Did we have less polution 50 -60 years ago I remember the choking smogs we used to get when every house had a coal fire and smokeless coal was an option, I've never seen that in the last 40 years or have we changed how we define polution with better analysis today than we had decades ago, although how much polution can be attributed to the internet when compared to what vehicles produce

You're most probably correct, we seem to be fed information (from birth, taught to walk and talk as quickly as possible, then told to sit down and shut up)
The part that alarms me most is how media can report what it likes, at times backed up by scientists I have never heard of, and everybody believes something 100%


Statistics can be twisted to suit the agenda of those publishing them, speak to any good statistician and they will tell you that

Somebody once told me that 87.56% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I always remember a BBC Tomorrows World program back in the late 60's or early 70's where is was suggested as we ate more processed food we would probably need to eat a soil sandwich every so often to ensure we maintained the levels of trace elements that our bodies need to function properly

Now that was a good show, I think they replaced that with The Teletubbies.
Ahhh the Clarkes shoe shop getting your feet measured so you got the right shoes so your feet grew properly, is it still a thing these days or has must have fashion taken over

If it wasn't for Clarkes I would of been walking like a pigeon!
As the saying goes "What goes around comes around" the problem now is life is run far faster today with the I want it now culture than it was before the internet, 20 - 30 years ago you waited for the postman now documents and high quality pictures can be on the other side of the world in seconds

Good point!
When I was installing radio data links 15 - 20 years ago one question that was often asked when we were doing pre installation survey's was how much radiation will this radio put out, the standard response from the radio engineer was a lot lees than you have blasted into your head taking that mobile phone call, so maybe after a day of taking mobile phone calls we need to sleep with an earth lead attached to discharge all EMR from the days phone calls

I don't have a mobile phone, I crushed the last one 5 months ago.
Not that I'm worried about anything frying my brain, (there's not much up there to fry) it's more so the annoying texts I would get like, 'what time are you coming back', and ' could you pick up milk and eggs on your way back' or, 'Mum's coming around tonight, please try and be nice to her, she's seen something on the TV and it's upset her'. And that's without the very few mates I actually have texting some rubbish like, 'hope you're ok mate, you couldn't just give me hand with this next time you're available' Though I don't mind helping mates out!

Or it would ring cuz i'd never texted back and then asked to pick up those things. Could be most irritating especially when building a well in 2 ft of water in the ground and it's raining.


I'm thinking of getting a CB.
 
Mental health.

A couple of days ago, a neighbour of my parents, father of my wife’s oldest school friend and the fittest 75 year old I know apparently took his own life… Leaving a wife, 2 daughters and 4 grandchildren.

He had depression for the majority of his adult life, and I’m sure there were past incidents that we don’t know about. He disappeared one time just before our wedding, and we thought we would lose a bridesmaid.

A few weeks ago he participated in a sponsored cycle race for Doddy Weirs MND charity…
He ran, hiked, cycled, swam….

I say “apparently” as we don’t know what has happened yet, but it seems his demons have finally caught up with him.

RIP Mick.
 
Mental health.

A couple of days ago, a neighbour of my parents, father of my wife’s oldest school friend and the fittest 75 year old I know apparently took his own life… Leaving a wife, 2 daughters and 4 grandchildren.

He had depression for the majority of his adult life, and I’m sure there were past incidents that we don’t know about. He disappeared one time just before our wedding, and we thought we would lose a bridesmaid.

A few weeks ago he participated in a sponsored cycle race for Doddy Weirs MND charity…
He ran, hiked, cycled, swam….

I say “apparently” as we don’t know what has happened yet, but it seems his demons have finally caught up with him.

RIP Mick.

Very sad case. And very easy for this sort of thing to go under the radar. RIP
 
I'm 75, retired now except for a few small jobs here and there. get bored easily sitting about the house, and so have decided not to give up beer and smokes, steak and chips. . depression. what's that?
 
Tel, that's a good attitude...and you are lucky to be able to make those choices.
sadly, some have demons and follow them...involuntarily.
Let all of us who can tame those demons be thankful.
On a slight slant, my friend's father lost his wife through natural causes a year ago. She had made him give up smoking and drinking 10 years ago...now, at 89, he has taken up both again...why not?
 
