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Im newly qualified but haven’t come across a house wiring as old as this one and would appreciate any advice you can throw my way,

House is approx. 80 years old and still has original CU fitted, couple (friends) don’t want to start thinking about rewire etc at their stage of life, but my main concern is to make the outside wiring attached safer than I think it is at the moment.
Old style CU with wireable fuse carriers, all carriers are labelled 5 amp but have different fuse wire used depending on circuit. Reason for this was they haven’t changed the carriers in all the years they have lived there and all socket circuits initially ran from 5 amp fuses, they found problems when they started using more modern electric heaters etc years back. thankfully has the savvy to remember to use appropriate fuse wire rather than just fitting 5 amp like the carrier suggests.

Radial Circuit to garage
2.5 cable although in 5amp carrier has 15amp fuse wire used and runs as a radial to firstly a double socket upstairs and then from there runs outside to garage. Approx. 30ft run of cable.
Circuit goes to a very old style wireable fuse carrier with 15 amp fuse wire, from there 2.5mm cable runs to a junction box where 2.5mm is again connected and runs off as another radial to two double sockets. From same junc box 1.5mm cable is also used to run off to two internal lights and a further 3 outside security lights.
So as it stands they have a lighting circuit and a socket circuit attached on same circuit from main CU with an inline 15 amp fuse carrier box and then also protected by a 15 amp in main CU.
My initial idea was to at least install a new garage CU with a 6amp MCB for lighting circuit and a 16amp MCB for the sockets but doubting that now.
yes the outside fuse is lower rating rather than higher thankfully but they are looking at buying a freezer and possible tumble dryer to use in garage and I have concerns that current circuit will cope.
Any advice please would be appreciated
 
a continuity & insulation test is advisable here....

together with a thorough inspection....

dont forget...that anything you modify/extend (and this includes adding points/accessories)..needs to be proven as being good for continued service....
 
Im newly qualified but haven’t come across a house wiring as old as this one and would appreciate any advice you can throw my way,

House is approx. 80 years old and still has original CU fitted, couple (friends) don’t want to start thinking about rewire etc at their stage of life, but my main concern is to make the outside wiring attached safer than I think it is at the moment.
Old style CU with wireable fuse carriers, all carriers are labelled 5 amp but have different fuse wire used depending on circuit. Reason for this was they haven’t changed the carriers in all the years they have lived there and all socket circuits initially ran from 5 amp fuses, they found problems when they started using more modern electric heaters etc years back. thankfully has the savvy to remember to use appropriate fuse wire rather than just fitting 5 amp like the carrier suggests.

Radial Circuit to garage
2.5 cable although in 5amp carrier has 15amp fuse wire used and runs as a radial to firstly a double socket upstairs and then from there runs outside to garage. Approx. 30ft run of cable.
Circuit goes to a very old style wireable fuse carrier with 15 amp fuse wire, from there 2.5mm cable runs to a junction box where 2.5mm is again connected and runs off as another radial to two double sockets. From same junc box 1.5mm cable is also used to run off to two internal lights and a further 3 outside security lights.
So as it stands they have a lighting circuit and a socket circuit attached on same circuit from main CU with an inline 15 amp fuse carrier box and then also protected by a 15 amp in main CU.
My initial idea was to at least install a new garage CU with a 6amp MCB for lighting circuit and a 16amp MCB for the sockets but doubting that now.
yes the outside fuse is lower rating rather than higher thankfully but they are looking at buying a freezer and possible tumble dryer to use in garage and I have concerns that current circuit will cope.
Any advice please would be appreciated


From what you are describing, it's at this stage of your friends life, that electrical safety becomes essential. This house installation is already sounding like a death trap just waiting to happen!!

Unfortunately you can only give your best advice, you can't make them take heed and bite the bullet by having an essential rewire and an upto date enhanced protection CU etc. Bit like the horse and water thing. ..lol!!
 
I would at least carry an EICR on the place first ,if its 80 years old the wiring may be in rubber sound like a rewire is on the cards


thanks for the reply thankfully at some point it has been rewired as pvc sheathed but cores old style red/black and yes a think a full test of the system is in order before i do anything more. Once tested i personally think that a new CU is in order at least before i go any further.
 
yes many thanks for this i think that i need a further discussion with them on this one, i can appreciate that dont want the upevil of a total rewire and it may not need it but definitely needs at least a new CU and the wiring to outside updated really dont like the way it has been done at the moment. am i right in thinking that they still sell plug in MCB's so at least i can run a new circuit to outside from the old CU to a new garage CU and make the outside circuits safer that way.??
 
After 80 years of additions and alterations, and from what you're describing, i don't think there is much doubt about the need for a complete rewire. the minute you start disturbing that old wiring will be the start of experiencing problems, that's almost a guarantee... If this installation has a Wylex 3036 CU, it won't be the original fuse box, they came in around the early 1950's...

