UK How to use 2 black, 2 white and earth tag in light fixture

[Rorytymon]

Hi there,

I have just bought some brass light fixtures and upon delivery found there to be 2 white, 2 black and one earth tag (I think it's called) which is separate from the fixture itself.

Looking online I've not really found much regarding installing such devices into the EU style outlets.

Firstly, how do I attach this earth tag? What end goes where and are they reliable? I don't want to die, obviously.

Secondly, can someone just please clarify:
A - which out of the black and white is Live and Neutral and;
B - can 2 white/black be joined onto 1 live/neutral and if so how is the safest way to do so.

Many thanks in advance for your responses and please be really dumb with your reply as I have only just bought my first house so learning all this stuff as I go.

Thank,

Rory

 

[littlespark]

Take it back and ask the manufacturer to finish it before selling.

looks like the earth tag washer goes on the screwed part where the wires come out, but that means unscrewing the nut and possibly washers etc.

what does the instructions say about the black/white?usually they are pretty obvious in what gets connected where….
(unlike another recent thread where the fitting was marked + and - as well as L and N)

 

[Rorytymon]

Take it back and ask the manufacturer to finish it before selling.

looks like the earth tag washer goes on the screwed part where the wires come out, but that means unscrewing the nut and possibly washers etc.

what does the instructions say about the black/white?usually they are pretty obvious in what gets connected where….
(unlike another recent thread where the fitting was marked + and - as well as L and N)

Hi there thanks for the reply I thought the earth tag would work that way. Presumably it the washers would need taking out so the wire is in contact with the casing itself?

In response to the instructions, well as rediculous as it sounds there weren't any. Shipped from China with nothing but what I've shown you and the brackets.

 

[littlespark]

Are the lamps supplied? I can’t tell, but look like regular GU10, if that’s the case, then it won’t matter which colour is live and which is neutral.

screw in lamps are polarity dependant. Centre pin has to be live, as it’s relatively easy to touch the outer screw part, so you don’t want that to be live.

so, as a suggestion… the two whites to live, which will be brown in your wall… or red if older house, and black to blue, or um black…

if possible, can you photograph the CE mark if there is one….
The problem with a lot of Chinese exports we’ve found is all round quality, badly made…and occasionally downright dangerous.

 

[westward10]

ES lampholders if correctly manufactured, that has to be taken with a pinch of sushi are no longer polarity biased.

 

[Rorytymon]

Are the lamps supplied? I can’t tell, but look like regular GU10, if that’s the case, then it won’t matter which colour is live and which is neutral.

screw in lamps are polarity dependant. Centre pin has to be live, as it’s relatively easy to touch the outer screw part, so you don’t want that to be live.

so, as a suggestion… the two whites to live, which will be brown in your wall… or red if older house, and black to blue, or um black…

if possible, can you photograph the CE mark if there is one….
The problem with a lot of Chinese exports we’ve found is all round quality, badly made…and occasionally downright dangerous.

Yeah that's not surprising to know that China are producing rubbish ?

Sorry for my ignorance however I don't understand what I meant by supplied? Just to clarify this is a light fixture not a lamp, I just saw I wasn't clear in the original post.

Again, I cannot see a CE mark anywhere, where would it be found?

 

[suffolkspark]

Probably no CE or UKCA markings on it and probably complies with sod all safety standards, wonder if the cables are copper or alli

 

[Rorytymon]

Probably no CE or UKCA markings on it and probably complies with sod all safety standards, wonder if the cables are copper or alli

They don't look like copper

 

[suffolkspark]

They don't look like copper

Possibly tinned, if you bend the strands and they hold position they should be fine

 

[Lucien Nunes]

These should not be sold in the UK. They might be entirely satisfactory or they might be dangerous; without approvals, instructions and traceability you'll never know.

Black and white are used in the USA and other places with USA-derived systems. Black is line and white is neutral. Check the voltage rating of any lamps supplied with it in case they also sent USA-flavour 120V lamps.

The wiring can be easily connected with 3-way Wago lever terminals, 221's or 222's. The wiring and Wagos must be enlcosed and fixed, not left flapping about in the wall.