My great grandfather started smoking at the age of 10. Cigars/pipes mostly. Lasted until he was 98, smoking all that time.

Took no nonsense that generation though. Born late 19th century. Expect 2 world wars will often do that to you. I sometimes wonder if he was as tough on the inside as on the outside. I’m sure his life was many times harder than mine?
 
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We all suffer from stress... But some peoples levels are frightening and must be horrible. Its down to insecurity of our future and finances in most cases.Many young people have been brain washed into this whole"Flexing" mentality of wanting everything and setting themselves up to have almost zero left at the end of a paypacket .Housing rent/mortgages etc . We are seeing a huge rise in people " 2 months out" which means they cannot make a payment after 2 months if they lose their income etc . Its not worth it . I know too many that died young or lost the lot ...All down to thinking they could live a life they really could not fund . My advice to anyone leaving school soon. Get yourself trained to work in the "mental health " business .Its going to be a huge business
 
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Can we keep this in line with the thread topic.
 
Can we keep this in line with the thread topic.
So it's a childish whack round the ear hole, as in my apprenticeship days.... it must have caused mental health at work problems.....phew!
Look at all these footballers with the heading decease.
 
Can we keep this in line with the thread topic.
Not much point in posting anymore now while your editing of this thread has made no consideration to the mental health of those whose posts have been deleted
 
I can see that going off-topic might be a nuisance, but on the other hand, if it allows folks to express their concerns then it is valuable. OK, no place for such discussions as this thread has had if we are talking about the best JB to use in a wet environment or somesuch, but when people are openly expressing views which generate feedback it seems a bit restrictive to stifle them. I know a bit about mental health problems, and I know how valuable discussion is...maybe we wandered a bit, but no-one complained, right?
some folks got some views out there...that's my point. Frankly, I would have preferred it if the discussion continued and those who didn't like it could leave.
However...as the thread is still open, and we have to concentrate on the subject matter, let's agree to shift all our concerns about the other matters to another thread where anything goes.
My sister just arrived. She lost her son some years ago...he hanged himself in the garden. I saw, felt and still see and feel that anguish. 29 is no age to die from the demons in your head. back on track in this thread, and I hope we will have many more contributions.
 
To the OP you should seek professional help even if talking doesn't help there is medication that can help, as for the cycle you talk about its your brain essentially fighting itself, you feel in danger so you have to check and the more you check the more your forcing yourself to find something that isn't there that's why you get more blurry and unsure as the adrenaline that your body is releasing is making you check and check again until you satisfy yourself and calm down. There's medication that works that stops your brain running away from itself.

Sounds like you're suffering from OCD/anxiety which are commonly linked best way it was described to me is anxiety is natural to ever one it essentially keeps you away from danger the problem is, is that it's like a jug the more it gets filled with different things, work, relationships, money etc the jug can overflow and that's when you feel out of control
 
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To the OP you should seek professional help even if talking doesn't help there is medication that can help,
Speaking from experience and that of others more often than not the professionals only add to the problem and don't help the situation
I was once told by a professional that I was never intending to commit suicide because I never wrote a note, since that time I know of quite a number of people who have committed suicide and none of them left a note
 
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That's true the family we bought our current house from the farther hung himself in the barn and did not leave a note, it seems he convinced himself he was riddled with Cancer and wanted to save his family the long process of him dying, it turns out from the Postmortem that he did not have Cancer.
 
Speaking from experience and that of others more often than not the professionals only add to the problem and don't help the situation
I was once told by a professional that I was never intending to commit suicide because I never wrote a note, since that time I know of quite a number of people who have committed suicide and none of them left a note
But if there is nobody they feel comfortable talking with like family/friends then things like this will only eat away at you in silence

My brother tried to commit suicide last year however they reckon it was more a cry for help and for years he'd been struggling in silence with many things as he didn't want to look weak or inconvenience anyone since opening up and getting care he's 100 times better
 
My great grandfather started smoking at the age of 10. Cigars/pipes mostly. Lasted until he was 98, smoking all that time.

