might lose a finger tomorrow :(, neighbour from hell

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elsparko

what a fantastic start to the week, neighbours pitbull off its lead in the landing unsupervised, attacked my dog for the second time, managed to get my fist in the pitbulls mouth, sheared my pinky like a bit of 16mm tail :(.

never thought a man as handsome as i would have to visit a plastic surgeon.

any of you lot got a spare pinky lying about?
 
yea i reported it but its as if the police couldnt be bothered dealing with it, away to get in touch with lndlord and solicitors today, neighbour wanted to fight me after their dog had attacked me, never stayed next to such idiots in my life
 
How come you're having to wait until tomorrow? Sorry to say but the quicker they can start re attaching the more likely they are to save the finger.

I'd push the police into action, awful that you've damaged your hand but imagine it getting it's mouth round a childs arm or neck.

I'd also look at putting a claim through the criminal compensation act for any potential lost earnings caused by this.
 
Rob said:
How come you're having to wait until tomorrow? Sorry to say but the quicker they can start re attaching the more likely they are to save the finger.

I'd push the police into action, awful that you've damaged your hand but imagine it getting it's mouth round a childs arm or neck.

I'd also look at putting a claim through the criminal compensation act for any potential lost earnings caused by this.
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dont think there was any surgeons in last night, their dog is a vicious piece of work, just latched onto my dogs chest/neck area, i was ready to kill this dog this time if it didnt let go in a timely manner, if its him or my boy(my dug) the choice is already made for me.

the hardest part at the moment is trying to keep myself calm, would this fall under duty of care of landlord if they have been reported numerous times and no action taken?
 
Not sure what the landlords responsibilities are. I've no doubt your solicitor would advise.

The dog however is most certainly the polices responsibility under the dangerous dog act. The laws have toughened up on owners too I believe.

The Dangerous Dogs Act applies to any dog that is dangerously out of control in public, in private or in a home. The definition of 'dangerously out of control' in the Act is:

  1. If a dog injures someone or
  2. If a dog makes someone worried that it might injure someone
  3. If a dog attacks another dog or
  4. If the owner of a dog thinks it is going to attack another dog
There are stiff penalties for a dangerously out of control dog and these depend on the severity of the incident. There is a penalty of up to six months in prison and/or an unlimited fine for a dog that is dangerously out of control.

If a dog injures you whilst it is dangerously out of control, its owner could be sent to prison for up to five years with an unlimited fine. If a dog kills someone whilst it is dangerously out of control, the owner can face up to fourteen years in prison, along with an unlimited fine.

Any dog found to be dangerously out of control will be destroyed unless the Court is convinced that the dog does not pose a danger to the public.
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Rob said:
Not sure what the landlords responsibilities are. I've no doubt your solicitor would advise.

The dog however is most certainly the polices responsibility under the dangerous dog act. The laws have toughened up on owners too I believe.
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i managed to make a short video showing mywound, the dog off its lead and uncontrollable by any of my neighbours, and also her shouting and screaming
 
If you had formally reported this dangerous dog to their landlord and they did nothing, especially if it is a banned breed, you may have a claim against the landlord and the tenant.
 
I know all dogs have the potential to inflict this sort of thing but why these half wits want pitbulls is beyond me. Good luck mate at the hospital.
 
derek said:
If you had formally reported this dangerous dog to their landlord and they did nothing, especially if it is a banned breed, you may have a claim against the landlord and the tenant.
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yes, been reported twice before even some of it happened infront of communal cctv but they never bothered to retrieve that for us, also there is no heat detector in the kitchen ;)
 
There should be a law that all dogs with a dangerous biting power must be muzzled whilst in public places. That's my opinion.
I once owned 2 Staffordshire bull terriers. As friendly as they were (lovely natured dogs) I knew full well their potential for harm, so I always muzzled them when taking them out for walks and would always keep them on their leads whilst in public areas.

