Kitchen Unit Lights to LightSwitch - Help Appreciated

[Colin33]

I too would be very uncomfortable with the idea of introducing a live conductor from the ring circuit into a light switch box. (not least because a 30A protected circuit would be running trough a 10A rated switch) But, isn't it the case where often there are two separate lighting circuits in the same switch box? Take a two way landing light for example, where the supply comes from the 'downstairs' lighting circuit and is present in the upstairs switch box. Also present in that upstairs switch box maybe a a supply from the 'upstairs' lighting circuit which is switching extra landing wall lights for example. Is this against the rules, just bad practice, or perfectly acceptable??

 

[Colin33]

Hi Colin 33, I gave my disagree label, solely because it is not my policy to yell amateurs and DIYers like the OP step by step instructions, he obviously hadn't a clue of the dangers of what he was attempting, as for demonising the OP I consider he demonised himself from the word go, on both posts he posted on the same theme, I hope that goes some way to explain my "disagree"

Have you asked the poster "why the dumb" check on the profile, you may find he knows SFA

No I haven't, but of course I shall reciprocate at some point, because labeling someone dumb because they simply have a difference of opinion can possibly be described as 'dumb'

 

[Octopus]

I would've offered the OP some advice, had the original post not been blocked before I had read it. I read these forums less often than I used to because I'm often almost embarrassed by some of my 'fellow electricians' who relish trying to humiliate diy'ers who are simply after advice which may help them achieve a safer outcome than they would without that advice.

Judging by your profile you hardly ever post, you appear to be a builder doing sparking occassionally and when you do ost you are often asking some fairly basic questions ............ so I wonder what your motivation actually is!

 

[Colin33]

Judging by your profile you hardly ever post, you appear to be a builder doing sparking occassionally and when you do ost you are often asking some fairly basic questions ............ so I wonder what your motivation actually is!

I'm not sure what you mean Murdoch. My motivation for what exactly?? A quick look at your profile reveals that your declared qualifications are 'Part P registered'. Now there was silly me thinking Part P was a building regulation....

 

[Octopus]

I'm not sure what you mean Murdoch. My motivation for what exactly??

You rarely post, yet you criticise others ......................

 

[Colin33]

You rarely post, yet you criticise others ......................

I rarely post, but I do check in and read through quite often. The reason I rarely post is because I don't wish to get in a spat like this over my opinions of how some members treat others who are just asking for help. As it happens, it's holiday time right now so I find myself slightly less stressed and with a little more time on my hands to get involved You've described some of my previous questions as 'fairly basic' unyet I don't recall you being of too much help at the time. Were they were they too basic for you? Tell me more about your Part P qualification...

 

[Octopus]

Matey, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications ........more about the fact you think we should be handing out information to any Tom, Dick or Abdul ............................. which I don't.

On the other hand you are happy to step forward, contribute daily to the DIY thread and give out step by step instructions, instead of earning a living then crack on...

 

[Spoon]

Hi @Colin33 .
It is frowned upon to give out step by step info to questions on this forum, especially when the person comes across as not competent enough to do the work.
I don't see the problem.

 

[Toneyz]

I would rather know Collin33's advice to the OP.

 

[Pete999]

Fight

 

[Spoon]

I'm a lover, not a fighter..

 

[Amp David]

Done this type of job a million times.

Its never involved spurs, rcd sockets or type of stress. The consumer units have always been up to date though

 

[Colin33]

Matey, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications ........more about the fact you think we should be handing out information to any Tom, Dick or Abdul ............................. which I don't.

On the other hand you are happy to step forward, contribute daily to the DIY thread and give out step by step instructions, instead of earning a living then crack on...

Not so long ago a forum member suggested we all stated our qualifications in order to help ascertain our level of knowledge, and structure our responses to questions accordingly. I don't think that's a bad idea, makes sense to me. Murdoch, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications but I'm curious as to why you've not done so, and instead you've jokingly stated that your qualification is 'Part P registered'.Do you not think that listing your qualifications is of any use to anyone then?

 

[Spoon]

Not so long ago a forum member suggested we all stated our qualifications in order to help ascertain our level of knowledge, and structure our responses to questions accordingly. I don't think that's a bad idea, makes sense to me. Murdoch, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications but I'm curious as to why you've not done so, and instead you've jokingly stated that your qualification is 'Part P registered'.Do you not think that listing your qualifications is of any use to anyone then?

I remember that post... As you see I have virtually no info in my profile.... and I have no intention of doing so.

How about answering @anthonybragg post#59.

 

[Pete999]

Not so long ago a forum member suggested we all stated our qualifications in order to help ascertain our level of knowledge, and structure our responses to questions accordingly. I don't think that's a bad idea, makes sense to me. Murdoch, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications but I'm curious as to why you've not done so, and instead you've jokingly stated that your qualification is 'Part P registered'.Do you not think that listing your qualifications is of any use to anyone then?

