pdf version of the regs

[banny07]

Hi Guys. Is it acceptable to have pdf version of regs to show niceic assesment day? Thanks

 

[buzzlightyear]

PDF from where.you need to show the brown book.

 

[banny07]

PDF from where.you need to show the brown book.

I have pdf version of brown book.

 

[Avo Mk8]

I have pdf version of brown book.

Can you show it's legitimately obtained and you have a license for it.
If it's from BSI I think soft copies of standards have ownership details down the side of each page (well, used to!)

 

[buzzlightyear]

Can you show it's legitimately obtained and you have a license for it.
If it's a copy from BSI I think it should have ownership details down the side of each page (well it used to!)

The inspecter might be the one that helps to put the book together.

 

[loz2754]

As far as I'm aware, there is no legitimately published PDF version of BS7671.

 

[banny07]

Can you show it's legitimately obtained and you have a license for it.
If it's from BSI I think soft copies of standards have ownership details down the side of each page (well, used to!)

I dont see this info on any/each page.

 

[timhoward]

I dont see this info on any/each page.

Where did you obtain it?

 

[banny07]

Where did you obtain it?

f*bay

 

[loz2754]

I just checked the BSI website. It's only available as a hard copy.
The only other way to get it is by an annual digital subscription.

 

[timhoward]

f*bay

I wouldn’t suggest sticking this in front of an assessors nose then.

 

[JBW175]

I think you’re going have to take the hit on this and pay the £80 like the rest of us.

 

[littlespark]

TBF.... its probably got less spelling mistakes......

 

[DPG]

You're going to show an NIC assessor a counterfeit copy of the regs? To save £80? My word!!

 

[Markyd]

You will fail before your assessment even starts, mind you the way the NIC are now they probably wont care

 

[Pretty Mouth]

A counterfeit copy of the new regs? In sweet, easy-to-search PDF format? That's TERRIBLE!

I want to know EXACTLY where you got it from

 

[banny07]

A counterfeit copy of the new regs? In sweet, easy-to-search PDF format? That's TERRIBLE!

I want to know EXACTLY where you got it from

Online

 

[DPG]

Online

All electricians should own a legit copy of the current regs.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Online

I have searched high and low on the internet for the new amendment in PDF, but I'm damned if I can find a copy anywhere.

Shame really, as I have the 18th unamended in PDF, and it's way, way more useful than the hard copy. Cheaper too, that and the OSG only cost me £1.49 from ebay

 

[mainline]

All electricians should own a legit copy of the current regs.

Ideally, all electricians should know the current regs

 

[DPG]

Ideally, all electricians should know the current regs

Be some memory to remember the whole lot!

 

[mainline]

Be some memory to remember the whole lot!

There are some big-headed sparks about

 

[mainline]

I have searched high and low on the internet for the new amendment in PDF, but I'm damned if I can find a copy anywhere.

Shame really, as I have the 18th unamended in PDF, and it's way, way more useful than the hard copy. Cheaper too, that and the OSG only cost me £1.49 from ebay

You should re-list it for a £1

 

[Rockingit]

Be some memory to remember the whole lot!

You don't remember it word for word, though. You remember the principles, the general rules, then the sections and chapters. We all know that 701 is bathrooms, for example, and the majority of us read sections 1-3 only when incredibly bored or there's a specific reason.

It wouldn't work online but it would be interesting to put a random couple of teams of sparks together, pub quiz style, and have two rounds of 'what does reg 411.3.3 talk about?' type questions and then 'if we're talking about Ufer earthing, where would we check our thoughts?' and so on.

I reckon people would be surprised what they'd drag up from memory.

 

[DPG]

You don't remember it word for word, though. You remember the principles, the general rules, then the sections and chapters. We all know that 701 is bathrooms, for example, and the majority of us read sections 1-3 only when incredibly bored or there's a specific reason.

It wouldn't work online but it would be interesting to put a random couple of teams of sparks together, pub quiz style, and have two rounds of 'what does reg 411.3.3 talk about?' type questions and then 'if we're talking about Ufer earthing, where would we check our thoughts?' and so on.

I reckon people would be surprised what they'd drag up from memory.

Indeed. There would have to be beer involved though!

 

[Rockingit]

Indeed. There would have to be beer involved though!

Naturally man - do keep up!

 

[Dartlec]

The NICEIC requirements do only state:

'has documentation and records appropriate to the range and scale of Domestic Electrical Installation Work undertaken which will include BS 7671* Requirements for Electrical Installations (IET Wiring Regulations)'

* Current edition including all amendments.

So if you could show it was an exact and correct copy they might accept it, but I wouldn't rely on it, since it is not a legitimately sourced document.

I got the online version this year and I've found it so much easier in terms of searching, etc. All my assessor wanted to see was that I had access to it, but I had the email showing subscription to it too.

Works nicely on tablet/phone for searching too, plus it gets updates when they are published, and allows access to older versions too.

The Bronze subscription gives you the OSG and GN1/GN3 too - not bad for £71 a year imo.

It is "apparently" possible to convert the online regs into a searchable pdf with the right software....so I'm told

 

[Markyd]

Prob a pdf from china ...........

 

[mainline]

Online

That should be easy then, I'll just try to find the country that the haystacks actually in before I start looking for the needle

 

[banny07]

That should be easy then, I'll just try to find the country that the haystacks actually in before I start looking for the needle

It is on my phone and pc ,can be viewed offline.

