USA politics, recent events.

[Darkwood]

Biden repeatedly questioned in the election run up whether if president he would stack the supreme court, a method constitutionally frowned on and a clear move that is made to rig the legal system.
At every step he either refused to answer or made unclear comments.

BIden is now president, already making large steps to stack the courts... you would only do this for political reasons to subvert the law to favour any trial that you needed to.
Biden puts questionable people in charge of the system that is going to see his son been prosecuted over the Burisma saga and child ---- images.

Anyone seeing the links yet, his son found to have been in receipt of briberies and child ----, some of the evidence linked the President too, if he can destroy the case against his son then he can also get a home free run himself.

Talk about been the Judge and the Jury on your own son's case.. meanwhile just released is an interview that exposes child abuse throughout the deep state including many figures mentioned in this thread already.

The USA is a mess, the media are political zombies, big tech is crushing conservative opinions, court systems are rigged and 3 months later even under court orders States are still refusing to hand over ballots and machines for audit....OH and btw Biden has signed EO's that can bring in new laws that allow the audits of the ballots to be blocked legally and for the illegal votes that judges has recently announced were in fact illegal can now be counted.

I don't care what side of the coin you sit here but you have to admit that this is corrupt throughout and people wonder why half the country is peed off.

Trump in his 4 yr term never once stacked the courts or brought in laws to subvert the results of ongoing trials, imagine if he had and the outrage yet Biden does it and no news coverage.

All I ask here is those who don't believe the election was rigged then answer 1 simple question, why won't they hand the Ballots over, this would have proven they were legitimate as they claimed 3months ago and Trump would of accepted it, 3 months later and still refuse to release them - WHY ?.. a definite way to prove it wasn't rigged... or the only way to show it was..actions and words here, actions speak louder.

 

[snowhead]

Trump in his 4 yr term never once stacked the courts or brought in laws to subvert the results of ongoing trials, imagine if he had and the outrage yet Biden does it and no news coverage.

It may not be defined as stacking, but Trump rushing through the appointment of Coney Barratt in record time to beef up the majority the Republicans already had was an insurance policy for him incase he needed the Supreme Court, was that not outrageous?

Fortunately Justice won out as it most likely would if the Court had a Democrat majority and the Supreme Court ruled against Trump.

 

[Paul L]

Didn't Trump pardon a load of his mates who had been convicted of crimes recently? What's that all about?,I'm happy to be enlightened as to why it's morally acceptable

 

[Darkwood]

The US politics like I have mentioned before is not like ours, there are many political prisoners caught in weighted legal decisions and it is common for any leaving president to reset the system so to say.

Trump granted clemency (pardon) to 143 people mostly caught up in political games and a corrupt judicial system that was weighted in the Dem's favour.. he actually was very selective and careful who he pardoned given the scrutiny he was under and his choices were not a surprise or any real scandal.
In reflection obama gave clemency to over 1900 people and there was many questionable decisions but the media are not really bothered scrutinising Obama as they are all part of the same Deep State system.

The fact the media spent little time of the list of Trump Pardons shows there wasn't any real shockers or scandalous choices.

 

[nicebutdim]

Didn't Trump pardon a load of his mates who had been convicted of crimes recently? What's that all about?,I'm happy to be enlightened as to why it's morally acceptable

It's common for departing presidents to issue pardons.

You might want to look at the pardons issued by Trump and several of his predecessors.



Edit: Note to self - read all new posts before responding.

 

[Paul L]

Thought you were gonna say that ?. This thread just seems to be one rule for whichever side you are on and one rule for the other. I'm not saying that the Democrats are much better but I know what I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears over the last 4 years and that's enough for me to form my own opinion.

 

[Darkwood]

It may not be defined as stacking, but Trump rushing through the appointment of Coney Barratt in record time to beef up the majority the Republicans already had was an insurance policy for him incase he needed the Supreme Court, was that not outrageous?

Fortunately Justice won out as it most likely would if the Court had a Democrat majority and the Supreme Court ruled against Trump.

