remedial work after an EICR was carried out on a residential property

[SparkyChick]

I was trying to reply earlier whilst rewiring a hotel bathroom, but it was a carp job working through a 2 foot suspended ceiling tile at the top of my steps covered in cobwebs and fan gunk, so I was a bit irritated and my reply was a bit lacking.

@hightower and @westward10 have summed it up nicely

I particularly like the new acronym... one for the 18th you reckon?

 

[hightower]

I particularly like the new acronym... one for the 18th you reckon?

I was waiting for someone to come along and ask what it stands for, but it must be quite obvious.

 

[SparkyChick]

I was waiting for someone to come along and ask what it stands for, but it must be quite obvious.

Didn't take me long

 

[Pete999]

Didn't take me long

Tell me it's to early for quizzes and I have just taken my Meds

 

[SparkyChick]

Electrical Installation Condition Report And Fix For **** All

Or something like that

 

[hightower]

Or something like that

Nope, exactly like that

 

[Had8Lives]

I think with the example of the socket hanging off, if the client was not contactable and the face plate screw holes were not re tappable, I would remove the socket, put the wires into wagos and silicone a blank plate over the back box.

 

[Diddy]

Here is a similar scenario (Real life apparently - appeared on facebook electricians group).
Copy & Paste -
Customer today complaining about loss of power to property.
First few things I notice. The fishy smell coming from under the stairs, the thermal damage I spot on the Wylex rewireable fuse board when I turn my torch on and finally the swa that has been dogged into the board. The guy proudly tells me he did it on Saturday for his shed. "That's the proper stuff isn't it?" He proudly said.
As he is saying this a little flame shows itself inside the board, almost like someone had turned on a lighter inside it. I spot it inbetween the fuse carriers. Turn the main switch off and remove The cover. The fuse carriers crumbled in my hands. The cables have melted on to each other on pretty much every circuit.
"Can you repair it?"
"No. You need a new board buddy"
"That sounds very expensive. Can you just do a temporary repair till I can afford it? Use connector blocks or something?"
I tell him I won't as I wouldn't be able to sleep at night doing stuff like that.
"Come on mate I've got kids here!"
I told him he needed a new board and an eicr but I could rig up a spare garage unit and just get the lights and maybe a few sockets on but he refused because he didn't want to pay more than the hours call out. I fill out a danger notice and get him to sign it and take payment for the hours call out.
As I left he told me he's gonna call the police and trading standards on me.


Sorry for the long story but it's proper bugged me since I went to it. Am I a ---- for leaving him and his family without anything or has he pretty much called it on himself by being a have a go hero and pulling an swa in for his garage he was building and ----ing up the already knackered board?


The guys on the group basically said they would have done the same....Are we all in agreement too ?
I think the guy was correct in what he done.

 

[DPG]

The guy was left with no option. The only other thing I would do is take some pictures of it as it was just in case.

 

[westward10]

Nope I would have walked away and thought no more of it. He caused the problem not you, I don't fall for this I've got kids and family blah blah.

 

[Anthony_wayne]

Please put me and my family at risk till I can afford to pay for it to be done safely.

Yeah why not

 

[hightower]

"I've got kids"

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm not doing it.

 

[SparkyChick]

Clearly the customer was a prize plum and the guy gave him a solution which he declined and so the spark did the only thing he could do and from the sounds of it handled it much better than I would have done in similar circumstances.

I think my retort to his 'I've got kids in here' would have been 'well you bloody well should have thought of them before you nearly burnt your house down with your DIY antics!'. And if he refused to pay afterwards, so be it.

I agree with @DPG , definitely take pictures in this kind of scenario to provide a nice cast iron lining to ones work trousers to avoid an a$$ kicking down the line.

The only other thing I thought about is the DNO. Would they be prepared to come and pull the fuse on the guy do you think? But given his apparent propensity for DIY efforts, he'd probably end up with a cut down six inch nail in the fuse carrier and a pile of ash where his house once stood!

 

[buzzlightyear]

well said HT, could not say better then that post 19.its down to the person ordering the work not you.
the 1st tester did the eicr you are their to put eicr wright, ask the customer
would he or her take a car down the road from a garage with out any wheels on .

 

[leep82]

Wow lots of replies since i last checked. All makes for good reading. Currently on the same job doing the remedial work and came across somthing today and would love to know people thoughts. It hasnt been picked up as an observation but could somebody please explain why it wouldnt/shouldnt be given a C1. Basically in a communal lounge area there are several wall lights, all with bayonet type lamp holders although none have lamps fitted, leaving live bare conductors accesible to touch. Obviously fitting a lamp resolves the issue, but the maintenance man on site informs me that they havnt had lamps in them for years and only the ceiling fittings are used in that room.

 

[westward10]

Lamp holders escape the requirements for barriers over live parts, see Reg 416.2.4.
Even fitting lamps will not prevent the fact there is direct access to live parts, you would need to assess the nature of persons living there as to whether enclosed luminaires are more appropriate.