Never Heard It Put Better!!

[Engineer54]

The son of an illegal immigrant asks his dad, "Dad, what's democracy?"​

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"Well, son, that's when other people work and we get all the benefits from it!"​

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"But Dad, aren't the people who do all the work unhappy about that?"​

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"Sure they are son, but that's called 'racism."​

 

[imago]

The only problem there is that illegal immigrants don't get benefits.

It would reflect the true state of affairs if it read :-

The son of third generation lazy scrounger asks his dad, "Dad, what's democracy?"
"Well, son, that's when other people work and we get all the benefits from it!"
"But Dad, aren't the people who do all the work unhappy about that?"
"Sure they are son, but it's OK because we're British."
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[Deleted member 26818]

Those bloody illegal immigrants taking all our benefits.
Why don't they go out and get themselves a job?

 

[telectrix]

a lot of them have. they're called polish/romanian/albanian/latvian/lithuanean/ electricians. eventually, it'll come back in rectification work. can't wait.

 

[imago]

a lot of them have. they're called polish/romanian/albanian/latvian/lithuanean/

They're not illegal immigrants.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[telectrix]

agreed. i wanted to shoot blair and brown, but after talking to adolph at a seance. he talked me out of it, said it was too humane.

 

[kingeri]

Got mixed feelings about this. My wife is Polish, and without all that eu business we wouldn't have met and I wouldn't have my beautiful son. But I can't stand these lazy scrounging gits, wherever they come from.

 

[Paul.M]

But I can't stand these lazy scrounging gits, wherever they come from.

We dont need any more lazy scrounging gits from abroad. We have enough home grown ones lol

 

[Darkwood]

Got mixed feelings about this. My wife is Polish, and without all that eu business we wouldn't have met and I wouldn't have my beautiful son. But I can't stand these lazy scrounging gits, wherever they come from.

with all due respect if you never met you'd probably be reinforcing the thread as oppose to taking a sideline due to your situation.... as it stands mass immigration has had a negative effect on the country straining housing, jobs and the medical service and is going to get worse if we comply with EU regulation.

Dont get me wrong if you found the one for you im happy for you but had the immigration policy been tighter you would have just met someone else and not been prompted by this post to defend.

 

[Plonker 3]

with all due respect if you never met you'd probably be reinforcing the thread as oppose to taking a sideline due to your situation.... as it stands mass immigration has had a negative effect on the country straining housing, jobs and the medical service and is going to get worse if we comply with EU regulation.

Dont get me wrong if you found the one for you im happy for you but had the immigration policy been tighter you would have just met someone else and not been prompted by this post to defend.

That is one of the most bigoted posts I have ever read on here.

I have no commitment to any "foreigner" but welcome them to this country. Why should because if his partner was english should he have a different view on people who choose a life here?

Should all the ex pats then return so as not to put a strain on other countries benefits systems where they are drawing from them?

Maybe you should look around see how hard working alot of the immigrants are before judging them.

 

[Farmelectrics]

I'm sorry dibs don't agree I've been on many sites across uk they work no harder than us they just work longer hours and for less money and that's why the greedy employers like them

 

[kingeri]

with all due respect if you never met you'd probably be reinforcing the thread as oppose to taking a sideline due to your situation.... as it stands mass immigration has had a negative effect on the country straining housing, jobs and the medical service and is going to get worse if we comply with EU regulation.

Dont get me wrong if you found the one for you im happy for you but had the immigration policy been tighter you would have just met someone else and not been prompted by this post to defend.

I totally see what you're saying, and actually agree to a large extent. But I still find it odd that specifically Polish people are willing to work for minimum wage 80 hours plus a week and yet I know plenty of English people who sit on their arses saying there are no jobs out there. My lass was working at Fox's Biscuits in Batley when we met, I had to force her to stop when she fell pregnant. They employ 90% Polish 10% other nationalities....partly due to the fact that the work is apparently beneath English people, and partly because they know they'll do it for the **** wage. If they paid a decent wage then maybe our own folks would do these kind of jobs and such as the Poles would be less incentivised to come here for work. Bearing in mind that when my lass was doing her CV I saw her work history.....our minimum wage looks pretty good to peple who are used to earning 80p - £1 p/h.

 

[kingeri]

I'm sorry dibs don't agree I've been on many sites across uk they work no harder than us they just work longer hours and for less money and that's why the greedy employers like them

I disagree, in general.

 

[Engineer54]

That is one of the most bigoted posts I have ever read on here.