What trump did was by the book, he also rebalanced some of the system but never stacked it, what Biden is attempting to do is against what the constitution was designed to do, it is one of the main reasons the constitution was drafted to stop what Biden is trying to do, this is why he refused to mention or answer it in the election run ups, Americans hold their constitution very dear and he would throw away his chances by saying he was going to stack the courts.
Now he is in is he is setting the ball rolling to do exactly that, and it is upsetting not only the opposition but many of the democrats. This is taking the US into what can only be called communism.
Just look at what is occurring -
Silence the opposition and suppress the public freedom of speech (Parler removed, Trump removed and thousands of account closed on twitter almost all on the conservative side)
Take political control of the courts (Biden is doing that)
Those that question and oppose be arrested even for speech or posts (man arrested for a meme he posted against hillary 4 yrs ago).

It is now becoming apparent the national guard is there to protect Biden/demcrats not from Trump fans but from everyone, his actions have not just upset republicans who I may add are not rioting over it but he has upset BLM and Antifa and thousands who have had their jobs destroyed on EO's he siged, since the inauguration Antifa have been rioting and trashing democrat buildings across the country as they realise they have been used as political pawns and now they have been let down by democrat promises they are back to violence and protests... bet you haven't even heard that in the news have you.

 

[Darkwood]

Thought you were gonna say that ?. This thread just seems to be one rule for whichever side you are on and one rule for the other. I'm not saying that the Democrats are much better but I know what I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears over the last 4 years and that's enough for me to form my own opinion.

And you are welcome t have and share those opinions as is how we normally refine our look on life, all I ask is when you say you know what seen and heard may I ask are we talking through the media because that is the worst place to get a real view.
Like I said earlier, I prefer to watch professional law experts give feedback on events and legal cases, it very rarely matches what you see from the media and in fact it's a massive eye opener to how biased all media is and that is on both side of the spectrum not just one.

A good starting point and a guy who simplifies and explains the legal jargon is Viva Frei, he is on a few platforms but you'll find him doing almost daily uploads in youtube.
Have a gander at the parler/amazon review and witness how the judge made a 'political' decision in Amazon's favour completely exposing how the system is been manipulated to take out the conservative voice and any company that tries to oppose it.

 

[Paul L]

I'm just a simple fella darkwood and I just don't like the tone of lots of words I've actually seen him say over the years. It's just the way I roll in life but I absolutely respect what you are saying,you are way more knowledgeable about this than me. I've just always had this aversion to the brash almost mocking tone that he seems to be an exponent of. It takes all sorts to make a world though and I know I'm taking a simplistic view of this so I'll just shut up now lol ?

 

[Darkwood]

I agree @Paul L and for the first few yrs I was 100% behind your school of thought then I started seeing what his policies and actions were doing for the US and never saw these positive stories ever on the news so I dug deeper and it totally opened up a massive can of worms and then I realised that not only the US media but our own was unfairly targeting Trump by only posting negative stories.
Yes he is a verbal idiot, yes he doesn't carry himself like a real politician but he did one thing no recent president has done, he put the people before the big tech and that is why he beat employment records, economy records, got more blacks into education than any other president etc ..
If he was this person that we are told then why do 80million people still support him after he has left and why do all the figures he achieved destroy all recent achievements by any other president.
That was the reason I posted that achievement list, non of my mates had ever even known of any of them and given he helped broker 4 peace deals that other presidents had failed to do you have to ask a lot of questions as to why we are been spoon fed nothing but negatives.
The same mates of mine didn't even know there is corruption and pedo allegations against Hunter Biden or the sexual allegation against his dad 'the President' these cases are active yet it now seems Biden is setting the cases up to fail. Trump could have done this with the Russia allegations but he didn't need to because he wasn't guilty and was cleared but only after yrs of claims.
If you want to stick by your views I will think no less of you as that is your right but I do like to show there is 2 sides to every story and US politics is by far one complicated cookie.

 

[nicebutdim]

Oddly enough I was also opposed to Trump when he won the presidency, although I felt the choice between him and Hillary was pretty much impossible for Americans. I thought US politics needed a kick up the backside, and that he would provide this, but I didn't expect him to do much for US citizens.

He certainly provided a shake up and his continued brash attitude came as no surprise, but I started to realise that his policies were actually having an effect on the lives of many of those Americans to whom no one listened.

As the Russian allegations started to look shakey and it became apparent that many of his opponents weren't interested in any of his successes, but simply wanted to oppose his every action, I began to watch more closely.

