PUB GARDEN ELECTROCUTION TRIAL

[Julie.]

...presumably to the local authority environmental health dept, as HSE don't get involved with pubs.

Is HSE the correct enforcing authority for you?

Authority - the type of workplaces HSE is responsible for and those where Local Authorities have responsibility.

www.hse.gov.uk

Don't know, I think it was more the view that a qualified electrician, having seen the dangerous state of the electrical system, basically just ignored it.

Perhaps had he given written notice to the landlord then that would probably been sufficient.

Notifying the duty holder should be enough I would have thought.

 

[benhurr]

In detail, the electrician run cables and so on but stated it was not ready for final connection.

The pub landlord decided to make the connections himself.

Plus as said above, the landlord was the duty holder.

The details are quite involved, but it is my understanding that the electrician did limited work, but the landlord had either done most of the work himself, or by others resulting in the overall mess you see in the photos.

The electrician was held accountable for 'not highlighting the overall situation ' rather than for his direct work (which is arguably correct as if we believe he only did first fix , he can't be at fault for further work done after leaving site).

The landlord admitted that he made the Connections I believe.

I see now, thanks. There were no details on the tv show regarding responsibilities distribution, hence the puzzling

 

[Julie.]

I see now, thanks. There were no details on the tv show regarding responsibilities distribution, hence the puzzling

They is a guy called David Savery on you tube, he did a bit of an analysis in the early days which may give a bit more details - as long as you don't mind offensive language here is a link:

 

[Lister1987]

They is a guy called David Savery on you tube, he did a bit of an analysis in the early days which may give a bit more details - as long as you don't mind offensive language here is a link:

He's on here I believe; @dseselectric, always enjoy his videos and found this one very well presented

 

[littlespark]

same video was linked on #34, Julie.

it seems this sort of thing happens all over the place. EICR's bring up the same problems year after year and nothing gets done.
Not always the electricians fault.... but also not always the customers fault if they believe the person they employed was competent

 

[DPG]

This really shows the value of keeping records and emailing customers with details of any concerns.

This is the time when the chickens come home to roost. Just the same as the guys doing drive-by EICRs - it's all OK until something goes wrong and then you may be in prison.

 

[Julie.]

He's on here I believe; @dseselectric, always enjoy his videos and found this one very well presented

I particularly liked his repair of his own oven element one, in fact most of his older ones are great, not too keen on his newer ones, the format has changed, I think it doesn't suit him as much.

 

[Julie.]

same video was linked on #34, Julie.

it seems this sort of thing happens all over the place. EICR's bring up the same problems year after year and nothing gets done.
Not always the electricians fault.... but also not always the customers fault if they believe the person they employed was competent

Sorry, hadn't seen that, just responded to his response to my response.....

Yup same video.

 

[Julie.]

This really shows the value of keeping records and emailing customers with details of any concerns.

This is the time when the chickens come home to roost. Just the same as the guys doing drive-by EICRs - it's all OK until something goes wrong and then you may be in prison.

Exactly my belief as well, as the clowns on many other fora say "pictures or it didn't happen"

In our case it's not whether you informed them or not, it's whether you can prove you informed them.

It probably didn't help his case as he denied seeing anything problematic, yet even a brief look at the photos and you can tell the state of this installation has been bad for a long time!

 

[nicebutdim]

I particularly liked his repair of his own oven element one, in fact most of his older ones are great, not too keen on his newer ones, the format has changed, I think it doesn't suit him as much.

Pretty good washing machine repair video to be found in his archives. Can't recall what the fault was, but that was never the reason for watching.

 

[brianmoooore]

Pretty good washing machine repair video to be found in his archives.

One of my customers died by electrocution, repairing their washing machine. Couple of weeks before I was due to upgrade their CU to all RCD protected.

 

[pirate]

IIRC David Savery's oven element repair video was a Christmas special...and extremely amusing.
I think you have to be in the mood for some of his stuff, especially the beer-swilling antics! However, he does say it like he sees it and has great knowledge and wit...my favourite!

 

[DPG]

I'd

IIRC David Savery's oven element repair video was a Christmas special...and extremely amusing.
I think you have to be in the mood for some of his stuff, especially the beer-swilling antics! However, he does say it like he sees it and has great knowledge and wit...my favourite!

Different league to Del.

 

[nicebutdim]

One of my customers died by electrocution, repairing their washing machine. Couple of weeks before I was due to upgrade their CU to all RCD protected.

I remember you mentioning this. An unfortunate event and one so easily avoidable.

 

[brianmoooore]

I remember you mentioning this. An unfortunate event and one so easily avoidable.

Not only a customer, but a long term friend as well. Had been holidaying in one of our cottages for around thirty years, and had just sold up and moved to about four miles from us.

 

[Lister1987]

Not only a customer, but a long term friend as well. Had been holidaying in one of our cottages for around thirty years, and had just sold up and moved to about four miles from us.

Without wanting to sound macabre, how did it happen? Had that back off theachine whilst running?

 

[brianmoooore]

Without wanting to sound macabre, how did it happen? Had that back off theachine whilst running?

Washing machine had failed, and she had 'phoned me, asking if I would take a look at it. I said I'd be along in a couple of days. I didn't consider it that urgent, because there was only her and her new partner, and there was a launderette about five doors from their front door.
She decided to have a go, and had taken the back of the machine to discover that the belt had come off, so she had knelt behind it to guide it back on the big pulley, while her partner turned the drum from inside the front.
The heater terminals on most washing machine are located immediately below the rim of this pulley, and for reasons not known to me, the circuit is often switched on the neutral, leaving both terminals at full mains potential if the machine is plugged in, as this one still was.
She did not respond when her partner spoke to her, and was found dead, still knelt behind it. Presumably she had touched a heater terminal with one hand while having the other on the earthed pulley, creating a shock path directly across her heart.

 

[marconi]

I went to a venue in Essex today to size up high tea for my wife's 60th with her friends. Sort of venue that specialises in weddings normally but does hotel, dinner and other events too eg today a post funeral tea. Posh sort of place.

As we had our Jack Russell I wandered around the grounds with her while my wife went inside. I could not take photos because 'management' was around but the lengthy evening atmospheric bollard lighting (all 240V) along the pathways in the lovely grounds was corroded, at various jaunty angles, some with lamps some without , broken lantern panes, and worst of all one was no longer there exposing the bare daisy chained RED, YELLOW, BLUE swa.......

No doubt on the day of installation this was perfect but the installer under-sestimated what would happen over the subsequent months and years. Fundamentally it was not robust nor robustly safe.

Besides a tree there were two recent outside double socket for floodlights - both with their tops open. I could go on.

If I ruled the world all outside lighting would adopt the same standards of either construction sites or be SELV. Methinks the BS Electrical regulations are falling short.

 

[littlespark]

So you're not booking that venue then?

 

[marconi]

So you're not booking that venue then?

No. My wife did not like their crockery - let us not go there eh.