I would never trust any dog alone around young children. No matter how well you think you know your dog, it only takes one moment of uncharacteristic behaviour and someone could be seriously harmed.

The idiots who allow this sort of thing (as per OP) should be prosecuted and banned from pet ownership.
 
I thought put bulls were always illegal even if they haven't attacked anyone. Here they are a prohibited breed and if it's proven to be a pit bull then it is automatically sentenced to death.
 
Get the council involved and email your local MP explaining the substation and the lack of action by the Police.

Who is the landlord and what are the terms of the lease?
 
I would contact the police and raise a complaint bringing it to the attention of the duty sargeant. If this produces no results I would escalate it to my local councillor. This make me quite angry that police are not moving to protect citizens from serious harm as is their duty. You can sue the police where they have failed to meet their duty and harm has resulted. You need to keep a log of events. When contacting the police or landlords you should also advise them of your intention to invole your councillor in the absence of a satisfactory resolution. You might also enlist the support of other tenants who have been bothered by this person. The way the polic work is that they will rarely intervene if just one person complains they want more people to make a complaint and then they will act.
 
David M said:
There should be a law that all dogs with a dangerous biting power must be muzzled whilst in public places. That's my opinion.
I once owned 2 Staffordshire bull terriers. As friendly as they were (lovely natured dogs) I knew full well their potential for harm, so I always muzzled them when taking them out for walks and would always keep them on their leads whilst in public areas.

I would never trust any dog alone around young children. No matter how well you think you know your dog, it only takes one moment of uncharacteristic behaviour and someone could be seriously harmed.

The idiots who allow this sort of thing (as per OP) should be prosecuted and banned from pet ownership.
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definitely, there should be a license to own animals as most humans seem not to have the capabilities to teach their own children, nevermind animal training.

there are several young children in the block, so im wondering if it will take someone dying before the landlord does anything, such incompetence grinds my gears.

i gave them benefit of the doubt last time that it was a mistake, but now they are openly weaponising their dog against me and my family, time for someone to go to jail.
 
SWD said:
Get the council involved and email your local MP explaining the substation and the lack of action by the Police.

Who is the landlord and what are the terms of the lease?
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grampian housing association, i will be going to the press, my mp, my solicitor and arrange a meeting with ipcc to file complaints against the officers that attended.

landlords have a duty of care to make sure their tenants have dogs on leads in buildings at all times, no exceptions, this is the 2nd time its been off its lead in public area, no muzzle either and this time it bit me badly aswell as my dog who was on a lead and coming in from a walk.

i should be able to enter my own home without fear of assault
 
Too true, the Police in this day and age are only interested in the easy to fine cases to bring the revenue.

Be smart and be calm, MP's can be handy as they have influence and the Police and HA don't want them on their backs.
 
You could also ask the HA to move you to a nice house........... as you are in "fear" of your neighbour. You need to play the game.
 
SWD said:
You could also ask the HA to move you to a nice house........... as you are in "fear" of your neighbour. You need to play the game.
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its more so for my disabled mother, i can handle myself without much worry but when im at work thats when they start most of the trouble.

i still dont want this dog put down, but it needs rehabilitated and homed away from kids and other dogs
 
elsparko said:
its more so for my disabled mother, i can handle myself without much worry but when im at work thats when they start most of the trouble.

i still dont want this dog put down, but it needs rehabilitated and homed away from kids and other dogs
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Unfortunately this dog will have to be destroyed.

An aside from that, if it's attacked more than once it's probably past the point of no return. Even with a lot of training the tendencies are ingrained.
 
Also use social media to post up photos of your injuries the local Police will love you for that when its on their Facebook, Twitter and whatever other pages.

I assume the Police in your area are far too busy painting their nails and wearing high heels to do anything.

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SWD said:
Also use social media to post up photos of your injuries the local Police will love you for that when its on their Facebook, Twitter and whatever other pages.

I assume the Police in your area are far too busy painting their nails and wearing high heels to do anything.