After four years he was still the same braggart, but that side of his personality was no longer as brash as it had been - not that I think he was a different person, but that he'd learnt a little about politics. While the last four years saw a lot of anger, this was often about nothing of substance. Right now I think we're going to see much of the same anger, but possibly for good reason - who know? This might all blow over and everything goes back to the old routine, but equally matters could become worse. One thing I've long been certain of is that Biden isn't going to do much other than what he is told by persons unknown - it's pretty clear that he isn't capable, so who is writing these executive orders?

It's also interesting to note that where antifa rioters were previously being released without bail, for all but the most serious of charges, they're now facing much more robust charges and are less likely to be released after processing. These decisions are being taken at a mayoral level as before, yet those roles are still occupied by the same people.

Now matter what anyone's politcal views are, I think events in the US are worth keeping a close eye on.

 

[Paul L]

I'm happy to correct my earlier inference regarding Trumps pardoning of people. I now note that all previous presidents of both parties have always done this and Barak Obama had the highest amount i believe. I should have looked into that a bit more (maybe proving your points about finding out correct information).
I will never be a fan of Trumps for my simplistic reasoning previously stated but i cant blame him for everything. Have a good day ?.

 

[Midwest]

I agree @Paul L and for the first few yrs I was 100% behind your school of thought then I started seeing what his policies and actions were doing for the US and never saw these positive stories ever on the news so I dug deeper and it totally opened up a massive can of worms and then I realised that not only the US media but our own was unfairly targeting Trump by only posting negative stories.
Yes he is a verbal idiot, yes he doesn't carry himself like a real politician but he did one thing no recent president has done, he put the people before the big tech and that is why he beat employment records, economy records, got more blacks into education than any other president etc ..
If he was this person that we are told then why do 80million people still support him after he has left and why do all the figures he achieved destroy all recent achievements by any other president.
That was the reason I posted that achievement list, non of my mates had ever even known of any of them and given he helped broker 4 peace deals that other presidents had failed to do you have to ask a lot of questions as to why we are been spoon fed nothing but negatives.
The same mates of mine didn't even know there is corruption and pedo allegations against Hunter Biden or the sexual allegation against his dad 'the President' these cases are active yet it now seems Biden is setting the cases up to fail. Trump could have done this with the Russia allegations but he didn't need to because he wasn't guilty and was cleared but only after yrs of claims.
If you want to stick by your views I will think no less of you as that is your right but I do like to show there is 2 sides to every story and US politics is by far one complicated cookie.

I‘ve just Googled that, most of the hits suggest they are false allegations. Where do you get your information from?

 

[nicebutdim]

I‘ve just Googled that, most of the hits suggest they are false allegations. Where do you get your information from?

Some of the allegations surrounding Hunter Biden are difficult to substantiate for legal reasons (images involving kids). Apparently some non-explicit images have been circulated that have been described as vile and indefensible. It is alleged that these are the tip of that particular iceberg, but I've no desire to view them for obvious reasons.

The corruption allegations stem from emails released after a computer repairer handed a laptop to US authorites (non payment of repair bill by Hunter Biden meant that laptop subsequently passed into ownership of the repairer). This story broke, along with some leaked emails, prior to the election and main stream media reported nothing. One notable exception was the New York Post, whose Twitter account was locked due to claims over Authenticity of these emails. NY Post refused to back down and their account was finally unlocked (several days) after authenticity was confirmed. After the election, some noises were made about the story within the main stream media, but ultimately they dropped the whole thing.

The emails implicate Hunter and also Joe Biden's brother. What hasn't been substantiated is the claim that a party regularly referred to as "the big man" is none other than Joe Biden, although a former business partner of Hunter's has gone on record stating that Joe Biden was always to be referred to by this name in all communications.

Who knows what the actual truth is, but I find it rather odd that this story involving authenticated information has been mostly ignored by the media.

 

[Midwest]

Well for the most part, most of the hits on google, up to two pages in were saying, in effect it was all false allegations, the child sex thing.

 

[nicebutdim]

Well for the most part, most of the hits on google, up to two pages in were saying, in effect it was all false allegations, the child sex thing.

I don't dispute that.

In fact, I'd expect as much considering all the work that went into suppressing this story during the run up to the election.

 

[Midwest]

I don't dispute that.

In fact, I'd expect as much considering all the work that went into suppressing this story during the run up to the election.

So where's the evidence for that, suppressing the story?

 

[Darkwood]

Big tech is involved in this suppression, think about that.

