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Doug81

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Hi, I'm currently in the process of changing all my switches and sockets and I'm coming across a few problems, like no earth wire for any of the light fittings. Similarly no earth for some of the upstairs plug sockets but the worst yet is the socket in the hallway (right by the fuse box). It has both new (blue,brown,yellow/green) and old (red,black) wires looped together -not a big issue I hear you say....well it is when the old wiring is live even when the fuse box is switched off!!! How do I go about making it safe???IMG-20190202-WA0002.jpg
 

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Are you trying to tell us that the cables in that photo are live? If you are not a competent electrician you really need to get one quickly!
 

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The red and black there is still live when the fuse board is turned off?
You have a serious problem.

How did you test that? Sore fingers?

Can you post a photo of your meter and fuseboard set up. There might be a clue as to what is wrong.

Can you safely protect those live cables from accidental touching?

How did a socket fit on that box with all that plaster taking up the top right corner?

Anyone in Nottingham up for a late night Saturday night callout?
 
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On a side note, the lack of CPC (earth wire) is worrying on the sockets.
Not so much on the lighting as it was common in older days to not include a cpc in the cables.
It just means you shouldn't use metal switches on a circuit without a cpc
 
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Doug81

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The red and black there is still live when the fuse board is turned off?
You have a serious problem.

How did you test that? Sore fingers?

Can you post a photo of your meter and fuseboard set up. There might be a clue as to what is wrong.

Can you safely protect those live cables from accidental touching?

How did a socket fit on that box with all that plaster taking up the top right corner?

Anyone in Nottingham up for a late night Saturday night callout?
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Find out where it is fed from and turn it off


Turn off the whole house if you have to.


Don't let anyone near that.
 

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Needs better picture than that Doug - we cant even see the labelling. Which mcb are you switching off when you are as none are off now. Puzzling!
 
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Doug - Are you saying that the red stranded cables are live with the main switch on the far left turned off ? If so I suspect some dodgy goings on within the CU where some idiot may have bodged in a way of bypassing, god knows why though.
 
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Or if you're saying no single MCB isolates the point it's probably cross-connected circuits across two devices, DIY is all well and good but I strongly recommend you get a decent electrician in - urgently. But why on earth did you remove the socket without isolating first ??!!
 
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Doug81

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Needs better picture than that Doug - we cant even see the labelling. Which mcb are you switching off when you are as none are off now. Puzzling!
It's all back on now but I switched the main red one off on the left. What do you need to see in the pic?
 
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Doug81

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Doug - Are you saying that the red stranded cables are live with the main switch on the far left turned off ? If so I suspect some dodgy goings on within the CU where some idiot may have bodged in a way of bypassing, god knows why though.
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying!! Any way of switching it off??
 
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Doug81

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Or if you're saying no single MCB isolates the point it's probably cross-connected circuits across two devices, DIY is all well and good but I strongly recommend you get a decent electrician in - urgently. But why on earth did you remove the socket without isolating first ??!!
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Doug81

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Got 2 plugs side by side, isolated and tested the left hand side one, replaced it then started on the right only to find it was still live.
 
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Doug81

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Got 2 plugs side by side, isolated and tested the left hand side one, replaced it then started on the right only to find it was still live.
 

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So are you saying you had the main switch (the big red one on the left) switched off yet those wires were still live?
There was never a socket fitted to that backbone, there's too much plaster, there's only one (new) cross head screw holding the back box to the wall also.
The red and black cables look like the outer insulation doesn't enter the back box (which also looks too shiny to be any thing other than new.

What's the large black box on it's side under the meter, is that grey T&E with white tape connected to it?

I suspect we're not getting the full story here.
 

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What type of testers are you using ? Have you considered that you may be getting ghost voltage ?. If you do not know about ghost voltage ? Google it.
 
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The picture of the CU, looks like everything is switched on.
 

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That bell wire is a sight to behold......... as well as the vertically installed sockets...........
 

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So many unanswered questions! I wonder if I go to bed I’ll dream of the answers -
I hope not!
 
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Doug81

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So are you saying you had the main switch (the big red one on the left) switched off yet those wires were still live?
There was never a socket fitted to that backbone, there's too much plaster, there's only one (new) cross head screw holding the back box to the wall also.
The red and black cables look like the outer insulation doesn't enter the back box (which also looks too shiny to be any thing other than new.

What's the large black box on it's side under the meter, is that grey T&E with white tape connected to it?

I suspect we're not getting the full story here.
The walls were skimmed
So are you saying you had the main switch (the big red one on the left) switched off yet those wires were still live?
There was never a socket fitted to that backbone, there's too much plaster, there's only one (new) cross head screw holding the back box to the wall also.
The red and black cables look like the outer insulation doesn't enter the back box (which also looks too shiny to be any thing other than new.

What's the large black box on it's side under the meter, is that grey T&E with white tape connected to it?

I suspect we're not getting the full story here.
The walls were recently skimmed with the socket fronts unscrewed from the wall, that's why there is excess plaster in the corners. See close up pics....hope this explains more??20190203_090523.jpg 20190203_090542.jpg 20190203_090547.jpg 20190203_090619.jpg
 
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Doug81

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It's all back on now but I switched the main red one off on the left. What do you need to see in the pic?
The red and black there is still live when the fuse board is turned off?
You have a serious problem.

How did you test that? Sore fingers?

Can you post a photo of your meter and fuseboard set up. There might be a clue as to what is wrong.

Can you safely protect those live cables from accidental touching?

How did a socket fit on that box with all that plaster taking up the top right corner?

Anyone in Nottingham up for a late night Saturday night callout?
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The box under the meter may be a bell transormer that could (if the labelling is correct) be connected to the MCB that is taped off.

If, with the main red switch in the off position, the cables coming out of the wall are still live, then you should seek the services of a competent local electrician immediately.
 
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