Help pricing 3 bed rewire please

[mr_deep_]

Hi All - Hope you all had a good Christmas!

I have just recently started my own business and struggle to price work as never had anything to do with that side of things in the past.

Job is to Rewire a 3 bed Detached house

Attic - New radial circuit with 2 sockets. 2 lighting points with 1 two way switch (to first floor landing) - (Attic fully boarded)

1st floor -
3 bedrooms each with 3 new chased twin sockets. Each with 1 lighting point and 1 switch. Main bedroom to have wardrobe lighting point with single switch (chased). 2 bedrooms to have Switched fused spur + install ring camera back entry to external wall.

Bathroom - 1 lighting point 1 switch, 1x 12v outlet (from lighting circuit) 1 extract via 3 pole isolator

Hallway - 1 new wall light with 1 way switch. Landing light with 2 way switch to ground floor. 1 twin socket (chased).

Mid staircase- New twin socket


Ground floor

Hallway - 1 twin socket chased. 4 spot lights. 2 way switching (hallway and living room).

Downstairs bathroom - 1 lighting point (1 switch). 1 extract via 3 pole isolator. 1x 12v shaver socket via lighting circuit.
Shower circuit via DP isolator.

Store room - 2 twin sockets (in stud wall). Lighting point (1 switch)

Living room - 7 twin sockets (chased). 2 lighting points (2 separate switches). Switched fused spur.

Garage - 3 sockets, 2 lights and 3 switch drops (intermediate switching) (sockets and switches in 20mm pvc conduit approx 12m to instal).
New fuse board + Test and certification. (Gas and water 10mm earth bonding already present).
No works in kitchen as is an extension and cable readings were satisfactory.

House completely empty - 1 man and 1 labourer to complete works

Any input feedback would be greatly appreciated ??

I do a drawing if that help

 

[telectrix]

try the price per point way. assuming plastic accessories. £60 per point (+ add cost of any accessries costing over a fiver). Then £300 - £500 CU cost depending on type of board.

e.g. 50 points £3000, adittional cost of fan.coojer point etc,say £250, DB £400... Total £3650.

 

[DefyG]

Just worked similar principle to post#2, no 'making good' plus VAT over £4k

 

[telectrix]

beer goggles typo.

Just worked similar principle to post#2, no 'making good' plus VAT over £4k

soth east prices generally 20% - 30% above those in the civilised north. and i didn't join VAT. no benefit.so same ballpark .


typo.should have bin cookerpoint.

 

[Dustydazzler]

My area you would be looking at £5000 ball park , that would be rcbo board and decent brand accessories etc
prices have gine up a lot in recent years , a 3 bed basic rewire 3 years ago would have been £3-3,5 , now £4-5ooo

 

[buzzlightyear]

Or cost how many days plus maritrials approx.

 

[mr_deep_]

try the price per point way. assuming plastic accessories. £60 per point (+ add cost of any accessries costing over a fiver). Then £300 - £500 CU cost depending on type of board.

e.g. 50 points £3000, adittional cost of fan.coojer point etc,say £250, DB £400... Total £3650.

Thanks mate - Is that for every switch and every socket we price it at £60 a point? For example bedroom has 3 sockets 1 light and 1 switch = £300?

 

[mr_deep_]

My area you would be looking at £5000 ball park , that would be rcbo board and decent brand accessories etc
prices have gine up a lot in recent years , a 3 bed basic rewire 3 years ago would have been £3-3,5 , now £4-5ooo

Where abouts is that mate? I'm in Birmingham myself

 

[Dustydazzler]

Where abouts is that mate? I'm in Birmingham myself

surrey

 

[mr_deep_]

Or cost how many days plus maritrials approx.

I estimated 7 days with a labourer so - Priced them £2100 - For labour only - Thoughts on this anyone?

 

[telectrix]

Thanks mate - Is that for every switch and every socket we price it at £60 a point? For example bedroom has 3 sockets 1 light and 1 switch = £300?

yes. a point is anypoint that you run cable/s to.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I estimated 7 days with a labourer so - Priced them £2100 - For labour only - Thoughts on this anyone?

that’s quite cheap , but again your area the rates are probably lower

 

[telectrix]

I estimated 7 days with a labourer so - Priced them £2100 - For labour only - Thoughts on this anyone?

basically, that's just wages. you need to add at least £600 to that, first to cover cost of any call backs ( hopefully none), and to allow the business to grow. don't forget, time spent doing paperwork, fetching materials, and days when yo have no work on. all costs you. then there's the unexpected . sprain ankle getting off a ladder, 1 week unable to earn. not to mention any more serious injuries.

