Oven and cooker circuits

[JackArmy]

Hi i have a double oven which is 5.8kw and induction hob which is 7.4kw there currently isnt a cooker circuit in the house but there is 2 spaces in the CU so am I correct in thinking I can put 2x32A breakers in and run 6mm cable to both .

 

[Pete999]

Hi i have a double oven which is 5.8kw and induction hob which is 7.4kw there currently isnt a cooker circuit in the house but there is 2 spaces in the CU so am I correct in thinking I can put 2x32A breakers in and run 6mm cable to both .

Jack a 7.4 KW hob will draw max 32.2 Amps and a 5.8 KW oven will draw Max 25.2 Amps you will need to apply Diversity to those calcs, best advicget an Electrician to design and install circuits to suite the needs.

 

[westward10]

Are you an electrician because this is notifiable work.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Huntingdon Way
Sketty
Swansea .what number house jack of all trades.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Are you an electrician because this is notifiable work.

on his profile ,he say he is ,but any good spark. would have work out that before asking .

 

[buzzlightyear]

7.4x5.6=42amps .now what cable for that ? I forgot diversity

 

[Toneyz]

dvicget an Electrician to design and install circuits to suite the needs.

Are you an electrician because this is notifiable work.

His profile says Quals Part P & 17th so not to be rude to the OP this should be well within what he has been taught. I am hoping that the OP knows the answer but is doubting himself.

 

[MDJ]

A lot of (sparks) hmm, would struggle with that question, let me remind everyone the new appliances will also come with instructions, now even though as an electrician you should be able to work out the load and cable size, the instructions will also have their own minimum cable size suggested as well lol, that will confuse a lot here, not all of us have enough experience to know what cable is needed automatically or whether one supply is enough for both units.

 

[buzzlightyear]

now with all those new cookers &hobs some are A rated now .
E.U. directive .hi Hitler .should not cost a lot to run them now .still burns heat.

 

[Pete999]

His profile says Quals Part P & 17th so not to be rude to the OP this should be well within what he has been taught. I am hoping that the OP knows the answer but is doubting himself.

That will be all down to Part P then Ant cus the 17th teaches you jack all, except how to pass an exam. Neither qualification will class you as an Electrician. Well maybe it does these days. Part P is a building regulation NOT a qualification.

 

[buzzlightyear]

because you have the 17th ,does not make you qualified .just shows
how to apply the Regs.

 

[Octopus]

And if the location is the OP''s postcode, then Wales have the stricter Part P rules to contend with too.

I see the OP's been back on and not updated us as yet ............................

 

[buzzlightyear]

And if the location is the OP''s postcode, then Wales have the stricter Part P rules to contend with too.

I see the OP's been back on and not updated us as yet .......

I bet the op thinking ,o f88k ,they are on to me.

 

[JackArmy]

Hi all apologies I am new to this so always second guessing myself. I am not doing the work myself getting another spark to I was just seeing if my logic is correct

 

[buzzlightyear]

Hi all apologies I am new to this so always second guessing myself. I am not doing the work myself getting another spark to I was just seeing if my logic is correct

yeah wright ,I would has well .got court with you pants down .

 

[sparksburnout]

yeah wright ,I would has well .got court with you pants down .

Caught, not court, didn't you learn owt at school? Court is where he might finish up. ---- me the grammar on here doesn't get any better does it, quite apart from the idiot OP's......

 

[Octopus]

Caught, not court, didn't you learn owt at school? Court is where he might finish up. **** me the grammar on here doesn't get any better does it, quite apart from the idiot OP's......

I blame predictive tests text

 

[buzzlightyear]

Caught, not court, didn't you learn owt at school? Court is where he might finish up. **** me the grammar on here doesn't get any better does it, quite apart from the idiot OP's......

we all can't be prefect, can we.

 

[Martyn Fletcher]

Are you an electrician because this is notifiable work.

Is it?
I thought kitchens were removed from the notifiable list?
Not stating... questioning.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Is it?
I thought kitchens were removed from the notifiably list?
Not stating... questioning

new circuit ,if that's the case .

 

[Captain Black]

I blame predictive tests text

Predictive text is my worst enema.

 

[Midwest]

Caught, not court, didn't you learn owt at school? Court is where he might finish up. **** me the grammar on here doesn't get any better does it, quite apart from the idiot OP's......

See teachers pet is back, and straight in their, which has read pen.

 

[telectrix]

See teachers pet is back, and straight in their, which has read pen.

?????.

 

[Midwest]

?????.

 

[buzzlightyear]

teacher normally uses green hen ,for under linning .

 

[telectrix]

this is an earth hen.

