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Think cct was shorthand for Circuit a bit confusing ...more txt speak than abbreviation.whats cct
the RCD wills ee an earth path if you get hold of a line conductor or there is another earth path.
The way i see it is on the same theme as murdoch, if you are making alteration or additions to the circuit then your required to ensure the circuit is safe, this does not imply that you have to run an earth or rewire it, if you can confirm all fitting and switches are double insulated and dont require earthing then you can do the additions to the circuit. With exception of as mentioned before the bathroom as it has its own 'special' location reg's.
As part of the job the appropriate warning lables need to be fitted by or on the consumer unit addressing the lack of earth in the lighting. This way you havent left the lighting unsafe, the next engineer will have warning and the owner will have been told of the situe, having been such a nice sparkie when they muster some spare cash you may get the job yourself.
You cant do work that say a customer cant clearly afford, whether you refuse to do it or do it isnt going to alter the financial state of the owner, you are not leaving the installation in a dangerous state if you at minimum make sure its all class 2 rated fixtures and fittings and do the basic circuit tests that you can, ive had it on good authority from electrical clark of works that if you work on a circuit you do not need to bring it to regulation if the circuit was deemed in good working order and funtional and safe, if for instance you found a shiny brass switch in the living room on this circuit then yes you must rectify this as it is a area of concern if they cant afford even these simple things then the best suggestion would be to walk or suggest rather than spend money on fitting the new lights that they firstly do the basics to have a safer lighting circuit. Plastic drops and switch should be too expensive anyway.and then the next engineer, then the next then the next, where does it end?
Yep tel....sorry guys...me bein dizzy in`t head again...lol......:lipsrsealed2:the RCD wills ee an earth path if you get hold of a line conductor or there is another earth path.
i've always used cct. as an abbreviation for circuit, years before texting was even thought of. we all use PIR for periodic inspection report and passive infra red. now that can be confusing.Think cct was shorthand for Circuit a bit confusing ...more txt speak than abbreviation.
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I think the idea of getting an earth would mean running it from MET which if the case you might as well run in seperate T&E from dist' board he originally asked his question because i assume this isnt an viable option or affordable but yes agree, i had same situe recently and ran new lighting circuit to kitchen and disregarded the existing with no earth just making the customer aware of the safety issues.I dont see the problem really, stick in a cpc regardless. Because A: anything happens or they want something changing most of the time you will be first one back. B: i know guys on here will follow the regs by the book but regs do change and chances are at some point it will be necessary anyway. C: i hate following up jobs where bad sparks over the years will just leave the odd thing here and there and we end up with all the bad habits of past sparkys to sort out. just do it now tell the customer that you strongly recommend it.
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