 

[DPG]

It is on my phone and pc ,can be viewed offline.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[timhoward]

Let us know how it goes.

I just can't believe that given the hundreds you fork out to join the scam, getting a tester calibrated, getting insurances etc. anyone would apparently risk all that by skimping on a proper copy of the regs....
There's a professionalism angle here too, I'd want to be 101% sure that the document I was basing safety decisions on was definitely legit and correct.
Each to their own, I guess.

 

[DPG]

I just can't believe that given the hundreds you fork out to join the scam, getting a tester calibrated, getting insurances etc. anyone would apparently risk all that by skimping on a proper copy of the regs....
There's a professionalism angle here too, I'd want to be 101% sure that the document I was basing safety decisions on was definitely legit and correct.
Each to their own, I guess.

Absolutely. I'd have no confidence in an electrician who turned up with a dodgy set of regs just to save £80.

 

[mainline]

It is on my phone and pc ,can be viewed offline.

It would be nice to actually see if there are any actual errors. There could be a bit of scare mongering going on.

 

[UNG]

So is it just the regs that have been skimped on what about GN3 etc

 

[buzzlightyear]

Let's us know when you fail and the first
Herdel. Non compliance.

 

[Rockingit]

Be interesting to see the reaction if you had one on borrow from a library. Assuming you could actually find a library these days, of course.

 

[mainline]

Be interesting to see the reaction if you had one on borrow from a library. Assuming you could actually find a library these days, of course.

I don't think you would find it in a library as they only have books that people want to read

 

[Dartlec]

Be interesting to see the reaction if you had one on borrow from a library. Assuming you could actually find a library these days, of course.

The pdf of the blue book that was doing the rounds was from the Ceylon Electricity Board Library

Of course buying it from Amazon for the assessment, then returning it the day after, would be very naughty indeed....

 

[DPG]

It would be nice to actually see if there are any actual errors. There could be a bit of scare mongering going on.

Trouble is you'd never know. Could be something subtle in one of the tables. To my mind this is not a document you shouldn't take a risk with.

 

[Markyd]

If he cant afford £80 for the book, He is not a sparky

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Trouble is you'd never know. Could be something subtle in one of the tables. To my mind this is not a document you shouldn't take a risk with.

The PDF of the blue regs I have is scanned. Obviously there are limits on resolution, but otherwise what you see and read is identical to the hard copy (which I also have).

It also has a hidden layer of text beneath each page image, which only becomes visible when you highlight text by click and drag. This must have been generated by some character recognition software, and for most of the time it is identical to the image text, but there is the occasional incorrect character, extra space, or character that simply isn't recognised, eg. the delta symbol.

When you use the search facility to search for a specific word, it searches the hidden text, so occasionally it fails to find something that it should have, as above, but most of the time it finds what you want. Also, it highlights the image, rather than than displaying the hidden text beneath, so you read it as it should be.

I use the pdf version all the time, it is so, so much better. The hard copy sits in a bag in my van and has probably been used half a dozen times at most.

 

[DPG]

The PDF of the blue regs I have is scanned. Obviously there are limits on resolution, but otherwise what you see and read is identical to the hard copy (which I also have).

It also has a hidden layer of text beneath each page image, which only becomes visible when you highlight text by click and drag. This must have been generated by some character recognition software, and for most of the time it is identical to the image text, but there is the occasional incorrect character, extra space, or character that simply isn't recognised, eg. the delta symbol.

When you use the search facility to search for a specific word, it searches the hidden text, so occasionally it fails to find something that it should have, as above, but most of the time it finds what you want. Also, it highlights the image, rather than than displaying the hidden text beneath, so you read it as it should be.

I use the pdf version all the time, it is so, so much better. The hard copy sits in a bag in my van and has probably been used half a dozen times at most.

That's the problem. It's ok if it is scanned as one image, but if all the text and tables have been OCR processed then that's where issues could occur. And someone could be using that incorrect info for years and would never know.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

That's the problem. It's ok if it is scanned as one image, but if all the text and tables have been OCR processed then that's where issues could occur. And someone could be using that incorrect info for years and would never know.

The text and tables aren't processed, they are an image. The hidden layer of text is processed, but as above, you don't see that unless you select something by click and drag. I'll try to upload a photo so you can see what I mean.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Here's a table from the pdf. I've highlighted the word 'aluminium', which shows the normally hidden layer of text beneath:

 

[DPG]

The text and tables aren't processed, they are an image. The hidden layer of text is processed, but as above, you don't see that unless you select something by click and drag. I'll try to upload a photo so you can see what I mean.

I know what you mean. But that may not be the case in the OPs version. There have been counterfeit copies with errors in before.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I know what you mean. But that may not be the case in the OPs version. There have been counterfeit copies with errors in before.

I demand that he sends me a copy, so that I proof read

 

[Spoon]

I must admit that when I get the regs book from work, I take mine apart and scan it, then OCR it, so that I can search for text.
It does make things easy for me.
No.... I don't pass it onto anyone.

 

[mainline]

I demand that he sends me a copy, so that I proof read

Yes this needs to be done asap as lives could be at risk

 

[littlespark]

I heard Buzz typed up the pdf version….

Not so keen now, are you!