I have no commitment to any "foreigner" but welcome them to this country. Why should because if his partner was english should he have a different view on people who choose a life here?

Should all the ex pats then return so as not to put a strain on other countries benefits systems where they are drawing from them?

Maybe you should look around see how hard working alot of the immigrants are before judging them.

There is one very big floor in your argument here if your talking about Expat workers. And this is, ....UK Expat workers go to work in foreign countries on a company sponsored contract for a specific period. When that contract has been fulfilled the worker will return to UK, or sign a contract extension!! They do not put a strain on any countries benefit system, as they wouldn't need or be entitled to any benefits.

Even if your talking about those that emigrate to another country, you'd be hard pushed to find a country that would give you any benefits without having first paid into them for a given time. Unfortunately most countries don't allow foreigners to start claiming benefits as they walk out of the airport like they can in the UK.... lol!!

 

[UNG]

TBH this country is all screwed up it can't even look after it's own let alone the influx of immigrants both legal and illegal everything is at breaking point and there has to be a finite limit to how many people these islands can accomodate

I wonder how many other countries would throw money at immigrants the way this country does, the reason the immigrants take the jobs is they are given driving lessons and cars to get to work the indigenous population get no help

The EU has gone way beyond it's original remit of free trade between member countries and it's expansion has only brought on board countries who have no contribution to make other than depressing the hourly rates in other member countries with the shift in labour that has occurred to the richer member countries

 

[UNG]

That is one of the most bigoted posts I have ever read on here.

I have no commitment to any "foreigner" but welcome them to this country. Why should because if his partner was english should he have a different view on people who choose a life here?

Should all the ex pats then return so as not to put a strain on other countries benefits systems where they are drawing from them?

Maybe you should look around see how hard working alot of the immigrants are before judging them.

And this post has such a blinkered view, so any one who doesn't welcome these people with open arms is bigoted I think you need to look at the bigger picture

Please tell me which countries have such lavish benefits systems that match the UK for british expats

I've looked around and seen the quality of the work some of these immigrants do they may appear to work hard but the end result leaves a lot to be desired

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Are people really so dumb that they believe this sort of rubbish?
Free driving lessons and cars.
Please get a grip.
You're sat in front of your computer, with access to the internet.
You have access to more information than any other person in the history of mankind.
Make use of it, don't believe this rubbish, use your brain, don't let someone else do your thinking for you.

 

[Guest111]

The Eu has turned our country into a dumping ground for europes trash,consider the argument for assylum seekers they have passed through countries such as germany and france to name but 2 yet they end up here,if they were true assylum seekers they would stay in the first safe country they came to and not head here.the fact is we are an island and as such provide the ideal place to dump all of europes rubbish, then prevent it going back to mainland europe.This is borne out by recent events where we were told by the Eu that we could not deport a certain criminal back to his own country after his release from our prisons as it would breach his human rights! My question to all these people who make up the rules is this, what about my rights and the rights of every other decent british person to live in their own country without a load of foreign criminals being allowed here, surely we have enough of our own.Every week in the papers there is some latvian or kosovan being done for fraud,theft or sex offences it needs to stop now.

 

[UNG]

Are people really so dumb that they believe this sort of rubbish?
Free driving lessons and cars.
Please get a grip.
You're sat in front of your computer, with access to the internet.
You have access to more information than any other person in the history of mankind.
Make use of it, don't believe this rubbish, use your brain, don't let someone else do your thinking for you.

You are in denial, believe it, it happens and is continuing to happen on a daily basis I know people who have questioned the legitimacy of benefit cheques for £2000 they have been offered to pay for cars and been given short shrift by the department that handed it out

I have spoken to many people who have first hand experience how this country will bend over backwards for these immigrants while refusing the genuine citizens of the country the same level of support

To use your words "GET A GRIP" it's real and it's happening

 

[Guest111]

You are in denial, believe it, it happens and is continuing to happen on a daily basis I know people who have questioned the legitimacy of benefit cheques for £2000 they have been offered to pay for cars and been given short shrift by the department that handed it out

I have spoken to many people who have first hand experience how this country will bend over backwards for these immigrants while refusing the genuine citizens of the country the same level of support

To use your words "GET A GRIP" it's real and it's happening

Well said,When I had to give up work due to ill health they gave me every excuse going as to why I couldn't receive any benefits,when i finally did get something it was 3 years later after going bankrupt due to not being able to work, yet the immigrants come over here go to the top of the housing list and when they've been here a few months qualify for full benefits,then they have the cheek to complain about what they get! well if it's so bad over here then why don't they ho back to their own country? simple, because whatever they get here is more than they would get at home.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I'm sorry, you guys really take the biscuit.
A couple of key strokes and you would be able to find out that what you believe is completely untrue.
What bothers me, is that rather than exerting your fingers in such an exercise, you prefer to exert them in the defense of your misconceived opinions and beliefs.
To my mind any right thinking person, would at least verify that what they have posted is correct and not the propogation of lies and false propagander.
The fact that you did not after my post avail yourselves of the opertunity to check a few things out, suggests that you either already know your posts are bogus, or are so bigoted and set in your ways as to not care about the truth of your claims.