Don't assume anything, let your test equipment and a thorough visual inspection give you the all important answers, that you then need to share with your elderly friends....
 
yes going with your advice thank you going to do full test first and go from there, as for sharing with my elderly friends its one elderly to another lol just started late

many thanks for all your help
 
From what you are describing, it's at this stage of your friends life, that electrical safety becomes essential. This house installation is already sounding like a death trap just waiting to happen!!

Unfortunately you can only give your best advice, you can't make them take heed and bite the bullet by having an essential rewire and an upto date enhanced protection CU etc. Bit like the horse and water thing. ..lol!!

yep...

Horse:....4 points of contact...

Water:....need we say more...?
 
yes going with your advice thank you going to do full test first and go from there, as for sharing with my elderly friends its one elderly to another lol just started late

many thanks for all your help
IR and R2 (method 2)....

dont waste time with (R1 R2)...not necessary....

go for a loop...Ze....then a Zs at all points served (to prove polarity)....

watch out for edisson screw fittings that are reverse polarity wont you...

whats the cutout here by the way?
 
After 80 years of additions and alterations, and from what you're describing, i don't think there is much doubt about the need for a complete rewire. the minute you start disturbing that old wiring will be the start of experiencing problems, that's almost a guarantee... If this installation has a Wylex 3036 CU, it won't be the original fuse box, they came in around the early 1950's...

Don't assume anything, let your test equipment and a thorough visual inspection give you the all important answers, that you then need to share with your elderly friends....
1952...
 
it wouldnt take much to damage a swa and u dont know by who (kids stabbing or trying to cut it). its what i prefer to do u can follow the regs and no more if you want.
 
it wouldnt take much to damage a swa and u dont know by who (kids stabbing or trying to cut it). its what i prefer to do u can follow the regs and no more if you want.

So you would advocate always protecting a buried SWA with an RCD? Daz

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any way i finish at 3 so till monday see u laters suckers hahaha

I still say you are way younger than you claim. :devilish: Daz
 
So you would advocate always protecting a buried SWA with an RCD?

Thats the beauty about this game. If you think the situation warrants it you do it, if you dont you dont -- unless its an implicit regulation requirement!. No right or wrong to it as its your 'professional' opinion as to what is required based on what you see the situation as ...... or something around those words!
 
Please quote me any reg numbers...

Think of it as a sub main run with SWA.
Would you RCD protect the SWA cables to a rack of DBs in a hotel, say?
I suspect not.
 
After reading the initial OP my advice would be to confirm the age of the installation and be 100% about that, as E54 rightly pointed out the installation in parts could be 60 years old due to the consumer unit, I suspect it is all ages as Modifications must have taken place over the years, if it is indeed over 40 years then I would recommend a full rewire to the customer at that age, any less and yes I would suggest a EICR. MIke
 
Barsteward! I'm going to have to have a go at Biff.
May as well resign now.
Trouble is for me buddy, is the fact I cannot spend time playing the game, yes I could play tonight and probably play for an hour, but it could be Tuesday before I could move again, hence the 3 day game you get bored with and to be fair rightly so. I have a complicated Life, a lot of Bullsh&t, and to add, time away from reality for periods of long time, this is why I canny play any quicker and often lose interest LOL. I Blame Builders and architects for all my troubles and my lack of skill playing chess haha
 
This is referring back to the opening post
quote
all socket circuits initially ran from 5 amp fuses, they found problems when they started using more modern electric heaters etc years back. thankfully has the savvy to remember to use appropriate fuse wire rather than just fitting 5 amp like the carrier suggests.

Please explain/expand on what you mean by that statement
 
Back to the OP - do you have a photo of the board/head? Could be interesting viewing and if you try and do an EICR ......... it could be a very short one!
 
This is referring back to the opening post
quote
all socket circuits initially ran from 5 amp fuses, they found problems when they started using more modern electric heaters etc years back. thankfully has the savvy to remember to use appropriate fuse wire rather than just fitting 5 amp like the carrier suggests.

Please explain/expand on what you mean by that statement

Good point - I never read that one properly. Is he saying 'someone savvy' changed the 5A fuse wire for 15A fuse wire because it kept blowing ???? The mind boggles !! Daz
 
I'd also like to Know what it was wired in ? could be the lead sheathed stuff, :)
i bet though if you zappt that lead sheathed cable....you would find it was good for continued service...

VIR can in some cases still be OK...for another few years....

depends on how hard a life it has had....and the installation methods etc...
 
i bet though if you zappt that lead sheathed cable....you would find it was good for continued service...

VIR can in some cases still be OK...for another few years....

depends on how hard a life it has had....and the installation methods etc...

I have seen the stuff fall apart in your hands.
 
it wouldnt take much to damage a swa and u dont know by who (kids stabbing or trying to cut it). its what i prefer to do u can follow the regs and no more if you want.
Where the B-jesus do you live with kids stabbing SWA. Why aren't they glue sniffing and setting fire to buildings?!
 

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