Washing Machine in Bathroom

[oldtimer]

Yep I have said it before people come on here not just to get advice but to get the answer they are looking for. I have been asked twice funny enough by Johnny Foreigners and I gave them a full explanation why I said no to power in the bathroom and they were not pleased and no doubt kept getting people in until someone says ok mate £60 cash and its done. For me if there was a fatality I would charge the guy who put it in and the owner who instructed him for manslaughter .

I have also had to strip a socket out of a bathroom that was installed by Johnny Foreigner because the new owner did not think it was right

 

[Engineer54]

Yep I have said it before people come on here not just to get advice but to get the answer they are looking for. I have been asked twice funny enough by Johnny Foreigners and I gave them a full explanation why I said no to power in the bathroom and they were not pleased and no doubt kept getting people in until someone says ok mate £60 cash and its done. For me if there was a fatality I would charge the guy who put it in and the owner who instructed him for manslaughter .

I have also had to strip a socket out of a bathroom that was installed by Johnny Foreigner because the new owner did not think it was right

So explain again, why can't/shouldn't we have a protected socket outlet in a bathroom??
Are all the westernised countries like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, America, Canada, (and i could go on) all wrong and the UK is right?? I'm not talking about Eastern European countries here, they have very little in the way of electrical regulations, or they do but not adhered too... The idiots of this world span the globe, the last thing any country should be is a nanny state, that uses them as the common denominator...

 

[Ducksy]

The amount of homes I visit where someone has fitted an electric shower in a bedroom is on the increase

Shower tray right next to a socket outlet, and although the shower is on a nice shiny new RCD shower CCU, the old socket outlet is on a BS3036.

Recipe for disaster..... I always advise but what can you do.

 

[Outspoken]

So explain again, why can't/shouldn't we have a protected socket outlet in a bathroom??
Are all the westernised countries like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, America, Canada, (and i could go on) all wrong and the UK is right?? I'm not talking about Eastern European countries here, they have very little in the way of electrical regulations, or they do but not adhered too... The idiots of this world span the globe, the last thing any country should be is a nanny state, that uses them as the common denominator...

It's not about a nanny state, it's about stopping people from killing other members of their family or visitors. Of course a person is able to run an extension lead into a bathroom, you cannot legislate out every idiotic action, but the fact is that putting a socket in a bathroom is simply a bad idea and other European states and the USA DO HAVE IT WRONG and their death rates by electric shock are a clear demonstration of this.

In this country, for many years, you have been able to install a safety socket in the form of a "shaver socket" that is connected to a the lighting circuit via an isolating transformer, these have a rating up to 6A though most are less. Please explain to me and the rest of the members here what you would possibly need in a bathroom that could not be powered by such a socket?? Justify the use of a standard, even if protected, 13A socket in Zone 1 of a bathroom??

 

[Engineer54]

Outspoken;765950]It's not about a nanny state, it's about stopping people from killing other members of their family or visitors. Of course a person is able to run an extension lead into a bathroom, you cannot legislate out every idiotic action, but the fact is that putting a socket in a bathroom is simply a bad idea and other European states and the USA DO HAVE IT WRONG and their death rates by electric shock are a clear demonstration of this.


In this country, for many years, you have been able to install a safety socket in the form of a "shaver socket" that is connected to a the lighting circuit via an isolating transformer, these have a rating up to 6A though most are less. Please explain to me and the rest of the members here what you would possibly need in a bathroom that could not be powered by such a socket?? Justify the use of a standard, even if protected, 13A socket in Zone 1 of a bathroom??

Really, can you substantiate that statement?? I wouldn't bother, as i know for a FACT that you can't!!

So you actually think that the use of an extension lead brought into the bathroom, is better than a sensibly placed 10mA protected socket outlet do you?? Wow!!!

Unless things have changed, your talking about a Shaver outlet, which used to be, as far as i remember, limited to 100VA. You obviously don't have any teenage daughters, or you wouldn't be asking that question!! Think along the lines of hairdryers, hair tongs, and the multitude of other girly electrical hair type appliances etc. ...lol!! As for positioning a socket outlet near a shower etc, ...have i said anything of the sort in this thread or anywhere else?? ...No, i've clearly stated, ''sensibly'' placed!! Your right about one thing though, you can't (and shouldn't) legistrate for every idiotic action!!

Think i've already stated, that i was myself inducted into this draconian No power sockets in bathrooms philosophy, until i started working overseas and found them being available in just about every country i've ever lived, visited and worked in.

 

[tazz]

This is actually true...you can take any country arcross the med and they all have washing machines installed in bathrooms (right or wrongly) as for for shaver sockets will they are isolated via transformers.