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i understand from a legal standpoint they are trying to avoid liability but this has gone further than just dog on dog attack, they arent even attempting to use common sense and resolve the situation, infact its their incompetence that it has got to this stage, i dont see how using a pitbull as a weapon is any different than using any other offensive weapon.
 
Looks like that if a dog injures someone then the owner could be jailed for 5 years, also looks like the Police aren't doing there job so get on to social media (sad face, hand bandaged soaked in blood/ketchup for the obligatory Daily Mail photo, UKIP Teeshirt well thats up to you to decide) and email the head of the Police in your area and Cc' in your MP and local ward councillors in the area as well as the local rag.

Liability wise they are just far too lazy as all they are now are revenue collectors, go and ---- on the wall of the Police station then they'll have you in an instant, fined and out of the door £100 lighter.

Cut and paste job from here, hopefully its all still valid information.

Dangerous Dogs - http://blogs.staffs.ac.uk/law/2016/07/13/105/

All these recommendations have now been made law, and are contain within The Anti-Social Behaviour and Policing Act 2014 s.98 and 99, alongside an increased sentencing provision.

  • 14 years in prison if a person dies as the result of a dog attack
  • 5 years in prison if a person is injured
  • 3 years imprisonment if an assistance dog is either killed or injured.
So, now the new legislation is in place what does it mean for dog owners? The key issue for pet owners is that now they can be prosecuted for having a dog that is ‘out of control’ in both public and private spaces. The definition of out of control is spelt out and is in some respects subjective, a dog is out of control if;

  • The dog injures someone
  • The dog makes someone afraid that it might injure them
  • The dog attacks another dog
  • The owner of another animal is afraid that they might be injured if they tried to stop the out of control dog attacking their animal
 
SWD said:
Looks like that if a dog injures someone then the owner could be jailed for 5 years, also looks like the Police aren't doing there job so get on to social media (sad face, hand bandaged soaked in blood/ketchup for the obligatory Daily Mail phone, UKIP Teeshirt well thats up to you to decide) and email the head of the Police in your area and Cc' in your MP and local ward councillors in the area as well as the local rag.

Cut and paste job from here, hopefully its all still valid information.

Dangerous Dogs - http://blogs.staffs.ac.uk/law/2016/07/13/105/

All these recommendations have now been made law, and are contain within The Anti-Social Behaviour and Policing Act 2014 s.98 and 99, alongside an increased sentencing provision.

  • 14 years in prison if a person dies as the result of a dog attack
  • 5 years in prison if a person is injured
  • 3 years imprisonment if an assistance dog is either killed or injured.
So, now the new legislation is in place what does it mean for dog owners? The key issue for pet owners is that now they can be prosecuted for having a dog that is ‘out of control’ in both public and private spaces. The definition of out of control is spelt out and is in some respects subjective, a dog is out of control if;

  • The dog injures someone
  • The dog makes someone afraid that it might injure them
  • The dog attacks another dog
  • The owner of another animal is afraid that they might be injured if they tried to stop the out of control dog attacking their animal
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are those english laws as ive been reading a bit today and it seems scotland differs slightly in some aspects
 
SWD said:
Also go to the Police station report the incident/crime and ask for a crime reference number and give a statement.
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the police could see the other side of my finger, they just wanted me dropped off at hospital and to finish their shift from the attitude they displayed, if i dont get a decent answer on the next phonecall i will be visiting the police station in person, harder to fob off a victim bleeding all over the waiting area
 
elsparko said:
the police could see the other side of my finger, they just wanted me dropped off at hospital and to finish their shift from the attitude they displayed, if i dont get a decent answer on the next phonecall i will be visiting the police station in person, harder to fob off a victim bleeding all over the waiting area
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Thats odd as they are usually up for some OT unless the rules have changed.

Reminds me never to try to hail a Police car as a taxi when pis sed especially when the Police station is only 100 yards down the road, lesson learnt........
 
