Nagy youtube rant about capping

[goasis]

Anyone seen Thomas Nagys latest 'infotainment' video on YouTube about the use of capping?
Although I use it, mainly because of how I was taught, and the reason is I think, protect it from plasterers, rather than plaster, I don't understand how his arguments for using it make any sense...the whole speil about someone dying cos no capping was used?!! How would no capping ever result in the end user getting an electric shock? There would have to be some serious failings elsewhere for that to happen.

 

[timhoward]

Cracked open the 1664, with an Old Peculiar chaser waiting, and watching the video now.
I predict it will be mainly over dramatic tosh as by and large I consider him a bit of a drama queen.
(To be fair to him his recent video on pricing and customers was a decent presentation with good points well made.)

 

[Mikegh]

Sounds like a load of nonsense , slapping wires in and plastering over them

 

[timhoward]

My favourite quotes...
It adds a day and a half's labour to fit capping on a rewire?
Fitting capping will impress kitchen fitters.
A customer could be cleaning coffee off the wall and get an electric shock, die, and you'll end up in court if there's no capping.
(couldn't stand any more)

I fit capping because I want to, and it makes future rewires easier. I don't fit capping to save the planet.

 

[goasis]

customer could be cleaning coffee off the wall and get an electric shock, die, and you'll end

That's what i mean, his arguments weren't particularly convincing

 

[Dustydazzler]

It looks like he picked up a length of 20mm oval tubing in his video and referred to it as capping ?

Oval tube is not capping , capping is capping

And it would not add a day to your rewire using capping as you would still need to chase the wall to clip the cables down anyway

It would save you about 40 - 50 quid on the materials

 

[Calebp43]

It looks like he picked up a length of 20mm oval tubing in his video and referred to it as capping ?

Oval tube is not capping , capping is capping

And it would not add a day to your rewire using capping as you would still need to chase the wall to clip the cables down anyway

It would save you about 40 - 50 quid on the materials

Wouldn't it take longer though to use capping than just clip the cable? At least a few hours maybe?

 

[westward10]

I don't know this bloke and probably don't really want to but he is trying his hardest to elevate himself here by using a board with a marker pen like he is some sort of educated lecturer but it is an epic fail mainly because he isn't that bright or skilled. He immediately lost my interest when he referenced an East European moniker early on then referred to elderly people as old duffers and the idiotic term "winner winner chicken dinner".
He is biggest failing is inane verbal diarrhoea.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Wouldn't it take longer though to use capping than just clip the cable? At least a few hours maybe?

I could tube / cap 2 cables down a wall in a chase in probably 3 minutes , could clip the same cables in 2 minutes

So on a rewire with say 50 chases it would save me 50 minutes on the entire job

 

[catdog1121]

Cracked open the 1664, with an Old Peculiar chaser waiting, and watching the video now.
I predict it will be mainly over dramatic tosh as by and large I consider him a bit of a drama queen.
(To be fair to him his recent video on pricing and customers was a decent presentation with good points well made.)

You should watch his previous rant how dual RCD boards dont comply and we should all be fitting RCBO boards and basically insinuating anyone that fits a dual RCD board doesnt know what they are doing... I used to like him but think he has got a bit too big for his boots, just like Jordan at Artisan he charges way over the top and then is basically trying to say he is the best electrician out there... Much prefer Davo Savo, much more intelligent and reasoned content..

 

[nicebutdim]

You should watch his previous rant how dual RCD boards dont comply and we should all be fitting RCBO boards and basically insinuating anyone that fits a dual RCD board doesnt know what they are doing... I used to like him but think he has got a bit too big for his boots, just like Jordan at Artisan he charges way over the top and then is basically trying to say he is the best electrician out there... Much prefer Davo Savo, much more intelligent and reasoned content..

I watched that video and don't remember him suggesting that dual RCD boards don't comply with any regulation, but he certainly did put forward some strong views in favour of not using them. For the most part I agreed with his reasoning.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Dual RCD boards are the work of devil , poor design and ill conceived

RCBO boards all the way for me , only costs about 50 quid more for a full RCBO board if you get your gear from a decent supplier and the benefits to be able to just lose one circuit under fault instead of a raft of circuits and then visually know which circuit has a fault to just 1 circuit is priceless for the homeowner

 

[Mikegh]

Was never a great idea imo to combine lights+power on an rcd

I would even consider it bad practice

Appliance faults should never trip lights imo

 

[Zerax]

I only fit full RCBO boards... I don't give an option for anything else.

 

[pc1966]

Dual RCD boards are the work of devil , poor design and ill conceived

They made sense in the days of very expensive RCCBs, and are better than single RCD boards!

RCBO boards all the way for me , only costs about 50 quid more for a full RCBO board if you get your gear from a decent supplier and the benefits to be able to just lose one circuit under fault instead of a raft of circuits and then visually know which circuit has a fault to just 1 circuit is priceless for the homeowner

Now, for sure!

Cost of RCBOs has come down to the point it simple does not make sense to use dual RCD boards and have the risk of accumulated leakage causing odd trips, or the added trouble for the client (and sparky fault-finding) when a fault, perhaps N-E is causing all multiple circuits to do dark. As you say, the £50 or so difference is trivial compared to the £500 or so labour for the job (though I appreciate for some folks £50 is something they can barely afford).

 

[pc1966]

Sounds like a load of nonsense , slapping wires in and plastering over them

And to me, and I don't even do that sort of a job!

I would use plastic conduit, at least some chance cable can be replaced or at least adjusted for extent.

However, if you are going to plaster them in they should be held in place far enough below the surface that they don't get damaged by the trowel, etc.