When you search you use a search engine, if that search engine is suppressing certain information and sites then how do you know it is, you will simply believe the direction it heads you and almost certainly it will push you to information that suits its own agenda.
If you were privy enough to see or witness he evidence you are left in no doubt this is real and not what you see as the top listings on your search engine would have your believe.
Remember even the fact checker sites are run by people of the liberal left and they very carefully word things to give a certain impression while conveniently leaving out vital information, they do not exactly lie but they push a narrative to push you to think a certain way and is why people like Candace Owens a spoken out conservative voice has successfully sued these platforms in the past.

Let's say we have a social media platform that refuses to align with the Silicon Valley view, we did, in fact we have on a few occasions and what happens is an orchestrated attack that wipes them off the face of the digital world.
This happened several years ago with a platform called Gab and more recently with Parler, neither of these sites had content on them that couldn't be found on Twitter but it wasn't about the content, it was about the fact the deep state couldn't control them the way they have with big tech so an orchestrated attack was done. Gab actually rebuilt itself to be totally independent from the rest of the tech and they now have no way of pulling the plug on Gab, Parler however were riding on the very systems of big tech that supported its forum, they removed the apps, they cut off the servers and blocked the addresses all because Parler wouldn't play ball, the irony here is Twitter are far from angels themselves ... in fact none of the popular platforms are but here are 2 reports and it beggars belief that twitter has the audacity to criticise Parler and its content yet still remain in the app store even though ... see below.

Twitter Shares Child Abuse Content On Social Media: IWF

The UK-based Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) has revealed that nearly half of the child abuse content in the social media space is being shared openly on micro-blogging platform Twitter.According to a report in The Telegraph that accessed the IWF data, 49 per cent of the images, videos and url...

www.newsgram.com

Twitter refused to remove child ---- because it didn’t ‘violate policies’: lawsuit - https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-sued-for-allegedly-refusing-to-remove-child-----/

What you see on the internet if it is politically conscious or doesn't follow the liberal far left agenda pushed by silicon valley and the deep state will be removed while they happily turn the other cheek to companies that bow down to their instructions and it doesn't matter how hypocritical they are or how guilty they are of the same or even worse.

 

[nicebutdim]

So where's the evidence for that, suppressing the story?

The post above gives a fairly good account of how these things happen.

Not sure how I can prove that a story was suppressed. Some people save before and after screen shots of stories that have been heavily edited or removed entirely, but I'm not really concerned about going to those lengths in order to win a later argument.

 

[Midwest]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.

 

[littlespark]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.

Surely we all believe in something we want to believe in???
Are you telling me Santa Claus isn’t real???

 

[Darkwood]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important than losing to Trump.

 

[telectrix]

Surely we all believe in something we want to believe in???
Are you telling me Santa Claus isn’t real???

next thing is we'll be told is that Star Trek is fiction.

 

[littlespark]

next thing is we'll be told is that Star Trek is fiction.

“Live Long and prosper”

I reckon you’re half way there, @telectrix

 

[telectrix]

“Live Long and prosper”

I reckon you’re half way there, @telectrix

no need for formality. "Tel" will do. ??

 

[GBDamo]

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important that losing to Trump.

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

 

[Darkwood]

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

True - many occasions over the yrs I have often thought it is better to actually live in ignorance and just enjoy the basics of life than to know what is really going on although I don't really discuss this outside of the online world, when friends and family have lived in this media and government created bubble for decades it isn't easy to change their whole perception of the real world and is why it is a hard pill to swallow at first.

Most conspiracies out there are stupid and clearly reserved to the realms of crazy people but one has to realise that conspiracy is a convenient tag to help hide an uncomfortable truth especially by those in power and control.

 

[FatAlan]

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important than losing to Trump.

What I object to strongly is the right wing insinuation specifically highlighting child grooming gangs to Muslim communities. Yes there have been grooming gangs linked to muslim communities but is this anymore prevalent than any other community? All the perverts I arrested were all dirty old white anglo saxons. I can tell you for a fact that across the board kids in care, due to lack of support and supervision have always been exposed to exploitation... a clear failure of our social service resourcing. Go back a few years and these children were treated as problem offenders due to the disruption they caused in communities due to drugs, theft and disorder. No one actually looked at the causes. What you have seen is a change on policing and social culture in the last few years. These kids would/do not talk or cooperate with police so bringing about prosecutions was extremely difficult. Its only in recent years that changes in legislation have enabled victims more support in giving evidence and also the ability to bring about victim-less prosecutions.