That might have been me, it's a pet hate when trying to answer questions

 

[ipf]

Just to add a bit of humour....to a thread that's going on a bit

 

[Octopus]

Not so long ago a forum member suggested we all stated our qualifications in order to help ascertain our level of knowledge, and structure our responses to questions accordingly. I don't think that's a bad idea, makes sense to me. Murdoch, I'm not picking a fight over qualifications but I'm curious as to why you've not done so, and instead you've jokingly stated that your qualification is 'Part P registered'.Do you not think that listing your qualifications is of any use to anyone then?

So you are ignoring the point of my post completely.

So go on criticising the people who contribute then ... And not helping DIYers at the same time then.

Remind me again why you are a member?

 

[Andy-1960]

The OP seems to have gone a bit quiet... I hope he’s ok and his wiring has not resulted in an problem!

 

[Spoon]

The OP seems to have gone a bit quiet... I hope he’s ok and his wiring has not resulted in an problem!

What could possibly go wrong.... It's just red to red & black to black...

 

[Pete999]

The OP seems to have gone a bit quiet... I hope he’s ok and his wiring has not resulted in an problem!

I hope he is OK though not so sure about his wiring

 

[Pete999]

What could possibly go wrong.... It's just red to red & black to black...

Get with it Spoon brown to brown, blue to bits

 

[Spoon]

Our job has always been classed as 'easy'. I always remember when a customer was happy with what we did a few of us got invited to go for a visit, in Spain, and they were going to take us all out for a big meal. One of the mechanical lads said "How come he's coming along... all he does is put wires together..." I just looked at him and replied "All you do is bolt metal together..." He was not a happy bunny...

 

[Pete999]

Our job has always been classed as 'easy'. I always remember when a customer was happy with what we did a few of us got invited to go for a visit, in Spain, and they were going to take us all out for a big meal. One of the mechanical lads said "How come he's coming along... all he does is put wires together..." I just looked at him and replied "All you do is bolt metal together..." He was not a happy bunny...

Had an incident on one job, the blokes building the thing, started giving me a hard time about all I did was connect things up. and get in the way, went on for a bit, and I got p8ssed off so dissed the power to their bit of the job, and then stayed out of the way for a few hours, never had any more lip from them, became very good friends with one of the crew, still am to this day.

 

[Spoon]

We are classed as 'the necessary evil'

 

[ipf]

We are classed as 'the necessary evil'

........until something goes ---- up....

 

[Spoon]

........until something goes ---- up....

Of course...
We also nearly always got the blame when things go wrong.. Then when you look into it more some muppet piped up the pneumatics to the wrong solenoids...

 

[ipf]

Of course...
We also nearly always got the blame when things go wrong.. Then when you look into it more some muppet piped up the pneumatics to the wrong solenoids...

Yeh, or, as last year, half a factory is down because a roofer has drilled through a submain supply.
edit ... 'year before last'

 

[Colin33]

So you are ignoring the point of my post completely.

So go on criticising the people who contribute then ... And not helping DIYers at the same time then.

Remind me again why you are a member?

"WE are NOT mind readers ............please include as much information in your posts as possible and PLEASE answer questions"

A tad hypocritical when for some reason you refuse to even list any qualifications you may have?

 

[Colin33]

I remember that post... As you see I have virtually no info in my profile.... and I have no intention of doing so.

How about answering @anthonybragg post#59.

Answering post 59 is hardly going to help OP now, is it. I'm still curious as to why you refuse to display your own qualifications on your profile. Why wouldn't you? Surely by not doing so you run the risk of being taken for an un-qualified keyboard warrior?

 

[Octopus]

So you are ignoring the point of my post completely.

So go on criticising the people who contribute then ... And not helping DIYers at the same time then.

Remind me again why you are a member?

hum ....

 

[buzzlightyear]

Answering post 59 is hardly going to help OP now, is it. I'm still curious as to why you refuse to display your own qualifications on your profile. Why wouldn't you? Surely by not doing so you run the risk of being taken for an un-qualified keyboard warrior?

some people on this forum do not need to put their qualifications to show what they have .
the proof in the pudding on people that know what their are talking about. and people not knowing what their doing who come on this forum .

 

[Des 56]

Speaking as another "unqualified Keyboard warrior"

All I can say about the spat between you pair is one of you has posted opinion and advice over many years that has helped others
The other seems to have used the forum for enquiry and has yet to take part in the giving of practical and technical opinion
(to my knowledge)

 

[buzzlightyear]

his op he is like tick in dogs ear .the dog keeps scratching and the tick is still there .