Unfortunately, it is your sort of person and your beliefs that plunged Europe and most of the world into a second world war.
I imagine that most of those who defended this Country during that war would be disgusted and appalled to find the same sort of people that they fought against are happliy living and spouting their poisonous beliefs in this Country today.

 

[Farmelectrics]

lets get back to electrics lads lol

 

[Plonker 3]

This thread is like reading the Daily Mail, come open your eyes we in this country have a welfare system like no other in the world.

People seem to think they no best because of what the press tell us. As was pointed out earlier who on here would seriously pick cabbages in a farmers in the summer for low wages and other seasonal and menial jobs that they do.

i almost feel,sorry for the people who have such a blinkered view on these issus.

 

[markc123]

Haven't we just opened the doors to romanians and bulgarians? Something like that, saw a brief part of the daily politics today. Or is that something thats going to be happening?

I don't really know what too say. I've met quite a few polish lads, who will literally dig for england and then on the flip side i've met some who literally don't care, rough-arse every single job they go to and freely admit they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the money they're making (thus, proving they don't give a **** about this country).

It needs to be capped most definitley, and something like e54 says them coming on contract terms would be perfect. I don't mind foreign workers if they work just as hard as anyone else and to a satisfactory standard.

An argument like this is always going to be split 50/50, and rightly so. I'll remain neutral and say i can see both sides to the argument.

 

[Plonker 3]

And this post has such a blinkered view, so any one who doesn't welcome these people with open arms is bigoted I think you need to look at the bigger picture

Please tell me which countries have such lavish benefits systems that match the UK for british expats

I've looked around and seen the quality of the work some of these immigrants do they may appear to work hard but the end result leaves a lot to be desired

Maybe if you read the post I quoted you would realise why I said it was such a bigoted view rather than just saying it is not.

Just for your benefit , as it is obvious you are only choosing to read what you want to see. The post I quoted said that if a person had not met his Polish partner and had children with her he would be like the "rest" of us where we hate to foreigners getting benefits off our system.

 

[UNG]

I'm sorry, you guys really take the biscuit.
A couple of key strokes and you would be able to find out that what you believe is completely untrue.
What bothers me, is that rather than exerting your fingers in such an exercise, you prefer to exert them in the defense of your misconceived opinions and beliefs.
To my mind any right thinking person, would at least verify that what they have posted is correct and not the propogation of lies and false propagander.
The fact that you did not after my post avail yourselves of the opertunity to check a few things out, suggests that you either already know your posts are bogus, or are so bigoted and set in your ways as to not care about the truth of your claims.

Unfortunately, it is your sort of person and your beliefs that plunged Europe and most of the world into a second world war.
I imagine that most of those who defended this Country during that war would be disgusted and appalled to find the same sort of people that they fought against are happliy living and spouting their poisonous beliefs in this Country today.

Your going to have to tell me what is completely untrue as I think it is you who needs to verify your statements

This thread is like reading the Daily Mail, come open your eyes we in this country have a welfare system like no other in the world.

People seem to think they no best because of what the press tell us. As was pointed out earlier who on here would seriously pick cabbages in a farmers in the summer for low wages and other seasonal and menial jobs that they do.

i almost feel,sorry for the people who have such a blinkered view on these issus.

You are correct we have a welfare system like no other in the world that treats most people coming to these shores better than the indigenous population

What makes you think I'm getting what I've said from the press.

The summer harvest years ago was done by students for minimal pay and board but these days that appears to be to much for them . The rates of pay were always low but with supermarkets like Tesco dictating what they will pay for the produce this obviously reflects in the rates of pay the farmers can pay

And I do feel sorry for you that you can't see what is going on

Maybe if you read the post I quoted you would realise why I said it was such a bigoted view rather than just saying it is not.