Took no nonsense that generation though. Born late 19th century. Expect 2 world wars will often do that to you. I sometimes wonder if he was as tough on the inside as on the outside. I’m sure his life was many times harder than mine?
My mum started smoking at 15 and died of lung cancer at 51.
 
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Speaking from experience and that of others more often than not the professionals only add to the problem and don't help the situation
I was once told by a professional that I was never intending to commit suicide because I never wrote a note, since that time I know of quite a number of people who have committed suicide and none of them left a note
Same as a friend who hung himself at the start of covid.never left a will.... This caused a huge issue with the money the Government took from his estate .I believe it was 450k. But the really kicker was ...I spoke to his father as I was worried about him. The father said he believed his son could never kill himself. 4 months after the event it turned out the son had tried it twice before and both times the father was involved in stopping him. What can you do when not only does your friend not talk , but his father lives in denial and shame etc .
 
But if there is nobody they feel comfortable talking with like family/friends then things like this will only eat away at you in silence

My brother tried to commit suicide last year however they reckon it was more a cry for help and for years he'd been struggling in silence with many things as he didn't want to look weak or inconvenience anyone since opening up and getting care he's 100 times better
I suspect in most cases it really is a cry for help as of the folks I known who have killed themselves, or tried and thankfully failed, none of their problems were that big to anyone outside of their own internal dialogue.

Assisted suicide for the terminally ill is a very different case, of course.
 
I suspect in most cases it really is a cry for help as of the folks I known who have killed themselves, or tried and thankfully failed, none of their problems were that big to anyone outside of their own internal dialogue.

Assisted suicide for the terminally ill is a very different case, of course.
There was that guy who just got a suspended 2 year sentence for helping his wife die. We don't treat dogs like we treat some humans.
 
There was that guy who just got a suspended 2 year sentence for helping his wife die. We don't treat dogs like we treat some humans.
I saw this. So called “suicide pact”

He slit her throat. That’s murder…. Whatever the reasoning.
Then botched doing it to himself.

Why didn’t they go to that Swiss place?
 
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I saw this. So called “suicide pact”

He slit her throat. That’s murder…. Whatever the reasoning.
Then botched doing it to himself.

Why didn’t they go to that Swiss place?

Must admit the throat slitting thing seems an odd method for a suicide pact. And although notes had been left, it seems that the wife hadn't signed them. Got to be careful with this sort of thing. I'm sure it was all innocent, but it might not have been.
 
Took no nonsense that generation though. Born late 19th century. Expect 2 world wars will often do that to you. I sometimes wonder if he was as tough on the inside as on the outside. I’m sure his life was many times harder than mine?

I think this is the issue. Problems and struggles are relative to what we're used to. I personally felt much more relaxed about COVID when compared with nuclear war. Things improve but we feel the same hardship over smaller things instead and it doesn't make the struggles any less real.
 
Nuclear was is not something I can do anything about, but the Covid epidemic to a certain extent I can, I still don't go out anywhere there are crowds and have everything I need delivered, including food, I suppose I am extra vigilant as I have a condition that makes me vulnerable to infections of any kind.
 
My mum started smoking at 15 and died of lung cancer at 51.
Sorry to hear that you lost your mum at such a young age.

To clarify, I wasn’t suggesting that smoking was in any way a good idea/healthy. I refuse to even try it after seeing what a state it got some of my other family members into.
 
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Nuclear was is not something I can do anything about, but the Covid epidemic to a certain extent I can, I still don't go out anywhere there are crowds and have everything I need delivered, including food, I suppose I am extra vigilant as I have a condition that makes me vulnerable to infections of any kind.
Mike ..where you living the same way before Covid ?
 
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No, even when at our holiday home we avoided contact with other people, traveled by car to our holiday home and had food delivered.
 
My mum started smoking at 15 and died of lung cancer at 51.
i stated at 13, mainly due to buying 5 Park Drive with Fridayy's school dinner shilling ( it was fish or nothing). now 75, had some issues with emphysema but lungs improved since i cut down on the smokes: from 20/dayto 6-8/day. lucky or just nature? as for the mental health side of things, smokes and beer sort my demons out. once told by a work colleague that if I was any more laid back, I'd be horizontal.
 
