rcd protection

[scott 123]

EICR
tnc-s system ....lighting circuit ......cables buried less than 50mm ....not rcd protected....what code should i put
(i think code 2...
but could it be c3 (not compliant with current regs)

 

[Octopus]

You can't go round giving C2's to ALL the houses without RCD protection on the lights.

If anything its a C3

 

[davesparks]

C2 is potentially dangerous.
C3 is improvement recommended.

What potential danger are you seeing here that warrants a C2?

The most I would give that on its own, assuming no other problems having an impact on it, is C3

 

[scott 123]

C2 is potentially dangerous.
C3 is improvement recommended.

What potential danger are you seeing here that warrants a C2?

The most I would give that on its own, assuming no other problems having an impact on it, is C3

Thinking about metal fittings

 

[telectrix]

Thinking about metal fittings

irrelevant. metal fittings without a cpc would be a code C2 , but if the installation was pre 2008, the 522 6.101 did not apply , so the most you can give is a C3 for lack of RCD.

 

[Octopus]

Thinking about metal fittings

and???

 

[davesparks]

Thinking about metal fittings

Why? How does the material the fittings are made of affect the need for an RCD?

Unless there are no CPCs which would put the whole question in a different light.

 

[Guest77]

You can't go round giving C2's to ALL the houses without RCD protection on the lights.

If anything its a C3

Correct

 

[D Skelton]

Yet another incompetent inspector!

When will it end?!

Scott 123, you shouldn't be carrying out periodic inspections if you have to ask these kind of questions.

 

[GMES]

I think maybe it is time to to start applying codes to some of the people Carrying out Eicr's.
With the Op getting a C1

 

[D Skelton]

Code zero even!

 

[GMES]

Code zero even!

If it wasn't so sad Damian it would be funny just how many people can't seem to code an installation correctly.

 

[dazza1981]

And unfortunately there are to many of these Mongs around creaming in the money and that really gives me the ar$e ache !!!!

 

[telectrix]

he couls always get a job with british gas. anything done to 16th is an instant C1, new CU necessary.

 

[D Skelton]

There's one round my way, calls himself Bradbury Electrical. He's fresh out of college, can't be older than about 20, and drives a liveried up van with 'testing and inspection specialist' written all over it. Amongst other blunders, this kid C1s 6mm bonding conductors on 60A TN-S systems. I've yet to bump into this clown in the wholesalers but I look forward to the day I do!

 

[richy3333]

These examples can swing both ways. Time served sparky (now in his seventies), 'man and boy' etc. Not updated since the 15th Ed because he knows everything. 4 x code 1's and 2 x codes 2's on an EICR. He then grades it satisfactory (repairs not done)!

Puts in a new board for the customer in May 2014 to 15th Ed Regs. Boards hanging off the wall, covers hanging off the board and no certification.

 

[scott 123]

So after attending college and training with a so called time served electrician who was crap ..what should I do ... Retrain with another crap electrician or use the knowledge and qualifications I have gained along with asking for pointers on this forum for guidance to better myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

 

[dazza1981]

So after attending college and training with a so called time served electrician who was crap ..what should I do ... Retrain with another crap electrician or use the knowledge and qualifications I have gained along with asking for pointers on this forum for guidance to better myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

C1 for this post mate !!!!:seeya:

 

[Octopus]

So after attending college and training with a so called time served electrician who was crap ..what should I do ... Retrain with another crap electrician or use the knowledge and qualifications I have gained along with asking for pointers on this forum for guidance to better myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

Have you read and diested the guides on this link?

Best Practice Guides - Electrical Safety First

 

[D Skelton]

So after attending college and training with a so called time served electrician who was crap ..what should I do ... Retrain with another crap electrician or use the knowledge and qualifications I have gained along with asking for pointers on this forum for guidance to better myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yoursetter myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

Get experience working along side an experienced inspector. You have no excuse, just because you once worked with a poor electrician that doesn't mean that you can go throwing yourself head first into jobs that you don't know how do do.

Here's some helpful advice for you; learn how to walk before you start running.

and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

It's not abuse fella, it's the hard truth. In terms of inspection and testing knowledge, mine is already far superior to yours, therefore I don't feel the need to do anything to make myself 'feel' superior. That superior knowledge gives me the ability, and the right, to say that you currently don't posses the level of knowledge needed to be carrying out inspection and testing work if you have to be asking such basic questions. You can't just take the work on and expect people on forums to answer questions, that you, as an electrician who has taken money in exchange for testing and inspection services, should know!

Finally, as you asked, I have time to spend on here in between emailing invoices to my many customers, customers whom I have gained over many years who give me money to carry out work that I can actually do, and do bloody well!

 

[GMES]

So after attending college and training with a so called time served electrician who was crap ..what should I do ... Retrain with another crap electrician or use the knowledge and qualifications I have gained along with asking for pointers on this forum for guidance to better myself...I've asked for pointers not for u to do the job... Thank you to those who gave helpful answers .and if the unhelpful ones are so good at the job how have you got so much time to spend on here abusing others (to make yourselves feel superior)

Because we are Superior and have successful businesses and have other people doing it for us!!

 

[scott 123]

Get experience working along side an experienced inspector. You have no excuse, just because you once worked with a poor electrician that doesn't mean that you can go throwing yourself head first into jobs that you don't know how do do.

Here's some helpful advice for you; learn how to walk before you start running.




It's not abuse fella, it's the hard truth. In terms of inspection and testing knowledge, mine is already far superior to yours, therefore I don't feel the need to do anything to make myself 'feel' superior. That superior knowledge gives me the ability, and the right, to say that you currently don't posses the level of knowledge needed to be carrying out inspection and testing work if you have to be asking such basic questions. You can't just take the work on and expect people on forums to answer questions, that you, as an electrician who has taken money in exchange for testing and inspection services, should know!

Finally, as you asked, I have time to spend on here in between emailing invoices to my many customers, customers whom I have gained over many years who give me money to carry out work that I can actually do, and do bloody well!

Agreed your your experience and knowledge may be superior ..but I meant attitude but somebody already said time served does not always mean you know everything

 

[telectrix]

@ OP.how does it feel to have been run over by a panzer tiger tank?

 

[D Skelton]

Agreed your your experience and knowledge may be superior ..but I meant attitude but somebody already said time served does not always mean you know everything

And don't I know it. I certainly don't know everything, but there is one thing I do know, one thing in particular that makes me a really good electrician. That thing is...

My limits!

 

[GMES]

Scott my above post was maybe a bit Arrogant, so I will try a different approach.
Damian as summed it up perfectly, The point I tried to make 1st was that you cannot go around carrying out testing installations if you are not fully versed with the coding procedure.
There are 3 codes for you to work to, but that doesn't mean you can apply whichever you feel like.
If you were taught by a Rubbish mentor then I feel for you, but that said you are a Grown man and in charge of your own life.
So therefore if you are not up to the job on your own, then maybe look to shadow a more experienced inspector and gain more knowledge.
The codes that you apply have an effect on your customers, as in you could be under cautious and put someone at risk or over code and cost the customer undue expense.

 

[telectrix]

And don't I know it. I certainly don't know everything, but there is one thing I do know, one thing in particular that makes me a really good electrician. That thing is...

My limits!

damian. i thought i told you not to mention el alamein on an open forum. :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

[D Skelton]

damian. i thought i told you not to mention el alamein on an open forum. :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

Hahahaha