 

[GBDamo]

....Most conspiracies out there are stupid and clearly reserved to the realms of crazy people but one has to realise that conspiracy is a convenient tag to help hide an uncomfortable truth especially by those in power and control.

Damo's first law of conspiracy theories;-

"The closer you are to the truth the greater the proportion of what you read is bollux"

Pretty much all conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth then two things happen. One, deliberately misinformation is sewn and two, the internet goes into meltdown about it.

 

[GBDamo]

What I object to strongly is the right wing insinuation specifically highlighting child grooming gangs to Muslim communities. Yes there have been grooming gangs linked to muslim communities but is this anymore prevalent than any other community? All the perverts I arrested were all dirty old white anglo saxons. I can tell you for a fact that across the board kids in care, due to lack of support and supervision have always been exposed to exploitation... a clear failure of our social service resourcing. Go back a few years and these children were treated as problem offenders due to the disruption they caused in communities due to drugs, theft and disorder. No one actually looked at the causes. What you have seen is a change on policing and social culture in the last few years. These kids would/do not talk or cooperate with police so bringing about prosecutions was extremely difficult. Its only in recent years that changes in legislation have enabled victims more support in giving evidence and also the ability to bring about victim-less prosecutions.

Its no the noncing, as you point out, there are many more white nonces but these tend to be solo nonces operating from positions of familiarity on an opportunity.

The issue with Asian gangs is that there is a racist element, one that the establishment does not want to recognise let alone tackle. White girls are seen as trash and acceptable targets by far too many in these communities while their own young women are locked up and married off to uncles in some Stan somewhere.

Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.

 

[electric al]

Depends whose " truth and reality" we are buying into

 

[FatAlan]

Damo's first law of conspiracy theories;-

"The closer you are to the truth the greater the proportion of what you read is bollux"

Pretty much all conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth then two things happen. One, deliberately misinformation is sewn and two, the internet goes into meltdown about it.

Too true. I've worked on some very high profile investigations in the past. Often there were headlines based on "leaked info' to the national press. This was however, quite reassuring because it confirmed that there were no leaks as the headlines were, as you say ....bollux ?

 

[FatAlan]

Its no the noncing, as you point out, there are many more white nonces but these tend to be solo nonces operating from positions of familiarity on an opportunity.

The issue with Asian gangs is that there is a racist element, one that the establishment does not want to recognise let alone tackle. White girls are seen as trash and acceptable targets by far too many in these communities while their own young women are locked up and married off to uncles in some Stan somewhere.

Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.

Where is the evidence of that?

Police investigate the allegation infront of them and as I've said, a few years back, if the victims weren't cooperating or engaging the investigations were not pushed forward. There may well have been a racist element to those particular gangs and their young white girl targets were probably more accessible. Who's not to say that there isn't a similar level insular abuse within those communities as well.

Are muslim gangs more prevalent than Eastern European, African, Asian, British, Irish gangs that exploit young women. Surely those involved in criminality within communities reflect the communities they are in?

'Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.' ....Divisive right wing bollox ... are you saying young Asian men are more horny than white guys.. although that probably is true for Tommy Robinson supporters! ?

 

[GBDamo]

Where is the evidence of that?

Police investigate the allegation infront of them and as I've said, a few years back, if the victims weren't cooperating or engaging the investigations were not pushed forward. There may well have been a racist element to those particular gangs and their young white girl targets were probably more accessible. Who's not to say that there isn't a similar level insular abuse within those communities as well.

Are muslim gangs more prevalent than Eastern European, African, Asian, British, Irish gangs that exploit young women. Surely those involved in criminality within communities reflect the communities they are in?

'Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.' ....Divisive right wing bollox ... are you saying young Asian men are more horny than white guys.. although that probably is true for Tommy Robinson supporters! ?

No, not at all, just we live in a highly sexualised world, temptation is everywhere, and western women have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage and with whom they like, meaning white men have access.

When you have a highly religious and exclusive community that see their females as pure and chaste and not to be touched until married, then married off outside the immediate community, you have a lot of horny males with no access.

As many of these work in the night-time economy then there are opportunities but with women they see as ------.

Its not healthy and not surprising so many cross the line between immoral and illegal, and that the community keeps quiet.

 

[nicebutdim]

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

I've been exceptionally careful with the wording of some posts.

