commisioning fire alarm

[Sb8389]

When you say fire alarm system do you actually mean a 2 wire fire panel and the whole shebang? Or do you mean Aico wired in system?

2 wire panel grade A to communal area and heat in each flat

 

[Sb8389]

From your replies I will just get it commissioned by the company who designed the install. What is the rough cost of CAD drawings to be made up of the design as I’m guessing this is also a requirement or is it not.

 

[Diver233]

EU would normally do that bit as part of the design

 

[westward10]

So heat detection in the lobby to the flat is connected to the system in the communal areas?

 

[Sb8389]

EU would normally do that bit as part of the design

When I got them out to design the system that’s what I thought I may get but I only got an itemised list of what’s required, so wasn’t sure if they would charge me additional charge on top

 

[Sb8389]

So heat detection in the lobby to the flat is connected to the system in the communal areas?

Yes that’s what both the council and EU have designed

 

[Darkwood]

I tend to have self contained in flats with heat detection on community in flat by door, you really need both regs and if you join BSI and pay the yearly membership most of the regs are half price, I joined and save about 800 quid when I updated just 4x regulations

 

[The Ghost]

Thinking about it I am surprised no detection in the system in the kitchen. I have the idea that now you should have a dual detector for heat and Carbon Monoxide no?

 

[Sb8389]

Thinking about it I am surprised no detection in the system in the kitchen. I have the idea that now you should have a dual detector for heat and Carbon Monoxide no?

I do find it strange aswell, but all the council stated was they want grade D Ld3 to each flat (non interlinked), that’s exactly what they put, I haven’t installed this yet and to be honest I’m not sure what to install and where to be honest, don’t want to go over the odds if they dont feels its required but on the other hand don’t want to leave myself open either, the reason I’m keen on doing least amount possible in the flats is one of the tenants is a heroin addict and is treating his kitchen like a crack den (so least amount of time spent in there the better)

 

[westward10]

On that note I would not even be crossing the threshold.

 

[Sb8389]

On that note I would not even be crossing the threshold.

A couple of pictures I took today off what I’m dealing with.

 

[westward10]

Walk away. We used to do a lot of social housing and any sign of drug use we about turned and walked out.

 

[DPG]

No amount of money would get me through that door. The risks are very high, and I would advise caution if you do decide to go ahead with it.

 

[The Ghost]

Do not enter that place again. Really! It is not just the immediate danger of needles and attendant worries you also have to consider the possibility of real trouble breaking out there from other sources and you could be in the middle of it. I know you may need the money but it is really not worth it. I know exactly what I am talking about and I can assure you you are in more danger than perhaps you realise. Sorry to be so pointed but there it is.

 

[DPG]

As Vort says, there could be all sorts of problems from other users, dealers, etc.

 

[Darkwood]

Looking at the pictures you need a full system 2 stage set up where you have communal 'bed head sounders' in most rooms from the main panel, linked alert to a response unit (auto call out to fire brigade) .. unless station is close enough to negate a auto dial... the regs do state that full interaction is needed with building control and fire services and a mutual agreed system fitted.

 

[Sb8389]

Looking at the pictures you need a full system 2 stage set up where you have communal 'bed head sounders' in most rooms from the main panel, linked alert to a response unit (auto call out to fire brigade) .. unless station is close enough to negate a auto dial... the regs do state that full interaction is needed with building control and fire services and a mutual agreed system fitted.

Really!!! Is that something that the designer should be picking up, none of this was mentioned by the council or the designer. Are you basing this on the risk assessed with the way the tenants live.

 

[Darkwood]

Really!!! Is that something that the designer should be picking up, none of this was mentioned by the council or the designer. Are you basing this on the risk assessed with the way the tenants live.

Your expected tenants can have a massive impact on design both cost and level of cover, this is all clearly set out in the standards, I just done a series of flats for ex addicts, crims etc and had to do a system that accounted for their condition, it added about 4k to the job but my arse is covered.. most people think there insurance will be a fall back but that will not help if they haven't followed the standards nor agreed with the local fire service and building control.. for the insurance firms any slight deviation from the regulations will void cover unless all parties agree on the design.

 

[Sb8389]

Your expected tenants can have a massive impact on design both cost and level of cover, this is all clearly set out in the standards, I just done a series of flats for ex addicts, crims etc and had to do a system that accounted for their condition, it added about 4k to the job but my arse is covered.. most people think there insurance will be a fall back but that will not help if they haven't followed the standards nor agreed with the local fire service and building control.. for the insurance firms any slight deviation from the regulations will void cover unless all parties agree on the design.

Oh great!!! Got me panicking now as I quoted based on the council and the designers requests of what’s required (now the system is already installed) I’m now thinking I’ve either underquoted if it requires a lot More work or I leave it and left myself open should anything happen. Would I not be covered based on paperwork from the council stating there requirements and the designer commissioning the system

 

[Darkwood]

I will add that everything on designed systems for multiple occupancy has to have a paper trail, even a confirmation from the system suppliers of the cat' level of your project and that the system they supplied meets that level, the idea you can go to the local wholesalers and order a load of gear and pay for is ignorant to the requirements... if the worst happens one needs to have a solid trial to show everything was designed and agreed and supplied correctly.