 

[Dustydazzler]

basically, that's just wages. you need to add at least £600 to that, first to cover cost of any call backs ( hopefully none), and to allow the business to grow. don't forget, time spent doing paperwork, fetching materials, and days when yo have no work on. all costs you. then there's the unexpected . sprain ankle getting off a ladder, 1 week unable to earn. not to mention any more serious injuries.

exactky this ...

if the Labour is 2 grand whack 30% on that to cover for other stuff

 

[telectrix]

Thanks mate - Is that for every switch and every socket we price it at £60 a point? For example bedroom has 3 sockets 1 light and 1 switch = £300?

i price it that way, then estimate materials + time. I add 15% to allow for contingencies. generally the difference is less than £300. whichever figure is highest, .that's my quote.

and before the grammar police pick on it. i should have said higher, not highest. as it's the higher of 2. highest applies to more than 2, for the innumerate members, that's 3 or more.

 

[mr_deep_]

Thanks all - This is all really useful information - And given me a lot to work with. Much appreciated ??

 

[Dustydazzler]

no problem

i struggled with pricing literally for years

until I started seeing what other sparks were charging and realised I was about 50% too cheap

 

[buzzlightyear]

estimated 7 days with a labourer so - Priced them £2100 - For labour only - Thoughts on this anyone

7days @£280..=2,000 grand plus matirals s average 800.00.

 

[telectrix]

7days @£280..=2,000 grand plus matirals

too cheap buzz. no beer money in that.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

£2100 is definitely under priced. However, with it being your first rewire then perhaps just go with that price as the experience will be great. I underpriced my first rewire, but I'm glad I did as it was good to get one under the belt. Next time give a more 'average' quote as you don't want a reputation for being cheap.
I would be about £5000 in total.

 

[mr_deep_]

£2100 is definitely under priced. However, with it being your first rewire then perhaps just go with that price as the experience will be great. I underpriced my first rewire, but I'm glad I did as it was good to get one under the belt. Next time give a more 'average' quote as you don't want a reputation for being cheap.
I would be about £5000 in total.

Cheers bud appreciate that - I am half way through the job and its been 4 days GRAFT - Have been thinking either im really slow or I have underpriced my labour - Priced it at £200 a day (£25/hr) for my labour and £100 a day for my mate - Was hoping to get it wrapped up in 7 days - 1st fix 98% done - So hopefully get 2nd fix / DB and test squeezed in the last 3 days to make my money ?

 

[Dustydazzler]

7 days is about right for a full chased in 3 bedder rewire ( 1 sparks 1 apprentice.
2 sparks could probably crush it in 4 days flat if you work 10 hour days

 

[telectrix]

at my age 10 hour days are a big no-no. in a 24 hour day, 10 hours sleep, 8 hours rest and relaxation, including beer time, leaves 6 hours work time, and that's if I can be arsed getting out of a warm bed on a freezing cold mid-morning.

 

[Dustydazzler]

The way to really make money if your business is predominantly rewires is send in the labourers day 1 to rip up all the floors and chop out all the chases.
send in the apprentices day 2 to pull all the cables.
send in the plasters day 3 to fill up chases.
send the apprentices back day 4 to second fix,
send yourself in day 5 to consumer unit and Certs (home by 3)

 

[mr_deep_]

no problem

i struggled with pricing literally for years

until I started seeing what other sparks were charging and realised I was about 50% too cheap

This just happened to me as scrolling through other posts -

The way to really make money if your business is predominantly rewires is send in the labourers day 1 to rip up all the floors and chop out all the chases.
send in the apprentices day 2 to pull all the cables.
send in the plasters day 3 to fill up chases.
send the apprentices back day 4 to second fix,
send yourself in day 5 to consumer unit and Certs (home by 3)

I like the sound of that mate! Just need to establish myself n hopefully make it here 1 day ?

 

[telectrix]

send in the labourers day 1 to rip up all the floors and chop out all the chases. then spend half a day pacifying the customer and cleaning up
send in the apprentices day 2 to pull all the cables. another half day checking their work and rectifying the disasters
send in the plasters day 3 to fill up chases. and a day to find and dig out all your boxes
send the apprentices back day 4 to second fix, another day to put their work right
send yourself in day 5 to consumer unit and Certs (home by 3) youse avin a laff?

 

[Dustydazzler]

probably being a bit flippant , but I do reckon with a decent labourer team and 2 semi decent apprentices you could use this model for unoccupied rewires...

