Strange RCD Fault

[Geordie Spark]

I am reading posts, you have said in what I quoted earlier you are going to check end yo end continuity on Monday.

charging for the job or not this is getting silly now, Benny Hill springs to mind with this job.

I was thinking more like: "well thats another fine mess you got me into" - YouTube

 

[dazza1981]

It crossed my mind and I tested one suspect socket but all was good.


I guess I should add, amidst trying to solve this mystery fault Im also trying to deal with the daily running of my business.

Taking around 20 calls per day, replying to around 30 texts, responding to around 15 emails, Keeping employees in check and constantly thinking other jobs through makes it hard to devote my full attention to the fault for any length of time. Im quite confident, but its quite possible Ive missed something silly during testing....so double checks this week.

Not to mention, Im visiting 2/3 customers after hours to quote, followed by a few hours paperwork before bed.

Im sure there are plenty posters in this thread with successful businesses but Im also quite positive there are many whom will not appreciate how it is to manage a business , nor never will.

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Hi mate
You seem more intent in telling us how your business is booming then actually starting from scratch and carrying out all the methodical tests required to trace this fault.
Im not for one minute saying its a piece of cake to find and i have gone round in circles many times tracing out faults but i personally could not leave the premises until i found it that same day just because it would bug the hell out of me.
I would actually say your business could soon be pretty floored if you cant handle a electrical fault on one premises!!!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Thats the point pal, Im pretty confident that 1k will stay firmly in my pocket....and yes I am loaded

I am also a man of my word, I will pay that primarily as I don't have the time for it now and secondly because I know the CAUSE of this fault won't be found in a day.

Anyway, I have 8 quotes to do today, 2 vans and a car to wash, a nasty cold AND a hangover,this thread is distracting me. If anyone has anything constructive then please post

You certainly are !!!

 

[Badged01]

.... don't forget to add the cost of TESTING to your 8 quotes.

Oooooh, you b*tch

Cant find the video but insert 'catch scratch fever' here!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Oooooh, you b*tch

Cant find the video but insert 'catch scratch fever' here!

I'm nice when you get to know me.

 

[lockhes]

Wow what a great thread

 

[R G]

When it comes to getting paid for this job , I would take Alan Pardew with you , just to sort any problems out with the customer , gentle persuasion is a good thing ….lol,,,

 

[dazza1981]

When it comes to getting paid for this job , I would take Alan Pardew with you , just to sort any problems out with the customer , gentle persuasion is a good thing ….lol,,,

:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Wow what a great thread

Thread??

It started as a thread, grew into string, then cord and then developed into rope. Just now it's like a ship's hawser and still growing!

 

[GMES]

Thats the point pal, Im pretty confident that 1k will stay firmly in my pocket....and yes I am loaded

I am also a man of my word, I will pay that primarily as I don't have the time for it now and secondly because I know the CAUSE of this fault won't be found in a day.

Anyway, I have 8 quotes to do today, 2 vans and a car to wash, a nasty cold AND a hangover,this thread is distracting me. If anyone has anything constructive then please post

JRC this is not a dig but instead of doing the above maybe you should be at the customers with your test gear, you say that you cant devote too much time to this fault due to your busy schedule, but sometimes you have to switch your phone off and deal with the customer and their problem until it is resolved. A business can take years to build but can be destroyed in no time at all / remember you are sometimes only remembered for your last mistake. I get the impression from nearly all your post's that you are trying to do too much to fast, slow down and take care of the customers that you have 1st before you chase after new ones.

 

[R G]

Thread??

It started as a thread, grew into string, then cord and then developed into rope. Just now it's like a ship's hawser and still growing!

I saw a classic clip on you tube maybe you know where it is Geordie , where Oz decks Big Baz , classic that one ,,,lol

 

[Corpy76]

Seems like a big insulation for one RCD even if it just covered half the circuits! Have you thought about RCBO's? Sorry if I'm repeating any one the thread is 13 pages long so I haven't read it all.