 

[Engineer54]

This is actually true...you can take any country arcross the med and they all have washing machines installed in bathrooms (right or wrongly) as for for shaver sockets will they are isolated via transformers.

Personally i think it's a crazy idea, especially in houses. I've seen the delivery men struggling away, getting heavy washing machines up and down the stairs!! lol!! Wouldn't like the clear-up either, if any of the flexible pipes burst or whatever, it's bad enough on the ground floor!! lol!!

 

[tazz]

Personally i think it's a crazy idea, especially in houses. I've seen the delivery men struggling away, getting heavy washing machines up and down the stairs!! lol!! Wouldn't like the clear-up either, if any of the flexible pipes burst or whatever, it's bad enough on the ground floor!! lol!!

In Malta & Libyia used to make me laugh as the lifts were so poorly maintained, they had to used the stairs in appartments..

 

[Engineer54]

In Malta & Libyia used to make me laugh as the lifts were so poorly maintained, they had to used the stairs in appartments..

From what i can remember from my time in Libya, nothing much worked in apartment blocks, least of all the lifts!! lol!! All were too old, with no maintenance and no spare parts available. Even the majority of cars, trucks and lorries were 30 years old and held together with duct tape and string...lol!!

 

[ackbarthestar]

Firstly,I would want to know which ways the doors opened to both the bathroom and airing cupboard.

Secondly I would want to know the condition of the flooring, whether or not it should be tiled, as stated by E54, how would you deal with leaks?.

Thirdly, what protection other than RCDs might be available to reduce a fault on one circuit appearing on another or exposed metalwork in the bathroom?.

I personally think the bottom saver will be all circuits protected by a RCD, although not always as full proof and people think.

 

[oldtimer]

I think we can all agree the the majority of bathrooms there is no room for a washing machine so whats the problem well baths are being stripped out and shower cubicles are being fitted and funny enough freeing up some space where the owner thinks well they can do this in Spain so why cannot we. well for me at a push in a shower room but again not in a bathroom why well say you fit a washing machine but you get a twin socket above it great you can plug you hairdryer in or what about a radio great but you have had a hard day and you want a bath to relieve the stresses of the day but the big match is on the radio and the only good reception is on the edge of the washing machine next to the bath............................................

So what I am saying here its all about risk so remember when we introduced smoke alarms or seat belts or air bags or gas checks I could go on but the death rate dropped big time because of these measures so do we really want to introduce risk into the bathroom

 

[Adam W]

What's the actual reason for putting the washing machine in the bathroom and not somewhere on the ground floor, like, say, the kitchen, utility room, garage etc?
I'm not saying you can't put a washing machine in a bathroom - the regs allow it and as mentioned it's quite common in other countries, but it seems to be mainly in flats where it's no more difficult to get the washing machine in and out of the bathroom than it is anywhere else.

I remember years ago we had a washing machine in the bathroom in a flat in Turkey, and yes on more than one occasion it discharged all over the floor. Fortunately the floor was tiled and there was a drain in the bathroom, as seemed to be the custom over there, so the water drained away without too much bother. Had the washing machine been in the kitchen where there wasn't a drain, the water could have either leaked into the lounge, or under the door and down the communal staircase, so it made sense to have it in the bathroom rather than putting it in there for the sake of it.

 

[telectrix]

can't see the point anyway. you have a bath, you have a " her indoors". buy her a dolly peg. who needs a washing machine?

 

[ackbarthestar]

can't see the point anyway. you have a bath, you have a " her indoors". buy her a dolly peg. who needs a washing machine?

Surely, you know the reasons why?
The girls want to have fun, do their hair and off out partying. There's no time left to wash her fella's undertrollies... Wear them for a few months and just leave them on the floor and they somehow manage to make their own way into the WM...

 

[Engineer54]

So what I am saying here its all about risk so remember when we introduced smoke alarms or seat belts or air bags or gas checks I could go on but the death rate dropped big time because of these measures so do we really want to introduce risk into the bathroom

Yes i think we can all agree about washing machines in bathrooms. lol!! But i will point out, that the bathrooms in most modern houses within Cyprus (2.5 X 3m is very common) and many other Med countries are quite a lot bigger than most found in the UK ...lol!!

If someone wanted to watch or listen to the big match while having a bath, in the UK, without doubt, in will come the extension lead. Same as many of the female gender will want to sort their hair out in the bathroom. So as i said before, what is the better safety situation, an extension lead of unknown quality, or a suitably placed 10mA protected socket?? I just think it's a No-Brainer myself....

 

[Outspoken]

Really, can you substantiate that statement?? I wouldn't bother, as i know for a FACT that you can't!!