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Cheers bud appreciate that - I am half way through the job and its been 4 days GRAFT - Have been thinking either im really slow or I have underpriced my labour - Priced it at £200 a day (£25/hr) for my labour and £100 a day for my mate - Was hoping to get it wrapped up in 7 days - 1st fix 98% done - So hopefully get 2nd fix / DB and test squeezed in the last 3 days to make my money ?

I do rewires by myself and I expect it would take me around 3 weeks (15 -18 days) to complete the one you're doing, although it's impossible to say really without being there, plus i think im a bit slower than most. They are bloody hard work!
I doubt you'll get it finished in 3 days, why don't you give yourself 5 and take the pressure off a bit. You'll earn a bit less but enjoy it more ?.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I do rewires by myself and I expect it would take me around 3 weeks (15 -18 days) to complete the one you're doing, although it's impossible to say really without being there, plus i think im a bit slower than most. They are bloody hard work!
I doubt you'll get it finished in 3 days, why don't you give yourself 5 and take the pressure off a bit. You'll earn a bit less but enjoy it mor

I'm 61 years old rewire done in 2 weeks
That's be me self. I could teach you a things or two.. Lol.

 

[mr_deep_]

I do rewires by myself and I expect it would take me around 3 weeks (15 -18 days) to complete the one you're doing, although it's impossible to say really without being there, plus i think im a bit slower than most. They are bloody hard work!
I doubt you'll get it finished in 3 days, why don't you give yourself 5 and take the pressure off a bit. You'll earn a bit less but enjoy it more ?.

Nice 1 - I have got in the back of my mind that it may take longer but 3 days is my target - 10 mins per point and then 1 day for the CU test and wrapping up

 

[Mike Johnson]

I have read the 10 mins per point on here before, does anyone really think it takes that long, to cut and strip three or even six cables and screw then into a socket or switch, I am interested because I have timed myself and wondered if anyone else has?

Before anyone answers if they don't time themselves, just sit down for ten minutes doing nothing and see how bored you get.

 

[Dustydazzler]

The 10 min thing is probsbly about correct , once you factor in cleaning out the box , cutting & stripping cables , terminating cables , screw back & level , sweep up then pick up stuff and move to the next point.
(not to mention taking a swig of tea and checking Facebook 4 times)

 

[telectrix]

used to be about 10 mins. 2nd fix a point for me. these days it's more like 20. 15 for the work itself and 5 for a smoke between points.

 

[Pete999]

used to be about 10 mins. 2nd fix a point for me. these days it's more like 20. 15 for the work itself and 5 for a smoke between points.

Work interrupting yer smoke breaks Tel?

 

[telectrix]

one thing i like about the 450mm min. socket height is that i can fix sitting down on toolbox, instead of going on knees to grub about close to floor.

 

[telectrix]

Work interrupting yer smoke breaks Tel?

even worse with beer breaks. a pint takes about 15 minutes to enjoy properly.

 

[mr_deep_]

I have read the 10 mins per point on here before, does anyone really think it takes that long, to cut and strip three or even six cables and screw then into a socket or switch, I am interested because I have timed myself and wondered if anyone else has?

Before anyone answers if they don't time themselves, just sit down for ten minutes doing nothing and see how bored you get.

I just made that up - is it actually a thing? Just thinking on average - Considering some points are outside lights, 10mm shower isolator and 5ft fittings to put up..

 

[Mike Johnson]

Ten minutes per point used for pricing means that in a four hour day you can fix twenty four points, but is not a real world fixing time, the only thing that could delay a fixing time to anywhere near that would be a break out cable outlet thats left jagged edges and needs extra work to make the exit smooth. IMO

 

[Dustydazzler]

I’ve never really looked at rewires as a time per point exercise, just as a whole job and rough times to achieve each phase of the job...

mew builds regularly did per point as they tend to be painting by numbers so once you do the first unit you know exactly how long each unit should take

rewires vary dramatically and no two are ever the same

if you are really struggling to get pricing right on day work I tend to say £1250 a weeks Labour and you can’t go too far wrong

 

[mr_deep_]

I’ve never really looked at rewires as a time per point exercise, just as a whole job and rough times to achieve each phase of the job...

mew builds regularly did per point as they tend to be painting by numbers so once you do the first unit you know exactly how long each unit should take

rewires vary dramatically and no two are ever the same

if you are really struggling to get pricing right on day work I tend to say £1250 a weeks Labour and you can’t go too far wrong

Is that to cover you and your apprentice / mate?