 

[jimmymac]

Seems like a big insulation for one RCD even if it just covered half the circuits! Have you thought about RCBO's? Sorry if I'm repeating any one the thread is 13 pages long so I haven't read it all.

I have, it was exhilarating

 

[GMES]

Seems like a big insulation for one RCD even if it just covered half the circuits! Have you thought about RCBO's? Sorry if I'm repeating any one the thread is 13 pages long so I haven't read it all.

HA HA HA classic , sorry Corpy but if you had read all the thread you would know why that as just given me a proper belly laugh

 

[Corpy76]

HA HA HA classic , sorry Corpy but if you had read all the thread you would know why that as just given me a proper belly laugh

Best do some reading

 

[R G]

You could make a tv series out of this , better than corry this , any more RCD faults in the pipeline ,,stay tuned ,,,

 

[Geordie Spark]

I saw a classic clip on you tube maybe you know where it is Geordie , where Oz decks Big Baz , classic that one ,,,lol

Oh yes!!!

That was just a typical Geordie "misunderstanding".

 

[Engineer54]

Excellent, 1k is on the table pal....

I can't believe how people are confident in finding this without even seeing the installation! Either very naive or incredibly fast while incredibly superhuman.

Ill stand by this, I could really be doing without this hassle Ive inherited as I have a ton of work kicking off. If any spark wants to solve this ( in one day ) and can provide an invoice. Ill pay 1k...

Takers ?

I can think of quite a few electricians here on this forum (including myself) that could and would be able to find the cause of your tripping RCD problem, and it wouldn't take them a whole day to do so either. No they are not ''superhuman'', and it's not rocket science either, it's just a matter of knowing what they are doing and why. There is nothing out there, that can take the place of experience. That experience combined with methodical intelligent fault finding, will ALWAYS lead to the fault being found, ...or at least to a localised location where access is severely limited!!

For someone that claims to conduct as many rewires and the like as yourself, how the hell have you got by without a leakage clamp in your test kit...

May i suggest this model from our forum sponsor, that has specifications equal too or better than other leakage clamp meters available at much higher costs. You'll also get a 5% discount from our sponsor too!!

http://www.test-meter.co.uk/tm-el9809-earth-leakage-clamp-meter/

 

[dazza1981]

So it wasnt the leaf flapping about that was causing the rcd to trip out then???
Thats normally first thing i check is the flapping leaf.
When customer says to me i have a fault the first thing i ask is have you plugged in a flapping leaf lately or got one blowing about in your consumer unit???

 

[Guest569]

JRC this is not a dig but instead of doing the above maybe you should be at the customers with your test gear, you say that you cant devote too much time to this fault due to your busy schedule, but sometimes you have to switch your phone off and deal with the customer and their problem until it is resolved. A business can take years to build but can be destroyed in no time at all / remember you are sometimes only remembered for your last mistake. I get the impression from nearly all your post's that you are trying to do too much to fast, slow down and take care of the customers that you have 1st before you chase after new ones.

I appreciate your advice, People say Im going to fast but in all honesty Im not here to "make a living" from a relatively successful electrical contracting company. Im aiming much much higher. Im not going to get there by taking one customer at a time.

Anyway Ive instructed Mods to close my account. To many threads on here wrongly portrait the OP as incompetent, not just mines. Ill no doubt start another account but certainly not with my company name on it ! lesson learned !

 

[Geordie Spark]

I appreciate your advice, People say Im going to fast but in all honesty Im not here to "make a living" from a relatively successful electrical contracting company. Im aiming much much higher. Im not going to get there by taking one customer at a time.

Anyway Ive instructed Mods to close my account. To many threads on here wrongly portrait the OP as incompetent, not just mines. Ill no doubt start another account but certainly not with my company name on it ! lesson learned !

Very wise.