Nuclear was is not something I can do anything about, but the Covid epidemic to a certain extent I can, I still don't go out anywhere there are crowds and have everything I need delivered, including food, I suppose I am extra vigilant as I have a condition that makes me vulnerable to infections of any kind.
@UNG why the optimistic tag?
 
I have to admit I didn't see this one coming. He's very local to me and the OAP's all tell me what Stuart used to charge, I think at one point 50 years ago he had a monopoly in the area


It goes to show that outward appearances can't be relied upon to measure mental health.
 
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I have to admit I didn't see this one coming. He's very local to me and the OAP's all tell me what Stuart used to charge, I think at one point 50 years ago he had a monopoly in the area


It goes to show that outward appearances can't be relied upon to measure mental health.
100% right : My friend called me roughly 4-5 hours before he hung himself and we chatted about cars and Hifi , design etc for 2 hours , laughing etc etc .I did have concerns and knew he was in a bad place .But what the hell happened after the call ? I dont get that bit .Unless he just wanted us "to part on a nice memory and happiness " ?
 
I think if someone wants to die and genuinely wants to kill themselves there's not much you can do about it. It's like severe alcoholism, it never goes away and it's something you have to fight inside yourself, nobody can say anything that will ease it for you it has to come from you.
 
I can't speak for anybody else but suicide is a very personal experience.

I struggled with it big time just over 6 years ago now, I planned my despise with great calculation and by the time everything was in place I have never felt such inner peace.

The thing is NOBODY knew a thing, I had 24 hours to myself to go through with what I had planned.
Nothing in this time ever flashed through my mind, not my kids/family or anything else, I thought they would just vanish when I was gone so it wouldn't bother me. (it's really selfish ground I suppose, but I guess dying naturally or of illness is ok to some extent to other people, just not suicide)

I didn't feel any sadness, in these 24 hours, in a strange kind of way I actually felt excited to leave this planet and all my sh*t behind. I had youtube Ibizia club classics playing on my laptop, I drank coffee and smoked tobacco, never touched any alcohol or anything else. It was as if I was about to step into somewhere which would just be nothing. Nothing but emptiness, no stress, no problems, just nothing.

And I did go to sleep when the time came, only to be completely horrified when I woke up hours later with everything around me totally different to how it was before hand. I can't go into detail but it was an exit plan which was to leave nothing of me and the 'out in the middle of nowhere cabin I was staying in alone'.

After I came outside and the oxygen hit me I immediately passed out, and I felt like I had drank 20 litres of strong vodka when I came too, I don't know how long I was out for.
I had researched my method for 3 years prior to all of this.

But it just wasn't to be, and everybody in the family found out, my sister was the first one to turn up the next day to see me and the site deeply upset her. Then the kids and everybody else found out, she told everybody in complete panic.
And it's then and only then that you suddenly think how it would of affected them, so much so that you start imagining them doing the same thing because Dad did it when things got totally overwhelming, so I will as well.

This is not easy stuff to talk about, but all i wanted to say was nothing at all comes into a suicidal mind but the thought of complete peace.

Today I don't think about it, I just wander around trying to help out where I can and try to get out in nature as much as possible, when things ever feel as if they are tipping, I just say death/peace will come naturally sooner or later, and that's more acceptable to everybody when it does come.

So to anybody else who feels they are falling into these waters, just blag your time, get out into nature as much as possible, help out where you can cuz this does help to give you some inner peace.
 
That couldn't have been an easy thing to write.... but thank you for your insight.
 
Wow that was! a hard read, hope you are better now and in a good place, depression leading to suicide is not something I understand the turmoil that leads to it must be so overwhelming to think that the only way out is to switch off, I feel for those that are left behind, what must they think, how did I not notice? how could I have helped?
 
Probably the hardest thing I've ever written tbh.

There is still a massive stigma attached to suicide and mental health. And if I'm to be honest I wrote the above and very nearly not posted it.
But I do know of others that have gone through with suicide and succeeded, when I've been asked what I thought I would just say 'I can't understand it' yet I knew the ground only to well and did understand it. But didn't want anybody else to think I had come so close.