Just for your benefit , as it is obvious you are only choosing to read what you want to see. The post I quoted said that if a person had not met his Polish partner and had children with her he would be like the "rest" of us where we hate to foreigners getting benefits off our system.

I did read it you obviously have a different definition for "bigoted" than I do

 

[Plonker 3]

So if people have a problem with scrounges in this country have you ever purchased a item from Starbucks or Amazon?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So if people have a problem with scrounges in this country have you ever purchased a item from Starbucks or Amazon?

I wouldn't bother mate.
He can't be asked to check his facts.
On the one hand he's moaning about immigrants coming over to do the jobs that the local people don't want to do.
Dosen't blame the employers' for offering crap wages, blames the immigrants for taking them instead.

Then he's moaning about the immigrants getting free cars, free money and free housing.

Can't seem to make up his mind whether it's the jobs they are stealing that no one else wants, or that they are scrounging benefits.

 

[UNG]

So if people have a problem with scrounges in this country have you ever purchased a item from Starbucks or Amazon?

And your point is exactly what that they don't put more money in the government pot for them to give away. And I'm still waiting for an answer to "Please tell me which countries have such lavish benefits systems that match the UK for british expats"

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May be it's you suffer from the same selective reading problem you accuse me of
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I wouldn't bother mate.
He can't be asked to check his facts.

Not sure what facts I'm checking may be yours are wrong

If it's the fact that the government gives immigrants cheques for cars and cheques to go to Halfords to buy sat navs because they can't read the signs these are facts from people ( friends) who are working in places with immigrants who have been given this assistance

Or how about the coach load of dodgy immigrants bussed up from Dover to the Liverpool passport office and given passports, money and clothes the coach driver is a family friend

Are these the facts you are looking for real world not dodgy reports from the internet or press

 

[Darkwood]

There are strong arguments for and against regarding immigration, cultural diversity etc etc i could list them not as an bigoted blinkered view but cause and effect, 80% - 90% of all laws legistration are now passed to us by the EU who have vested interest in raising the economical level of the poorest members ... the truth about all this thread is simple to express

Immigration can be good and positive for a countries growth but only if controlled.
Open door policy that we are been forced to have mixed with the most generous benefits system in the world sees us with unmanageble problemsm overstretched medical systems, major housing shortage etc etc the list goes on, we also have problems in this country on how immigration is placed and whats now happening is having a negative effect i.e. Decades of ethnic minorities have come to our country and created thier own isolated communities - what i mean here is areas have become predominantly one minority group and its had a negative effect on their ability to intergrate with modern british society..its this kind of problem that fuelled and was found to be the base of the Bradford riots and troubles also spanning other high ethnicity communities like burnley.

Now as a onlooker you can either look at this and get a kneejerk opinion usually formed down the pub or you can look deeper into the real cause of the problem without any far right attitudes and here lies the problem even if you give a researched breakdown of the issue you still get tainted as a bigot or racist as many MP's have when daring to mention the underlying issues.

As it is at present the open door policy cannot be maintained and will eat away at the already overstretched services, im in the mind that everyone is equal and deserves the same chances but at present we are trying to cure the whole EU while it falls apart, if the bulgarians and romanians are given free opendoor access next year its expected to be 10fold in comparison to anything we have already seen and every service is already at breaking point.... we shouldn't have to try to solve the whole EU problems on our own and the other main issue here is those coming in and working in britain are sending there money home to support there families (As i would do in there situe) this means the influx of immigration has a net negative effect on the country as the money earned isn't been injected back into britain.

Each area of each subject requires a thread all to itself and yes agree a 4-6 sentence reply and an opinion is going to make you look bigoted or racist so if you hold a opinion try back it up with facts or figures or you might as well join EDL or the likes.

 

[Engineer54]

There must be a reason why the majority of illegal or otherwise immigrants (many claiming political asylum/refugee status) make a be-line for the UK??

I've always considered that political or otherwise refugee's, should be minimal in the UK as it's an Island, often many thousands of miles from the country of origin of these refugee's. Which means they would need to pass through several countries to end up in the UK!! Surely if they were in fear for they're lives, they would only need to cross to an adjoining country, not to then carry on traveling to reach an Island thousands of miles away, passing through many other Western countries to get there!!

Your being creamed basically, by those that can't speak English, often with no intention of learning, have no useful skills, absolutely no intention of embracing a western way of life, and would bring absolutely no benefit to any future prosperity of the UK.