 

[buzzlightyear]

this is an earth hen.

do the eggs come with strips has well.
if they do ,order a bakers dozen.

 

[Pete999]

this is an earth hen.

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[Pete999]

do the eggs come with strips has well.
if they do ,order a barkers dozen.

A barkers dozen?

 

[telectrix]

 

[buzzlightyear]

A barkers dozen?

that's better ,post 27.

 

[Midwest]

A barkers dozen?

Keep up Pete

 

[telectrix]

Keep up Pete

he got to oil his zimmer frame first. .

 

[Pete999]

Keep up Pete

Buzz bluddy altered that you cheater

 

[Pete999]

he got to oil his zimmer frame first. .

You aintfar off the button there Tel

 

[telectrix]

You aintfar off the button there Tel

it's only by continuing working that i keep the legs from seizing up. the brain seized years ago.

 

[Gareth Brookes]

5800+7400=13200
13200÷230=57.4A
57.4A-10=47.4A
47.4A×0.3=14.22A
14.22A+10=24.22A with diversity applied

 

[Midwest]

I prefer to apply diversity to each separate appliances (in excess of 10A) individually, as opposed combining their total loads, then using formulae.

What do ya think?

 

[sparksburnout]

I prefer to apply diversity to each separate appliances (in excess of 10A) individually, as opposed combining their total loads, then using formulae.

What do ya think?

I think a bit of 6mm will murder it, as usual.

 

[Midwest]

I think a bit of 6mm will murder it, as usual.

Probably; with my methodology, it comes in at 31A ish, no socket incuded.

 

[Gareth Brookes]

I prefer to apply diversity to each separate appliances (in excess of 10A) individually, as opposed combining their total loads, then using formulae.

What do ya think?

Why would you do that then

 

[PAW]

Hi new on here and back on the tools after years of point at stuff for others (so go easy). I understand diversity, but with an induction hob it is quite easy to put all rings on and be drawing max load (think Sunday dinner of all the family). The same with the oven when heating up. For the sake of another cable (there is a spare way) and future proofing, why would you not run 2 x 6mm cable on 2 x 32A breakers?

 

[telectrix]

you can have all rings on together, but that will only be for a short period till the stats start switching .

 

[Andy78]

Hi new on here and back on the tools after years of point at stuff for others (so go easy). I understand diversity, but with an induction hob it is quite easy to put all rings on and be drawing max load (think Sunday dinner of all the family). The same with the oven when heating up. For the sake of another cable (there is a spare way) and future proofing, why would you not run 2 x 6mm cable on 2 x 32A breakers?

Depends on how they are made. I have installed induction hobs that are rated at a total load of over 6kW yet are supplied with 1.5mm flex and a 13A plug top.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Depends on how they are made. I have installed induction hobs that are rated at a total load of over 6kW yet are supplied with 1.5mm flex and a 13A plug top.

try bosh induction hob ,not 1.5mm cable but 4mm.

 

[Midwest]

I prefer to apply diversity to each separate appliances (in excess of 10A) individually, as opposed combining their total loads, then using formulae.

What do ya think?

Why would you do that then

My understanding of diversity, is that any one electrical cooking appliance, through thermostats etc and switching, would never be able to use its full load, e.g. a simple single electric oven, has a selector switch, to select either main oven or grill, not both together.

Using Table A2 in the OSG for household installations; it shows formulae for diversity & asking for f.l. of connected cooking appliances.

Manufacturers would supply the f.l. figure for their devices. Separate appliances may function differently (as described above).

Further into Table A2, calculating diversity for commercial premises, it makes allowances for more than one appliance, not withstanding the different scenario.

In a simple set up of separate hob & oven, the usage is not comparable, however as is the fashion these days to have more than one oven, combination ovens etc etc, it is not hard to see the usage these appliances could have. Therefore, in such an install, I would calculate diversity separately.

In most cases as Sparksburntout suggested, 6mm would muller most situations.

 

[Toneyz]

Depends on how they are made. I have installed induction hobs that are rated at a total load of over 6kW yet are supplied with 1.5mm flex and a 13A plug top.

Yes, my mate wired in 6.0mm for hob and when he got it only had 13A plug top couldn't believe it.

 

[MDJ]

Yes, my mate wired in 6.0mm for hob and when he got it only had 13A plug top couldn't believe it.

Ah your mate

 

[Toneyz]

Ah your mate

Yes, my mate who I work with who is the other 50% of Charltec Electrical Ltd not to be confused with (new) members imaginary mate that is going to wire that house etc.

 

[buzzlightyear]

MDJ, every time a keep looking at your avatar .Im thinking I sure that f**King dog is going to kill some one .one day!