The public display here of your ineptitude, incompetence and pure bullshine cannot be a very good advertisement for your business.

 

[telectrix]

i sincerely hope you're going to stick around long enough tolet us know what the fault is. assuming you find it before xmas.

 

[Geordie Spark]

i sincerely hope you're going to stick around long enough tolet us know what the fault is. assuming you find it before xmas.

It will be found long before Easter Tel. He's getting Wor Trev to find and fix it for the modest sum of £1k and as much Broon as he can drink.

 

[GMES]

i sincerely hope you're going to stick around long enough tolet us know what the fault is. assuming you find it before xmas.

No need to worry Tel, Trev is packing is tester in to the van as we speak and will be back on forum by teatime to tell us what it was

Bloody Geordie fast fingers

 

[R G]

Ohhh No , just when the series was getting interesting , means all these guys will have to start looking round , maybe you could start another one ASAP , the lads are all looking forward to it ,,,,,,

 

[Guest569]

I can think of quite a few electricians here on this forum (including myself) that could and would be able to find the cause of your tripping RCD problem, and it wouldn't take them a whole day to do so either. No they are not ''superhuman'', and it's not rocket science either, it's just a matter of knowing what they are doing and why. There is nothing out there, that can take the place of experience. That experience combined with methodical intelligent fault finding, will ALWAYS lead to the fault being found, ...or at least to a localised location where access is severely limited!!

For someone that claims to conduct as many rewires and the like as yourself, how the hell have you got by without a leakage clamp in your test kit...

May i suggest this model from our forum sponsor, that has specifications equal too or better than other leakage clamp meters available at much higher costs. You'll also get a 5% discount from our sponsor too!!

TM-EL9809 High Resolution AC Earth Leakage Clamp Meter

I have isolated the fault to an area of a room but there is no access at all !

I know there is always a logical explanation for faults but given the size of the property and how unorganised it is its completely unrealistic for anyone to suggest they would find it in a day,without seeing it as they have been claiming!


Earth leakage meter is not something Ive needed before, our installs are almost all brand new and tested accordingly

As mentioned before i wouldn't normally delve into fault finding this much but I've kind of inherited this problem.

 

[Badged01]

The public display here of your ineptitude, incompetence and pure bullshine here cannot be a very good advertisement for your business.

Does that mean you won't be recommending him for contract work in Newcastle .... a good expansion area from Glasgow!

 

[MDJ]

JRC might try to silence trev by giving him 1500 to keep quiet when trev finds a neutral to earth fault where a 3.5mm2 screw is touching a neutral in a socket outlet lol.

 

[Badged01]

It will be found long before Easter Tel. He's getting Wor Trev to find and fix it for the modest sum of £1k and as much Broon as he can drink.

Now Im worried, if he gets into the Newcastle Brown before he gets the test meter out it could be a long day ......

 

[GMES]

I appreciate your advice, People say Im going to fast but in all honesty Im not here to "make a living" from a relatively successful electrical contracting company. Im aiming much much higher. Im not going to get there by taking one customer at a time.

Anyway Ive instructed Mods to close my account. To many threads on here wrongly portrait the OP as incompetent, not just mines. Ill no doubt start another account but certainly not with my company name on it ! lesson learned !

so do we need to look out for a crj or rjc property coming to the forum soon

 

[Guest569]

JRC might try to silence trev by giving him 1500 to keep quiet when trev finds a neutral to earth fault where a 3.5mm2 screw is touching a neutral in a socket outlet lol.

Yeah ....lol......not.

I would love nothing more than a smart arse from here scratching their head at this one !


Anyway .....guess you will never know


Bye.

 

[Octopus]

I appreciate your advice, People say Im going to fast but in all honesty Im not here to "make a living" from a relatively successful electrical contracting company. Im aiming much much higher. Im not going to get there by taking one customer at a time.

Anyway Ive instructed Mods to close my account. To many threads on here wrongly portrait the OP as incompetent, not just mines. Ill no doubt start another account but certainly not with my company name on it ! lesson learned !

