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uksparks

Hi,

Just looking on a website, just looking at other so called electricians, what would you say if you saw the photo below that is on their website / advert? This is actually from their advert / profile.

To me, it says Electrical Trainee training board.

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Yep, definitely an bash board set up.
 
So someone has a picture if a college rig on their website. It is there choice what they put on it, maybe you could post a link to your website Tom so we can all criticise something you have put on it?
 
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Uksparks

As Dillb has suggested, that looks very much like the "wall of fear" for the 7 out of every ten that failed the 2391.

far from what you are suggesting
 
It's definitely what Dillb said. Why you'd want that on your site I have no clue but never mind
 
Uksparks

As Dillb has suggested, that looks very much like the "wall of fear" for the 7 out of every ten that failed the 2391.

far from what you are suggesting

For the life of me, i can't see anything that would warrant it being called a ''wall of fear''. If you can't do a decent job of testing and inspecting what's been shown in this photo, then you shouldn't be calling yourself an electrician.....
 
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Well spotted I hadnt looked that closely.

Bet the college would be well pleased if they knew it was on the internet for all too see, as I am sure you are not supposed to see the rig before you actually do the practical exam or at least that was the case when I did my 2391
 
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Well spotted I hadnt looked that closely.

Bet the college would be well pleased if they knew it was on the internet for all too see, as I am sure you are not supposed to see the rig before you actually do the practical exam or at least that was the case when I did my 2391

So would C&G I think, but it's probably all over U tube too.Ours was used by the students from the college , it was in a helluva state lol.
 
That's very true, I thought the practical was the easy bit.
I was the other way round, theory doddle, but practical was a trial against the other electrician working on the other side of the board shaking the whole structure whilst I am trying to test and the examiner looking at his watch and saying "get a move on"........ proper stress. Mind you the other electrician failed, he blew the neon and messed up his cert....but he was fast.. lol
 
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For the life of me, i can't see anything that would warrant it being called a ''wall of fear''. If you can't do a decent job of testing and inspecting what's been shown in this photo, then you shouldn't be calling yourself an electrician.....


Neither can I.

I guess thats why they nearly all failed.....
 
he'd do better with this:

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I was the other way round, theory doddle, but practical was a trial against the other electrician working on the other side of the board shaking the whole structure whilst I am trying to test and the examiner looking at his watch and saying "get a move on"........ proper stress. Mind you the other electrician failed, he blew the neon and messed up his cert....but he was fast.. lol

I was the same. I was pushed for time on practical but breezed tgrough theory. I was also pushed for time on am2 practical installation but passed fault finding no bother in loads of time.
 
when I did the 2394 and 2395, honestly, without sounding bigheaded I thought the practical was extremely easy, and the written part was again just as easy.

The only way I fail to see how people can understand it or find it difficult is if you claim to be an electrician and have not got a clue what you are doing.

All they ask of you is to full test it and produce the paperwork on the practical which you should be able to do standing on your head, its what you do every day and should be a walk in the park for the "real" electricians who know what they are doing.

And the written exam, again, if you know what you are talking about and know how to inspect and test and know what the test imstruments are called etc which you should know the proper names and also know about the regs, you should find it straight forward and not challenging.

If you do find it all very over whelming and and complicated, there fore you are not in a position to carry out electrical work as you clearly do not know what you are doing.

This is my opinion anyway.
 
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I cant remember the exact lay out of when I did my 2391 practical but it certainly wasn't on a piece of board with other people working around me.lol. Mine was in a room, the install was spread across 2 walls and the only other person in there with me was my tutor/assessor.

The practical wasn't that bad. The written was a little hard but I would have defo failed if I hadn't of revised for weeks/months.lol but then I paid for it myself, so it was in my interest to pass first time.

Jay
 
The hardest parts of the 2391 in no particular order

C&G speak aka how the question is asked ;)

Pedantry,and marking IOW name something wrong or forget something early in the question and you lose marks for the rest of the question. This means an otherwise really good spark could fail even though he knows his stuff, this is not helped by the IET constantly re-naming stuff fro edition to edition.
Having said that I understand that a line has to be drawn somewhere, and a technical report/description has to be understood universally for other technical people.

Scope, The scope is enormous you can be asked questions on literally anything, it could be something well off the beaten track, or a bit specialist (EV charging points UK Sparks ? ;) ), this is a lot to try and remember off the top of your head, I know as electricians we are supposed to know how stuff is done, but hands up how many sparks know all of the finer points of every special location and/or the more esoteric installs ? not many I would wager.

Nerves, the reputation of the 2391 precedes it, the failure rate is/was already known to be high to anyone taking this exam

The older sparks think the newer sparks should be able to understand everything about everything, but if you look at earlier editions the 15th has next to nothing on testing compared to the 16th, the 17th introduced even more, the regs have ballooned massively compared to earlier editions.

Unsuitable people taking the exam, when I done mine, out of all of us on the course there was only two of us that had previous testing and inspection experience of any note, most of the others had either done none or next to none.

IMO the course was designed for candidates who were already T&I ing, it is not designed to teach you how to T&I
 
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Suffice to say some of the questions were ambiguous to say the least . Go on any forum and see the pages of discussions of interpretations of some of the questions. There is a lot of time wasted working out what they are asking sometimes.
 
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Suffice to say some of the questions were ambiguous to say the least . Go on any forum and see the pages of discussions of interpretations of some of the questions. There is a lot of time wasted working out what they are asking sometimes.


Which is part of the reason they split it in to 2394/95. The questions in the 2394 are only about initial verification and the questions in the 2395 are about existing installations. I haven't seen the actual exam papers but I remember Mr D Skelton saying the questions were just as hard.

Jay
 
Well you must be right as I have seen some of the "new" questions on here and they do seem very similar. Ie the earth fault diagram was in the test paper I sat.
 
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