There are occasions when it's better to be dismissed or ignored, than bear the cost of winning an argument.

 

[Darkwood]

What I object to strongly is the right wing insinuation specifically highlighting child grooming gangs to Muslim communities. Yes there have been grooming gangs linked to muslim communities but is this anymore prevalent than any other community? All the perverts I arrested were all dirty old white anglo saxons. I can tell you for a fact that across the board kids in care, due to lack of support and supervision have always been exposed to exploitation... a clear failure of our social service resourcing. Go back a few years and these children were treated as problem offenders due to the disruption they caused in communities due to drugs, theft and disorder. No one actually looked at the causes. What you have seen is a change on policing and social culture in the last few years. These kids would/do not talk or cooperate with police so bringing about prosecutions was extremely difficult. Its only in recent years that changes in legislation have enabled victims more support in giving evidence and also the ability to bring about victim-less prosecutions.

I think we are going way off topic here, what you raise is for its own thread and discussion and when I posted the examples I was not trying to make this about race and grooming gangs, it was to demonstrate how information is suppressed all the time from all sides, I even gave examples of charities into the mix which tends to be committed by white males under the guise of charity care workers..
My post was not to drag up a row over who commits the most offenses but simply to demonstrate the media, the government, police, councils, care services etc are all guilty of suppressing the truth and are themselves thus implicit in the continued problem.
I only brought it up as someone raised the question on suppression and if it really does occur like I suggest in USA politics, the best way to demonstrate it does occur is to example home based situations we are all too familiar with.

 

[FatAlan]

I think we are going way off topic here, what you raise is for its own thread and discussion and when I posted the examples I was not trying to make this about race and grooming gangs, it was to demonstrate how information is suppressed all the time from all sides, I even gave examples of charities into the mix which tends to be committed by white males under the guise of charity care workers..
My post was not to drag up a row over who commits the most offenses but simply to demonstrate the media, the government, police, councils, care services etc are all guilty of suppressing the truth and are themselves thus implicit in the continued problem.
I only brought it up as someone raised the question on suppression and if it really does occur like I suggest in USA politics, the best way to demonstrate it does occur is to example home based situations we are all too familiar with.

Agree in some respects that the truth is suppressed but the issue is, that when the truth is suppressed people jump to conclusions, falsify it and then use it to promote their own agendas.

 

[Darkwood]

Agree in some respects that the truth is suppressed but the issue is, that when the truth is suppressed people jump to conclusions, falsify it and then use it to promote their own agendas.

Totally agree 100% but the solution here is for those in influence and power to tell the truth in the first place then those that would manipulate such situation are without a position.

 

[FatAlan]

Totally agree 100% but the solution here is for those in influence and power to tell the truth in the first place then those that would manipulate such situation are without a position.

Preaching to the converted there. Unfortunately the default position of many politicians when caught out is to lie. Seems to be the only profession left that is not held to account for lying. Plenty of police officers have been locked up for lying to cover up honest mistakes when a mere admission of messing up would have meant only a slap on the wrist. Same goes for life in general. ---- happens!

 

[nicebutdim]

US government is currently talking about censorship from big tech companies and I caught this topical exchange from a press conference held by Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis.

 

[electric al]

Trump not guilty .I wonder what the next move will be in the witch hunt ?

 

[Julie.]

Trump not guilty .I wonder what the next move will be in the witch hunt ?

Not really, the vote was guilty by 57 to 43 votes, that's guilty, but by an insufficient majority to convict.

Just like with a trade union voting, if 65% of the members vote; and every one of them votes to strike that is clearly confirmation that the majority of the membership agrees to strike. However by law 66% of the members must take part for a vote to carry so even though the majority vote for that strike, legally it would be unlawful.

You couldn't truly report this as "union votes against strike action", it ought to be "union votes for strike action but with insufficient votes to carry"

No political bias either way on this, but to say he was found not guilty isn't really truthful; he was found guilty, but with insufficient margin to convict, so is free to go. (Guilty but not convicted.)

In Scottish law there are three options guilty, not guilty and "not proven"

This latter option is really the case here, the majority found him guilty, but just like a jury where a certain % are required to convict, it isn't proven.

 

[Darkwood]

It was not a court of law, it was a public show of biased politics, Trump was never citing that riot and here is his defense team that the media forgot to show you when they gave you a biased view of the whole event.