Which JUST GOES TO SHOW that you are not actually reading the replies properly. Many, many pages ago I included a note saying that the mods could change your "name" so ask them to do that.

If you do start again under a new name, I reckon you'll be fairly easy to identify due to the way you write your threads!

 

[Badged01]

No don't go yet! You can't just give us all this foreplay then deprive us of the climax ........

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yeah ....lol......not.

I would love nothing more than a smart arse from here scratching their head at this one !


Anyway .....guess you will never know



Bye.

I have the feeling that you won't either bonny lad.

 

[micknew]

Does that mean Trev's not to get the £1000?

 

[GMES]

Come on now lads I think he as taken enough please LEAF him alone now

 

[dazza1981]

It will be a reLEAF once he finds this fault thats for sure

 

[R G]

This thread has now had nearly 5000 views , would you believe , seems like most could be in the north / Glasgow area , bloody hell ...

 

[Geordie Spark]

Does that mean Trev's not to get the £1000?

It's much worse than that ........ he's not getting the Broon Ale either and yet another man of his word (the money's on the table) slinks away with his tail between his legs like a politician.

 

[Engineer54]

I appreciate your advice, People say Im going to fast but in all honesty Im not here to "make a living" from a relatively successful electrical contracting company. Im aiming much much higher. Im not going to get there by taking one customer at a time.

I think others have already warned you about aiming too high too fast, it doesn't seem to have registered with you too well though!! Just remember the bigger you get, the further you can fall... And that can be a very long way indeed!!

Not forgetting, that being around is essential to eventually enjoying the fruits of your rush to the top. I've seen plenty of high flyers just drop dead, due stress induced heart attacks, strokes and complete mental breakdowns!!. I'll not tell you to pace yourself because like those above you won't listen, you'll still go full steam ahead thinking ''it won't happen to me''!!

 

[GMES]

This thread has now had nearly 5000 views , would you believe , seems like most could be in the north / Glasgow area , bloody hell ...

Look Jamie you are famous some us can only dream of reaching such hypnotic heights, please don't LEAF

 

[Octopus]

I'm surprised that glasgowspark hasn't rushed to claim the £1K!!!!!!!!!!1 lol

 

[Badged01]

..... Just remember the bigger you get, the further you can fall... And that can be a very long way indeed!!

..... or the higher the monkey climbs the tree the more of its ar$e you can see!

 

[R G]

I'm surprised that glasgowspark hasn't rushed to claim the £1K!!!!!!!!!!1 lol

Hope theres no contactor in there ..

 

[Engineer54]

I have isolated the fault to an area of a room but there is no access at all !

I know there is always a logical explanation for faults but given the size of the property and how unorganised it is its completely unrealistic for anyone to suggest they would find it in a day,without seeing it as they have been claiming!


Earth leakage meter is not something Ive needed before, our installs are almost all brand new and tested accordingly

As mentioned before i wouldn't normally delve into fault finding this much but I've kind of inherited this problem.

It's ''NOT'' completely unrealistic to find a RCD fault within a day, an experienced electrician used to fault finding, would have little to no problem tracing out the cause of that fault in a domestic setting.

That last paragraph above, should be telling you WHY an experienced electrician will find the fault, while you will have trouble finding the fault!!!

RCD's are here to stay, no matter what type of installs you normally do or don't do. A leakage clamp tester should now be seen as an essential part of any electricians test kit. MFT RCD testing, is fine for new RCD breakers, but when it comes to fault finding Nope!! Ramp testing with a MFT can only give you very limited information, whereas a leakage clamp can lead you directly to the source of a leakage problem....

 

[GMES]

I can just picture Trev caning it up to Glasgow in a mucky yellow robin reliant with $$$ signs in his eyes singing fog on the tyne.

 

[Marvo]

Closed

 

[Dan]

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[Dan]

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