vote sparkychick for PM

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I think SC is spot on, the green agenda is a good thing for me though as im heavily into renewables and ev.
It amazes me that people spend 8-10k on battery storage to save a several hundred a year in electric!
Sold a 10kwh ac coupled system to a guy this week so he can charge using off peak electric rates at 7.5p per kwh and then during day avoid importing from grid. His pay back period assuming prices stay same is nearly 8 years. I was honest and said i dont think its worth the outlay but he says he feels like he has to set an example to his granddaughters and help protect the environment!!! Its like a cult where all reason is lost.
At the end of the day if folks want this kit i am happy to install it and make the money.
Lithium ion batteriy production isnt very green either!

 

[nicebutdim]

I think SC is spot on, the green agenda is a good thing for me though as im heavily into renewables and ev.
It amazes me that people spend 8-10k on battery storage to save a several hundred a year in electric!
Sold a 10kwh ac coupled system to a guy this week so he can charge using off peak electric rates at 7.5p per kwh and then during day avoid importing from grid. His pay back period assuming prices stay same is nearly 8 years. I was honest and said i dont think its worth the outlay but he says he feels like he has to set an example to his granddaughters and help protect the environment!!! Its like a cult where all reason is lost.
At the end of the day if folks want this kit i am happy to install it and make the money.
Lithium ion batteriy production isnt very green either!

Nothing helps protect the environment like huge increases in the mining of lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese, tantalum, magnesium, vanadium....

 

[Mike Johnson]

Or mining coal for power stations in China to enable production of Solar panels.

Unfortunately we are going to keep our coal fired power stations longer due to the oil shortage and Germany is opening its coal plants, understandable I suppose.

 

[mattg4321]

 

[GBDamo]

Why do you think it's a scam @SparkyChick ? I'm not saying you're take on the science is right or wrong - I'm not qualified to do so - but if it's deliberate, long term deceit (I think it was still the 80's when I first heard about it), who gains from it?

My belief is we are heading towards a global resource shortage.

There is no possibility of the global economy supporting India and China living the resource intensive lifestyles enjoyed in the West.

Much of the nonsense we see is about culture change, getting the west to accept living with less so that what little is left goes that little bit further, just wait until your social credit score dictates how long you can have the heating on.

Climate Change is a scam, the only true believers are those in the "climate industry" and those who have no aptitude for critical thinking.

Going Nuclear is a no-brainer as is banning shipping plastic crap halfway round the world just to entertain kids for a day before being 'recycled' by being put back on a boat to China for incineration.

 

[nicebutdim]