Watch this and tell me this is not a staged muppet show trying to make Trump out to be the perpetrator, meanwhile the Dem's are faking evidence and deliberately taking tweets and speeches out of context.


This is the very reason this is not done in a court, because they needed to fake evidence.

 

[nicebutdim]

This was an interesting interview with Trump's attorney.

 

[GBDamo]

Not really, the vote was guilty by 57 to 43 votes, that's guilty, but by an insufficient majority to convict.

Just like with a trade union voting, if 65% of the members vote; and every one of them votes to strike that is clearly confirmation that the majority of the membership agrees to strike. However by law 66% of the members must take part for a vote to carry so even though the majority vote for that strike, legally it would be unlawful.

You couldn't truly report this as "union votes against strike action", it ought to be "union votes for strike action but with insufficient votes to carry"

No political bias either way on this, but to say he was found not guilty isn't really truthful; he was found guilty, but with insufficient margin to convict, so is free to go. (Guilty but not convicted.)

In Scottish law there are three options guilty, not guilty and "not proven"

This latter option is really the case here, the majority found him guilty, but just like a jury where a certain % are required to convict, it isn't proven.

For what its worth, these days, the writers of the US constitution was very prescient in that they knew partisanship would overcome truth.

The setting of a two third majority would ensure that only the most heinous of misdemeanours would be brought forward for impeachment as it would require such a counter partisan shift to convict that it would be pointless bringing articles to prosecute trivia.

Unfortunately we live now in a world lacking integrity where media optics are king and utter garage is packaged, promoted and presented as fact.

We should be thankful of these last vestiges of sanity that stop the leftist media from running amok and convicting anyone who falls foul of their fragile sensitivities.

 

[andyb]

It was not a court of law, it was a public show of biased politics, Trump was never citing that riot and here is his defense team that the media forgot to show you when they gave you a biased view of the whole event.

Watch this and tell me this is not a staged muppet show trying to make Trump out to be the perpetrator, meanwhile the Dem's are faking evidence and deliberately taking tweets and speeches out of context.


This is the very reason this is not done in a court, because they needed to fake evidence.

Darkwood, you are claiming that the media did not show this clip, that is literally a clip from US public media.

 

[Darkwood]

I was referring to our media, I have watched the BBC and ITV content and they are very weighted in their coverage IE they will happily show the so called evidence that has now been debunked against trump but when we see Trump defense team destroy that evidence we are not updated on the matter nor does the UK MSM show any of it leaving the public with a biased impression.

 

[GBDamo]

Darkwood, you are claiming that the media did not show this clip, that is literally a clip from US public media.

Any comment on the points that clip raises, that is that the Democrat prosecutors doctored tweets and selectively edited speeches to show Trump in a bad light?

Why bother if it is all so clear cut and Trump is literally Hitler?

Why fake things even a little bit?

...and what is not being reported in the media is that the evidence presented to this kangaroo court was faked.

...and even when it was shown by the defense that the evidence was faked 57 senators still voted to impeach.

There is not even a pretense at honour, it is all political games but the stakes are way to high now.

 

[Baddegg]

I think the democrats have made a right mess of this, I have little bias either way and think they are all nuts, I do agree with media outlets leaning to the left, I can’t see how anyone can’t see that even in this country, essentially they witch hunt has made trump stronger as the everyday vote carrying American who supports him will see this as a vindication thus removing any doubt that some of them must’ve had.....and if the democrats couldn’t see this outcome before pushing for the impeachment it beggars belief, guilty.....innocent it makes no difference to the outcome in something like this.......great thread though with good arguments from both sides.
These threads with good natured debate are what make this electricians forum what it is........ermmmm?

 

[GBDamo]

I think the democrats have made a right mess of this, I have little bias either way and think they are all nuts, I do agree with media outlets leaning to the left, I can’t see how anyone can’t see that even in this country, essentially they witch hunt has made trump stronger as the everyday vote carrying American who supports him will see this as a vindication thus removing any doubt that some of them must’ve had.....and if the democrats couldn’t see this outcome before pushing for the impeachment it beggars belief, guilty.....innocent it makes no difference to the outcome in something like this.......great thread though with good arguments from both sides.
These threads with good natured debate are what make this electricians forum what it is........ermmmm?

All this has done is to highlight that hatred and nastiness that runs through the veins of the left. It was never enough to detect Trump, they had to destroy him.