 

[Spoon]

Answering post 59 is hardly going to help OP now, is it. I'm still curious as to why you refuse to display your own qualifications on your profile. Why wouldn't you? Surely by not doing so you run the risk of being taken for an un-qualified keyboard warrior?

haha.. Are you still bleating on about this mate.. Yes the OP has gone now but I'm sure that advice you gave him was very useful....
If you want to know why I don't put any info on my profile then go through my posts. I have mentioned it in the past.
If people want to think of me as an un-qualified keyboard warrior then that's fine by me mate. Maybe you will learn a bit more about me and the people I help when you read my past posts.
Some people on here know what I do for a living but I don't spout it out..
Thanks for your input in this post.. They have been very interesting.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Colin 33 , may disagree with the post #81 .but you have not got the technical knowledge to attempted such work on your own property .
if so then your insurance will be null and void.
your will house will properly burn down or you might hurt one of your own family .so many people on this forum cant be wrong .

 

[Colin33]

Colin 33 , may disagree with the post #81 .but you have not got the technical knowledge to attempted such work on your own property .
if so then your insurance will be null and void.
your will house will properly burn down or you might hurt one of your own family .so many people on this forum cant be wrong .

It's actually this part that I disagree with: "some people on this forum do not need to put their qualifications to show what they have "

I've yet to be told the reasons why they refuse to state their qualifications, and don't see any reason for someone NOT to state their qualifications. (unless they don't have any of course) As yet, no one has explained to me WHY they refuse to state them.

Also like to point out that an incompetent DIYer is more likely to experience the issues you highlight above if he is NOT helped at all, which is the point I've been trying to make all along!

 

[DPG]

You're worrying too much about who puts their qualification details on. It's a forum - some people fill profiles in better than others, same as with any forum.

People generally get good advice on here, even DIYers providing they ask sensible questions and respond well to advice.

 

[Spoon]

It's actually this part that I disagree with: "some people on this forum do not need to put their qualifications to show what they have "

I've yet to be told the reasons why they refuse to state their qualifications, and don't see any reason for someone NOT to state their qualifications. (unless they don't have any of course) As yet, no one has explained to me WHY they refuse to state them.

Hi mate. I've told you how to find out why I don't put info in my profile. It's up to you if you can be bothered to find it.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Also like to point out that an incompetent DIYer is more likely to experience the issues you highlight above if he is NOT helped at all, which is the point I've been trying to make all along!

Collin33 ,their are many DIYers come on this forum to get help. and some people except any members pointers to DIYers like you self . like my self when I ask question many members will give a answer .
many members give their advice for free . any DIYer decides to do a job themselves then their are playing with danger .

 

[Colin33]

Hi mate. I've told you how to find out why I don't put info in my profile. It's up to you if you can be bothered to find it.

Sorry mate, I'm not gonna look through thousands of posts just to find out why you don't spend a couple of minutes completing your profile, if you don't want to tell me then so be it. You must have your reasons, but like I say, some people will just assume you don't have anything to show, and I do think people seeking advice would be very interested in the qualifications of those dishing out that advice...

 

[Colin33]

Collin33 ,their are many DIYers come on this forum to get help. and some people except any members pointers to DIYers like you self . like my self when I ask question many members will give a answer .
many members give their advice for free . any DIYer decides to do a job themselves then their are playing with danger .

Sorry Buzz, I can't make out what you're trying to say there, your broken English is not always easy to decipher.

 

[telectrix]

my granddad was a binman, so that qualifies me to talk any old rubbish.

 

[telectrix]

Sorry Buzz, I can't make out what you're trying to say there, your broken English is not always easy to decipher.

considering that hisfirst language is Klingon, he's doing OK.

 

[buzzlightyear]

his op he is like tick in dogs ear .the dog keeps scratching and the tick is still there .

 

[GMES]

Guys, can we please keep the thread on track or it will be closed, not sure if there's something in the air lately or it's just post Xmas blues. But let's keep it friendly.
As for dishing out step by step guides to non electricians I would urge you not too, we've had the discussion many times helping with a bit of advice is one thing but wiring it up for them is totally different.
@Colin33 can we please call it a day with the qualifications posts it is coming across in an argumentative manner.
Much obliged.

 

[Darkwood]

Let's bring the thread back on track here, it's been derailed over the last several posts... on topic and constructive or resist the urge to post please.

 

[Darkwood]

Bloody hell @GMES seems I replied same time and now I'm taking it off topic doh!

 

[GMES]

Bloody he'll @GMES seems I replied same time and now I'm taking it off topic doh!

I had noticed now take yourself off the spanking machine for 20 minutes

 

[Spoon]

I'm a good boy and never take posts off topic...

 

[GMES]

I'm a good boy and never take posts off topic...

You can still use the spanking machine if you really want.