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Hi
New to the forum, so hello everyone!
I thought you might like to see some interesting pictures I've taken yesterday of an installation on a Camp site. I'm now in the process of writing a report for the customer who is being taken to Court by the Electrician (and I use that term very loosely!) who completed the works for non-payment of the whole bill. (£1000 has been paid off the bill). Because the report is for Legal Action, can anyone assist me in the exact regulation failures each fault comes under... I am a fully qualified electrician of 20 years and have never seen such poor workmanship, There's a few reg codes I'm struggling to find in order to have the correct regulation linked to the photos, ie meter tail lengths - these are approximately 10metres long, unfused!!! also, use of connector blocks.
Anyway, enjoy the pictures, and feel free to comment.

This is a link to my photo bucket page for the pictures Electric photos Photos by Mont349 | Photobucket
 
What 's the story behind this? That doesn't look like a recent installation with the corrosion on the terminals and the damaged RCD etc...

I'm concerned with the condensation on the inside of that Unit, not really appropriate for the environmental conditions. I'm not too worried about connector blocks being accessible, but the entry methods to the enclosure is pathetic and not worthy of a professional.
 
I particularly like the low level fuse in the shower, it's handy like that so when the low level fan gets wet and it blows it's easier to replace it.
 
Look guys, it was getting late and I had to get home for the visit by the local council inspector... If I'd not been back in my wheelchair when he came round he'd have docked my disability benefit... Anyone else would have done the same and cut a few corners!

Seriously, was the installer just trying to see if he could break a record for most different brands of MCB on a single board?
 
VoltzElectrical said:
What 's the story behind this? That doesn't look like a recent installation with the corrosion on the terminals and the damaged RCD etc...

I'm concerned with the condensation on the inside of that Unit, not really appropriate for the environmental conditions. I'm not too worried about connector blocks being accessible, but the entry methods to the enclosure is pathetic and not worthy of a professional.
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Hi mate this installation was done at the beginning of last year. The Electrician was recomended to the customer at the time and was asked to upgrade the installation to meet current regulations and this is how he left it!! The customer paid £1000 and refused to pay anymore! The electrician is now taking him to court for non payment. Oh I might add the customer is a solicitor :lol: All I can say is the electrician is very brave :lol:
 
DNS1 said:
Look guys, it was getting late and I had to get home for the visit by the local council inspector... If I'd not been back in my wheelchair when he came round he'd have docked my disability benefit... Anyone else would have done the same and cut a few corners!

Seriously, was the installer just trying to see if he could break a record for most different brands of MCB on a single board?
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:lol: it looks to me like he had a load of old mcb's in the back of his van and just rammbed them in :mad2:
 
S.I.Electrical said:
Hi mate this installation was done at the beginning of last year. The Electrician was recomended to the customer at the time and was asked to upgrade the installation to meet current regulations and this is how he left it!! The customer paid £1000 and refused to pay anymore! The electrician is now taking him to court for non payment. Oh I might add the customer is a solicitor :lol: All I can say is the electrician is very brave :lol:
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That's a newish installation? literally everything in the board is second hand then. I reckon he must have had about 10pints before commencing work, was that up our neck of the woods? regular occurance on parks round here to be honest, shocking.

Obviouslly not applied the zones in the bathroom either...guaranteed he wasn't a sparks, do you know if he was registered with a scam scheme? not sure what he'd use come inspection day if thats the quality of his work so he can't be...guaranteed labourer doing work on the side.
 
as regards the meter tails i'm not aware of any regulation that stipulates the length of them, i think its just the DNO that says they should be 3m, any longer and they require a D/P isolator. 10m probably be fine if given approval by dno and d/p isolator fitted.

(waiting for someone to crucify me)
 
markc123 said:
That's a newish installation? literally everything in the board is second hand then. I reckon he must have had about 10pints before commencing work, was that up our neck of the woods? regular occurance on parks round here to be honest, shocking.

Obviouslly not applied the zones in the bathroom either...guaranteed he wasn't a sparks, do you know if he was registered with a scam scheme? not sure what he'd use come inspection day if thats the quality of his work so he can't be...guaranteed labourer doing work on the side.
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Yeah it is not far from where I live. As far as I know he was ment to be a member of eca.
 
Unless he's subby'd it off to someone he thought was capable under his name (which if is true, means hes a moron anyway)

Can't for the life of me think that was done by anyone registered. It's pi$s poor. Whole lot wants ripping out and starting a fresh.
 
S.I.Electrical said:
Hi
New to the forum, so hello everyone!
I thought you might like to see some interesting pictures I've taken yesterday of an installation on a Camp site. I'm now in the process of writing a report for the customer who is being taken to Court by the Electrician (and I use that term very loosely!) who completed the works for non-payment of the whole bill. (£1000 has been paid off the bill). Because the report is for Legal Action, can anyone assist me in the exact regulation failures each fault comes under... I am a fully qualified electrician of 20 years and have never seen such poor workmanship, There's a few reg codes I'm struggling to find in order to have the correct regulation linked to the photos, ie meter tail lengths - these are approximately 10metres long, unfused!!! also, use of connector blocks.
Anyway, enjoy the pictures, and feel free to comment.