 

[Des 56]

We in Wales have had Irish Italian,Polish and even English

migrants in the past. integration between the various peoples has resulted in a mixture of all those peoples and has never been an issue
In the last ten years or so we have had small(because we have little attraction ) numbers of Polish etc and they have been mainly welcomed with open arms and many have settled and integrated well in our society

Since the Enoch Powel times,looking at things from this side of Offas Dyke,England seems to have had to absorb peoples and cultures from all over the world, way above what was manageable or reasonable to expect of any country

The most sorry aspect of the mass immigration in the present times is the isolationist practices of the immigrants

It would be natural for a person emigrating to a country to want to get contact with like minded compatriots in that new country. but eventually they would adopt the ways and culture of their new home,unfortunately,the new immigrants to England (West Indians mainly excluded) seem to have wanted to bring their countries ways and their culture over with them and to remain as they were

They seem to not only have no will or intention of change, but they support, whether vocally or behind closed doors, the dismantling of the way of life of the people of the country they have been welcomed into. I find that so sad,those people have very sorry lives in my opinion because of their obsession with religion

Having said the above,I have no issue whatsoever with any immigrants that I have encountered personally or know of any issues with the children of past immigrants that I know about,it just all seems to be a problem created in the past .allowed to continue and is now to all intents and purposes unsolveable

England however seems to have a fight for its basic survival on its hands, a fight that not many are prepared to join.by the time the wake up call to construct a sensible immigration policy is heard I fear it may be too far down the track to have any effect

There is no easy answers because the foolish policies of the past cannot be undone

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If it's the fact that the government gives immigrants cheques for cars and cheques to go to Halfords to buy sat navs because they can't read the signs these are facts from people ( friends) who are working in places with immigrants who have been given this assistance

Or how about the coach load of dodgy immigrants bussed up from Dover to the Liverpool passport office and given passports, money and clothes the coach driver is a family friend

Are these the facts you are looking for real world not dodgy reports from the internet or press

Exactly.
Made up rubbish that you heard from someone who heard it from someon who's got a friend who knows someone else, who's had it on good authority from such and such.
The government do not give driving lessons, cars or sat navs to immigrants on benefit.

 

[Guest111]

One of the problems with allowing an unlimited number of immigrants into the uk is that it feeds the culture of employers paying poor wages.Think about it like this how many of us have changed jobs for more money? Most i'll bet, now if the immigrant is getting say 2 quid an hour in his own country and he can get 4 quid an hour here then naturally he is going to Want it, lets not forget that even our lowest lifestyle here is often better than they have at home.Now this then means that unscrupulous employers can get away with paying very low wages, we saw it in the 80's when the government brought out work experience schemes,remember them? a tenner more than the giro and work a 40 hour week, with the chance of a job at the end of it. How many people actually got a job at the end? Virtually non! I remember factory's taking on large numbers of what was known as the ET bigade (extra tenner) a company paid something like 25 quid a week towards having them, so when the average for a labourer was about £100 a week you could get 4 for the price of what 1 would cost you so the employer was on a winner.This was brought in by the government at the time and whilst it helped out their mates(the fat cat company directors) it did nothing for the man in the street.you can't blame anyone for wanting a better life for themselves thats natural, but you can place the blame firmly at the governments door for allowing immigration to continue unchecked.As regards brussels remember that anyone only has power because people allow them to, if every member country said no to some of the things brussels comes up with then things would change,however they won't as the things that are happening only have a negative impact on the uk.Look at the way the people in Ireland are kicking off over the flying of the union flag, I can see a turnaround on that decision shortly.Likewise if people over here had attacked government buildings instead of shops during the riots in recent years then we would have seen changes that need to be made rather than just a few more yobs getting flat screen tv,s.

 

[Plonker 3]

And your point is exactly what that they don't put more money in the government pot for them to give away. And I'm still waiting for an answer to "Please tell me which countries have such lavish benefits systems that match the UK for british expats"

Read more: http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...3-never-heard-put-better-2.html#ixzz2I24PwVw3

May be it's you suffer from the same selective reading problem you accuse me of
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My point being how is taking money from our economy and not paying your taxes any different from falsely claiming incapacit benefit, social benefit, housing benefit etc any different?

or is it because these companies are of a advantage to you that you refuse to accept they do no wrong?

 

[imago]

Your being creamed basically, by those that can't speak English, often with no intention of learning, have no useful skills, absolutely no intention of embracing a western way of life, and would bring absolutely no benefit to any future prosperity of the UK.

Absolutely spot on, a perfect description of the useless scrounging wasters.

At least we have the immigrants coming in to redress the balance though.