Hope all guys well with your finger, having nearly severed a thumb some years ago, I know how painful that can be. I'm a bit worried about the prognosis due to the time delay?

Some good advice been given, about pursuing some form of prosecution. I would first give to police the opportunity to act, by making contact again (get your injury sorted first), get someone to act on your behalf.

If you do not get suitable response from the police, would echo the advice of contacting local media and MP.
 
Midwest said:
Hope all guys well with your finger, having nearly severed a thumb some years ago, I know how painful that can be. I'm a bit worried about the prognosis due to the time delay?

Some good advice been given, about pursuing some form of prosecution. I would first give to police the opportunity to act, by making contact again (get your injury sorted first), get someone to act on your behalf.

If you do not get suitable response from the police, would echo the advice of contacting local media and MP.
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Hi, ive been a busy boy today, dog warden, housing association and police all dragging heels, i have rang up my local station and asked for a desk sergeant so things should move swiftly, just sitting raging on the inside, i was such a brave boy today that the surgeons are only giving me local :O cant wait to see my own finger getting essentially spliced back together lol, am i allowed to post pictures? they are a bit gory
 
had an incident myself some years ago, but it was a rottweiler that i was caring for till the owner could be traced. he attacked a staffs, bull and was trying to kill it when i did the same as OP. 3 fingers badly bitten, but none severed. i paid the victim's vet bill, obviously, 2 days later, with hand all bandaged up, brake pipe on my citroen ( hyraulic suspension and brakes) went pop, and I'm under the car hammering the pipe closed so I could get to work, bleeding all over my hammer.
 
Sorry to hear about your run in with the unruly dog, hope your finger injury isn't too bad.

I'm not a fan of condemning dogs by breed, same as I'm not a fan of condemning people according to skin colour, gender or any other generalised trait.

The behaviour of the dog is squarely the fault of the owner and he, not the dog should be held liable.

I should probably declare I own an American pitbull....and funnily enough today is his birthday.
 
Marvo said:
Sorry to hear about your run in with the unruly dog, hope your finger injury isn't too bad.

I'm not a fan of condemning dogs by breed, same as I'm not a fan of condemning people according to skin colour, gender or any other generalised trait.

The behaviour of the dog is squarely the fault of the owner and he, not the dog should be held liable.

I should probably declare I own an American pitbull....and funnily enough today is his birthday.
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i agree with you, i dont want the dog punished for the stupid mentality of its owners, i would rather it is rehomed to a suitable owner, ive got nothing against pitbulls, i even owned one myself, but it was muzzled, harnessed and on a short lead unless it was in my garden.

im not particularly upset with the dog, even now im feeling sorry for the boyfriend of the witch upstairs, last time his dog got out because of her being careless, ran down attacked my dog outside , when he came over he wasnt saying much, just wanted to get his dog inside.

i should robably ost the video of this fat witch
 
Pffff it isn't that bad if the finger was in the fridge waiting to be re attached then that would be a drama, especially if it was in your neighbours fridge.
 
SWD said:
Pffff it isn't that bad if the finger was in the fridge waiting to be re attached then that would be a drama, especially if it was in your neighbours fridge.
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could have been worse but still if the surgeons cant reattach all the mess on the inside then they may have to chop it, id rather have my pinky
 
SWD said:
I was trying to cheer you up with humour ;o))))) and to take your mind off the issue.
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:D the bonus is the pain is quite dull, it looks worse than it feels, all i felt getting the local was it scratching on the bone, ive got about 8 feet of bandages on it, no wonder they cant afford to pay nurses
 
bit of bog roll and some gaffer tape, be right as ninepence in a week.
 
I got prescribed some Diamorphine when I did my thumb, which was really great man.

Embarrassed myself though, when I went to the hand clinic a week later. Junior surgeon was so chuffed with his handy work, he went off to get his boss. I thought I'd have a butchers, & fainted sat in the chair. Nurse came along, and said 'you looked at it, didn't you, you stupid boy'. :oops:
 
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