This is a link to my photo bucket page for the pictures Electric photos Photos by Mont349 | Photobucket
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There isn't a specific reg against tails >3m but the relevant ones are:

433.3.1 (iii) & 434.2.1. (i)

No reg against connector blocks as long as they are accessible - and in an enclosure 416.2.1 - enclosure should only be opened with a tool 416.2.4
 
I think you would be wise to have a EICR by a reputable company and on the report the C codes will be in the correct tic boxes referring to the reg numbers that the work has not met and the report can contain as many additional A4 sheets as required. Then demand the grand back and go to court to get more cash to pay a real electrical company to put in right.
 
markc123 said:
Unless he's subby'd it off to someone he thought was capable under his name (which if is true, means hes a moron anyway)

Can't for the life of me think that was done by anyone registered. It's pi$s poor. Whole lot wants ripping out and starting a fresh.
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It is all going to be ripped out and re wired after the court stuff is sorted mate. I,ve disconnected the supply and left it safe.
 
Im only seeing the Outer box being new as hes cut a big hole in the back to fit over the existing DB, what work did he do to say that is £1000 pounds ty very much ROFL, and i love the silicone very sexy, he not quite got the nack with that LMAO....
 
think you are spot on the rest looks dodgy-fan iso inside shower area??-draw out better on back of envelope-could have put new rcd,s in for that money-no need for this!!
 
supertoad said:
think you are spot on the rest looks dodgy-fan iso inside shower area??-draw out better on back of envelope-could have put new rcd,s in for that money-no need for this!!
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Your right mate no need at all. It is daylight robbery and obviously not a electrician so he needs to be stopped before he kills someone :(
 
Looks like the usual mess that camp sites get in when they want everything done on the cheap. I've walked out of one of the local ones after they totally ignored everything I told them. A plumber mate of mine (yes, I did say plumber mate, they're not all bad, just most of them) condemned most of their caravans a few years back. When he drove back later that week, the maintenance knxb was connecting all the gas bottles up. Last year they were trying to get EICR's done on 40 caravans at 20 quid each. 800 quid a week and they want to cut corners all over the place.

This aside, there's some SHOCKING stuff there. Which in particular are you struggling with?
 
Steve_P said:
Looks like the usual mess that camp sites get in when they want everything done on the cheap. I've walked out of one of the local ones after they totally ignored everything I told them. A plumber mate of mine (yes, I did say plumber mate, they're not all bad, just most of them) condemned most of their caravans a few years back. When he drove back later that week, the maintenance knxb was connecting all the gas bottles up. Last year they were trying to get EICR's done on 40 caravans at 20 quid each. 800 quid a week and they want to cut corners all over the place.

This aside, there's some SHOCKING stuff there. Which in particular are you struggling with?
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That sounds like Park Resort's lol.
 
Steve_P said:
Looks like the usual mess that camp sites get in when they want everything done on the cheap. I've walked out of one of the local ones after they totally ignored everything I told them. A plumber mate of mine (yes, I did say plumber mate, they're not all bad, just most of them) condemned most of their caravans a few years back. When he drove back later that week, the maintenance knxb was connecting all the gas bottles up. Last year they were trying to get EICR's done on 40 caravans at 20 quid each. 800 quid a week and they want to cut corners all over the place.

This aside, there's some SHOCKING stuff there. Which in particular are you struggling with?
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To be fair to the owner of the site he has just bought it and wanted it updating before he opened for business. I am on with typing out a visual report but not quite sure now in how to word it :( I would rather do the work than put it on paper! I have stated all the faults and quoted some examples from the regs to what should be done. but not quite sure if this is going to be ok :mad2: I think I will have another go tomorrow.
 
Hardly suprising the test cert failed to surfice isit. Although, that test cert we got posted up on here would match them photo's pretty well.

If you EICR'd that install, i wonder how many ticks you'd actually be able to put on the schedule of inspections lol
 
markc123 said:
Hardly suprising the test cert failed to surfice isit. Although, that test cert we got posted up on here would match them photo's pretty well.

If you EICR'd that install, i wonder how many ticks you'd actually be able to put on the schedule of inspections lol
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an EF classic that one...lol..
no, i wont be forgetting that in a hurry..lol..
 
markc123 said:
Hardly suprising the test cert failed to surfice isit. Although, that test cert we got posted up on here would match them photo's pretty well.

If you EICR'd that install, i wonder how many ticks you'd actually be able to put on the schedule of inspections lol
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i`d just give the whole board a (2)...no fartin about trying to decypher any of it...just (2) the lot...
 
I think rather than writing out a report in a letter I will fill out the Electrical Installation Condition Report form and put the photo's with it and see what happens. I phoned up our Napit inspector last night and he said just fill the form in and back it up with the photo's but take it to a far end of a fart and list everything. :)
 
Good plan S.I, when you've done you should post the EICR on here for everyone to have a good laugh at how much it failed by. Then publically hang the sparks involved off the whitby swing bridge - if it doesn't fall into pieces by then :38:
 
but this is it....you dont waste time going through each circuit on a board like that...just fail it all....
then give him a price for remedials...
look, i`m not in the habit of just failing stuff here n there...far from it....in fact i will look for any way i can (as far as is reasonably practicable) to pass an existing install...or if its a case of a bit of tidying up here n there..then so be it...a (3) if you like...
but that board is a load of old b0ll0cks......
most of the other stuff can just be resited outside the zones....
 
GLENNSPARK said:
but this is it....you dont waste time going through each circuit on a board like that...just fail it all....
then give him a price for remedials...
look, i`m not in the habit of just failing stuff here n there...far from it....in fact i will look for any way i can (as far as is reasonably practicable) to pass an existing install...or if its a case of a bit of tidying up here n there..then so be it...a (3) if you like...
but that board is a load of old b0ll0cks......
most of the other stuff can just be resited outside the zones....
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I agree with this one, Bit of a waste of time testing everything. Its a fail regardless
 

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