 

[pc1966]

A customer could be cleaning coffee off the wall and get an electric shock, die, and you'll end up in court if there's no capping.
(couldn't stand any more)

Only if you did not do a proper job for RCD protection on buried cables, and somebody nailed the cable (which is sadly more likely than I would like to think)!

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Only if you did not do a proper job for RCD protection on buried cables, and somebody nailed the cable (which is sadly more likely than I would like to think)!

More likely to be a problem as a result of fitting capping IMO. Easy to nail the cable at the same time as the capping if you're not careful (particularly when dealing with several cables in a drop), and such a fault livens up the capping too, if metal

 

[Mikegh]

Never thought much about not using conduit until I seen the arguments the other way , I wouldn't be convinced by them

Main reasons - cable entry , adjustment and rewiring

Protection against damage from plastering and plaster

 

[Midwest]

More likely to be a problem as a result of fitting capping IMO. Easy to nail the cable at the same time as the capping if you're not careful (particularly when dealing with several cables in a drop), and such a fault livens up the capping too, if metal

Always used clout nails over the edge of capping, as opposed nailing through the sides.

Can't see any legitimate reason to fit capping other than it looks more professional. I take the original point of protection from plasters trowel, but the same can be said of other trades in ceiling voids etc, damaging cables.

I haven't seen many dot & dab installs using capping/etc, same danger from trowel?

@Pretty Mouth what conduit's do you use in such installs?

 

[7029 dave]

Only watched a few minutes, is Nagy really that desperate with his pricing and time to make such an argument over not/ using oval conduit or capping.

 

[timhoward]

Only watched a few minutes, is Nagy really that desperate with his pricing and time to make such an argument over not/ using oval conduit or capping.

I couldn't stand listening to any more either. He should stick to showing videos of his work, they were more interesting.

 

[nicebutdim]

Only watched a few minutes, is Nagy really that desperate with his pricing and time to make such an argument over not/ using oval conduit or capping.

Not watched the video, but its description reads as follows:

Why should we be fitting capping? Such as small thing but yet it not only can cut your costs but reduce your time on site! It almost seems too good to be true. WELL, in this video I'll be going into a bit of detail on why you SHOULD be fitting capping. I'll be exploring the view of the customer, contactor and the law. HOPEFULLY at the end of this video, you'll agree with some of the points I made.

That suggests his position is that capping should be used and that he explores the issue from three different perspectives.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Always used clout nails over the edge of capping, as opposed nailing through the sides.

Can't see any legitimate reason to fit capping other than it looks more professional. I take the original point of protection from plasters trowel, but the same can be said of other trades in ceiling voids etc, damaging cables.

I haven't seen many dot & dab installs using capping/etc, same danger from trowel?

@Pretty Mouth what conduit's do you use in such installs?

I like to use screws if I'm fitting capping, sometimes with a bit of all round band bridging it. I find it easier and more reliable than nails, which can be a bit hit and miss on some walls. Probably just me being ham fisted.

If I'm plastering the chases myself, I don't usually use any protection. If someone else is plastering, then I'll fit steel capping where I think necessary/is expected, unless the plasterer says he doesn't want it. I sometimes fit oval conduit to switch drops only, I can see a case for additions to these points, but not so much to anywhere else.

 

[Petej999]

Always used clout nails over the edge of capping, as opposed nailing through the sides.

Can't see any legitimate reason to fit capping other than it looks more professional. I take the original point of protection from plasters trowel, but the same can be said of other trades in ceiling voids etc, damaging cables.

I haven't seen many dot & dab installs using capping/etc, same danger from trowel?

@Pretty Mouth what conduit's do you use in such installs?

Unless you use metal capping it's a waste of time with plastic ,seen far too many plasterers slice the plastic stuff\

 

[Midwest]

I like to use screws if I'm fitting capping, sometimes with a bit of all round band bridging it. I find it easier and more reliable than nails, which can be a bit hit and miss on some walls. Probably just me being ham fisted.

If I'm plastering the chases myself, I don't usually use any protection. If someone else is plastering, then I'll fit steel capping where I think necessary/is expected, unless the plasterer says he doesn't want it. I sometimes fit oval conduit to switch drops only, I can see a case for additions to these points, but not so much to anywhere else.

Sorry think I aimed my conduit question at the wrong person, someone from NI?

@Petej999 didn't use plastic capping, cos it splinter too much, but I doubt a trowel would slice plastic. Actually takes some time to dress the cables with capping in chases, as opposed flat to wall. Way back when, I did get a sample of plastic capping, thats was like very thin trunking, which you fixed to the wall, then put cables in, then clipped on lid. Did have a sample, but long gone, along with my van

 

[LastManOnline]

More likely to be a problem as a result of fitting capping IMO. Easy to nail the cable at the same time as the capping if you're not careful (particularly when dealing with several cables in a drop), and such a fault livens up the capping too, if metal

Well made point this. All that ungrounded metal does, nt sit right. Would it not make more sense to insist capping be plastic only

 

[Mikegh]

Well made point this. All that ungrounded metal does, nt sit right. Would it not make more sense to insist capping be plastic only

I haven't seen much of the flush metal capping as we don't use it, I thought there was a tag that connected to the CPC at the box ?

Would be decent in that case for prevention of electric shock and damage from nails and screws although if drops to points are vertical it's arguable they should be idiot proof , horizontal runs between points more likely to catch someone unawares

 

[LastManOnline]

I haven't seen much of the flush metal capping as we don't use it, I thought there was a tag that connected to the CPC at the box ?

Apparently not. Metal capping appears to be an anomaly.