Metalclad DB, Single Phase with 12 useable ways - No RCD's required

[Micklane]

I'm trying to source a suitable metalclad DB with a metal door/flap, and with an IP rating as high as is available off the shelf. This to be located in a Chinese takeaway that has a high pollution of the atmosphere, caused by cooking oil/fat. It may be necessary to fit a standard metalclad DB inside a weatherproof enclosure, but I want to avoid this if possible.

 

[jaydee81]

does it have to be metal clad hager do 12 way IP55 enclosure then can fit what you like in it

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Look at the Schneider isobar range they are metallic and pretty good quality not the cheapest though

 

[Marvo]

If it's an environment with high levels of pollution maybe look at pressurizing the enclosure with clean fresh air. Kinda like a domestic bathroom extract system but configured in reverse.

 

[Engineer54]

I'm trying to source a suitable metalclad DB with a metal door/flap, and with an IP rating as high as is available off the shelf. This to be located in a Chinese takeaway that has a high pollution of the atmosphere, caused by cooking oil/fat. It may be necessary to fit a standard metalclad DB inside a weatherproof enclosure, but I want to avoid this if possible.

Sounds to me like, this is one Chinese takeaway outlet to avoid!! And one that should be brought to the attention of the local councils inspectorate!!

Sounds like there is a total lack of cooking area hood extraction, either that or the hoods grease filters are completely blocked!!
Whatever the problem is in this takeaway, it's not a problem that an electrician should even be trying to defeat or get over!!!....

 

[Micklane]

Whatever the problem is in this takeaway, it's not a problem that an electrician should even be trying to defeat or get over!!!....

Knowing the conditions for the lack of maintenance or absence of effective fume extraction hoods etc., it would be foolish to ignore this when selecting equipment, I'm sure that your registration organisation, and the regulations would agree.

 

[Tiny Spark]

Knowing the conditions for the lack of maintenance or absence of effective fume extraction hoods etc., it would be foolish to ignore this when selecting equipment, I'm sure that your registration organisation, and the regulations would agree.

Yes but as the old sayign goes prevention is better than cure.

 

[Micklane]

Yes but as the old sayign goes prevention is better than cure.

Implicit, but which would be more expensive ............. after the event?

 

[Engineer54]

Knowing the conditions for the lack of maintenance or absence of effective fume extraction hoods etc., it would be foolish to ignore this when selecting equipment, I'm sure that your registration organisation, and the regulations would agree.

First of all, let me assure you the very last people i would take any notice of, is a parasitic scheme provider, if i was indeed registered with one, which i'm most certainly NOT!!

Why would you even contemplate protecting against an environment, that is in itself, breaking H&S regulations?? That's just all round total nonsense!! Is there even an IP rating for airborne oil and grease, ...none that i know of.

 

[Micklane]

First of all, let me assure you the very last people i would take any notice of, is a parasitic scheme provider, if i was indeed registered with one, which i'm most certainly NOT!!

Why would you even contemplate protecting against an environment, that is in itself, breaking H&S regulations?? That's just all round total nonsense!! Is there even an IP rating for airborne oil and grease, ...none that i know of.

Au contraire, what is nonsense is replacing like for like when there is problem with the environment, which is not under my control! IP 65 is available and will be suitable.

 

[Engineer54]

Au contraire, what is nonsense is replacing like for like when there is problem with the environment, which is not under my control! IP 65 is available and will be suitable.

Then you're a bloody idiot!!

 

[sparky351355]

Now then ladies ! Build a little cupboard for the c/u or go round every week and demand the tiddlywinks get there marrygolds on and scrub the bitch!

 

[Micklane]

Then you're a bloody idiot!!

That response demonstrates a lack of IQ!

 

[Engineer54]

Far from it, but you trying to negate a clearly illegal H&S environmental problem surely does!! lol!!

So what are you going to do then, replace all the sockets and switches with IP65 accessories too, or do you consider the existing standard accessories to be fine in such conditions as you have described??

 

[Micklane]

Far from it, but you trying to negate a clearly illegal H&S environmental problem surely does!! lol!!
So what are you going to do then, replace all the sockets and switches with IP65 accessories too, or do you consider the existing standard accessories to be fine in such conditions as you have described??

Not that I wish to justify my reasoning to the unreasonable, but for the consideration and edification of others :wink_smile:, A sample has been carried out on the existing accessories during an E.I.C.R. by myself, as an approved contractor with the NICEIC :wink_smile:, these were found to be acceptable. It would be unprofessional of me to ignore the existing environmental conditions when replacing equipment .......... when I have no control of the maintenance, nor the design of other equipment in the existing premises! :wink_smile: If a customer chooses not to uprate an installation, that is acceptable in my view but then the customer carries the risk ........... not my professional indemnity! In addition to contamination, this subject fuse board is one which has asbestos arc quench pads, and is consequently .......... Code 2! :wink_smile: :wink_smile:

 

[bigspark17]

Surely just build a cupboard around it will suffice???

 

[Engineer54]

Not that I wish to justify my reasoning to the unreasonable, but for the consideration and edification of others :wink_smile:, A sample has been carried out on the existing accessories during an E.I.C.R. by myself, as an approved contractor with the NICEIC :wink_smile:, these were found to be acceptable. It would be unprofessional of me to ignore the existing environmental conditions when replacing equipment .......... when I have no control of the maintenance, nor the design of other equipment in the existing premises! :wink_smile: If a customer chooses not to uprate an installation, that is acceptable in my view but then the customer carries the risk ........... not my professional indemnity! In addition to contamination, this subject fuse board is one which has asbestos arc quench pads, and is consequently .......... Code 2! :wink_smile: :wink_smile:

Haha, and exactly what weight does being an ''Approved Contractor'' with the NICEIC carry these day's?? ...Zilch!!
Any Tom Dick or Harry can get that status now, just by paying the upgraded fee!!

Show me the Regulation that states that an old BS 3036 fuse board demands a code 2?? Your making this up as you go, ...along with creating your own code definitions my friend!! What has that got to do with this food outlets unlawful environmental conditions anyway?? If you consider that the CU needs/requires IP65 protection due to the amount of airborne oil and grease contamination, then it goes without saying that all the electrical wall accessories operating in the same environment, will also require the same protection....Yes??

As i stated before, you don't try and circumvent a health hazard that shouldn't be there in the first place, and it has nothing to do with your professional indemnity insurance. You can wink all you like, it ain't gonna change the fact that this takeaway outlet, needs a H&S inspection if what you're saying is that bad...

 

[Micklane]

Show me the Regulation that states that an old BS 3036 fuse board demands a code 2?? Your making this up as you go, ...along with creating your own code definitions my friend!!

Watch the spelling now. Let's hope someone else can help you out, you sure do need it! :devil:

 

[Engineer54]

Watch the spelling now. Let's hope someone else can help you out, you sure do need it! :devil:

That's all you can come up with?? Haha, just about sums-up the strength and validity of you're NICEIC Approved Contractor statements lol!!