All that works for me these days is just telling myself life is not forever. That way I can move forward with some kind of internal peace and nobody is going to be left hurt.
I know life is what you make of it, I don't blame anybody now for how I ended up at the bottom of that pit. Yet I did at the time.
It was everybody's and everything's fault, but I understand now it was how I absorbing things said to me. I had totally lost the 'take it with a pinch of salt' teachings.

I came through 40 years managing not to look to closely at anything, in a way I ignored things, kind of not focused on anything and lived in this bubble which I felt protected in.
But then I started to wake up and look around me at everything, and this is where the internet did me no favours whatsoever. The news was always bleak, misinformation was spread left, right and centre. I started to wonder if anything I had ever been taught at school, home media was actually correct.

I've learnt now to stay away from social media, twitter, facebook etc. I've learnt to stay in the moment and not dwell over the past which is a classic sign of depression, I've also learnt to not dwell on the future and what could happen and go wrong therefore reducing my anxiety.
I'm glad I've managed to do that because every day now something doomy is thrown out in the media. Covid, Russia, Politician Scandals etc etc.
I'm to the conclusion now that what will be will be and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. But that has took what happened to me to get to this point, so I write this in hope it may help somebody who is at the very bottom of the pit.

It is true that the only person that can do anything about it is yourself. I was on medication 5 years before I even attempted suicide, I must admit the medication did work, but it took a little part of me away, I was no longer interested in anything, and if I tried to do something like play the piano for example then I couldn't even remember the notes anymore. It takes away your creative side, and leaves you a bit like a zombie, I just ended up wanting to sleep all the time. And for those 5 years that's all I did.

Then you get mental health people that would talk to you once a week, and this helped a lot for the hour I was sat there with them, but once you left and went home I was stuck in exactly the same place all over again till the next week.
When they did realise how bad I was they put me in a hospital I could not get out of, and tested more drugs, the sleeping pill was my favourite, yet watching others in there being held down and injected because it did kick off daily, made me realise it's really not much different to the victorian era, but the beds are probably more comfortable now days.

I don't have the answers for anybody that is or close to the very edge. And I realise that a lot of people stay completely trapped within themselves because they don't want to hurt there family or anybody else.
Yet that is equally tough ground because they live in a world where nobody has a clue how they are really feeling. And speaking to family or friends then most of the time its, 'pull yourself together' or 'people had it way worse in the war' or 'there are millions of people worse off than you' etc etc.
And though they are trying to help there are no magic words, the best magic words are the ones not spoken and someone just listens, but that's not great especially for the person listening. It's dark ground. And very draining.
It's a lot easier to do if you're walking though, the exercise is part of the cure in itself!

The only real advice I can give to anybody fighting these sort of demons is, when that internal voice starts telling you that you're useless, not worth it, alone because nobody likes you or anything else that cause you to start judging things and making you feel you might not be capable of anything and hating yourself, then you literally have to start fighting back, tell yourself you can do it, you're not a loser, you don't hate yourself etc, this does take time

You have to challenge it every day and slowly that internal voice gets quieter, it's not easy, but it is doable.
 
Thanks for the replies. Yeah totally agree with all points but when you go through your time and with more studying you find out the advice given is wrong. Anxiety shoots through the roof as it’s not like you can go back to job and fix it years later. This is the issue with my OCD it latches onto things like this as I worry that my work could harm someone, this was mainly when I was in my apprenticeship or just out my time. The company I worked for was all go go go get the work done as quick as possible. I don’t like to work like that anymore I like to take my time and do a job properly now even if it takes longer. Totally easy in hindsight.
Hang in there my brother, we all have some sort of anxiety but that also says that you are a perfectionist and care about your work. I have to take one of my Xanax in the mornings just to leave the house. Good luck my friend
 
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Ref. My post #42 The funeral today of “Mick”

A lot of people in the cemetery between work colleagues, running and cycling clubs, neighbours….

The eulogy spoke of his “demons” which only confirmed what we all suspect the cause of death was… only the family will know for sure.

The service was simple… starting and ending with recordings of his favourite bands…. Pink Floyd, The Beatles and The Who….

Something peaceful about a sunny blue sky and the opening bars of Baba O’Riley…..
 

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