So you actually think that the use of an extension lead brought into the bathroom, is better than a sensibly placed 10mA protected socket outlet do you?? Wow!!!

Unless things have changed, your talking about a Shaver outlet, which used to be, as far as i remember, limited to 100VA. You obviously don't have any teenage daughters, or you wouldn't be asking that question!! Think along the lines of hairdryers, hair tongs, and the multitude of other girly electrical hair type appliances etc. ...lol!! As for positioning a socket outlet near a shower etc, ...have i said anything of the sort in this thread or anywhere else?? ...No, i've clearly stated, ''sensibly'' placed!! Your right about one thing though, you can't (and shouldn't) legistrate for every idiotic action!!

Think i've already stated, that i was myself inducted into this draconian No power sockets in bathrooms philosophy, until i started working overseas and found them being available in just about every country i've ever lived, visited and worked in.

When I get in from work I shall substantiate my statement and yes I do have a teenage daughter, no I do not live in China that has a low opinion on the value of life and a 100VA Tx is enough for a radio in the bathroom, anything else is plain stupid.

Just because everyone does it does not make it or them right, there was a time when everyone lived in trees, we don't any more..and that started with a few going against the grain..

Incidentaly, stating someone will bring an extension lead into a bathroom is not the same as sanctioning it or stating it is a better solution..extension leads in bathroom is even more idiotic than sockets.

 

[telectrix]

but are these trtees RCD protected? do they have a preservation order? have to be carefull not to damasge the tree.

 

[Toonlad]

OK so I'm new here, but why are people banging on about what the Johnny Foreigners do in their home nation, we are in the UK not the USA or, god forbid, France. We have the lowest electrical death rates per head of population in the developed world, we may bemoan the regs at times, but they were written the way they are because most people are thick and simply ignore common sense when it comes to the electricity in their homes.

Sockets in normal sized bathrooms is a stupid idea, washing machines or other white goods is equally stupid, but if you are going to be stupid, put a RCD on the thing at least and show some common sense.

So explain again, why can't/shouldn't we have a protected socket outlet in a bathroom??
Are all the westernised countries like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, America, Canada, (and i could go on) all wrong and the UK is right?? I'm not talking about Eastern European countries here, they have very little in the way of electrical regulations, or they do but not adhered too... The idiots of this world span the globe, the last thing any country should be is a nanny state, that uses them as the common denominator...

It's not about a nanny state, it's about stopping people from killing other members of their family or visitors. Of course a person is able to run an extension lead into a bathroom, you cannot legislate out every idiotic action, but the fact is that putting a socket in a bathroom is simply a bad idea and other European states and the USA DO HAVE IT WRONG and their death rates by electric shock are a clear demonstration of this.

In this country, for many years, you have been able to install a safety socket in the form of a "shaver socket" that is connected to a the lighting circuit via an isolating transformer, these have a rating up to 6A though most are less. Please explain to me and the rest of the members here what you would possibly need in a bathroom that could not be powered by such a socket?? Justify the use of a standard, even if protected, 13A socket in Zone 1 of a bathroom??

Really, can you substantiate that statement?? I wouldn't bother, as i know for a FACT that you can't!!

So you actually think that the use of an extension lead brought into the bathroom, is better than a sensibly placed 10mA protected socket outlet do you?? Wow!!!

Unless things have changed, your talking about a Shaver outlet, which used to be, as far as i remember, limited to 100VA. You obviously don't have any teenage daughters, or you wouldn't be asking that question!! Think along the lines of hairdryers, hair tongs, and the multitude of other girly electrical hair type appliances etc. ...lol!! As for positioning a socket outlet near a shower etc, ...have i said anything of the sort in this thread or anywhere else?? ...No, i've clearly stated, ''sensibly'' placed!! Your right about one thing though, you can't (and shouldn't) legistrate for every idiotic action!!

Think i've already stated, that i was myself inducted into this draconian No power sockets in bathrooms philosophy, until i started working overseas and found them being available in just about every country i've ever lived, visited and worked in.

When I get in from work I shall substantiate my statement and yes I do have a teenage daughter, no i do not live in China that has a low opinion on the value of life and a 100VA Tx is enough for a radio in the bathroom, anything else is plain stupid.

Just because evryone does it does not make it right, there was a time when everyone lived in trees, we don't any more..and that started with a few going against the grain..

Going to crack the popcorn out on this one, i think there is some mileage in it

 

[Outspoken]

Going to crack the popcorn out on this one, i think there is some mileage in it

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Nah, just difference of opinion and attitude...I'm right and he is wrong, Nuff said..Muhahahaha

 

[Outspoken]

but are these trtees RCD protected? do they have a preservation order? have to be carefull not to damasge the tree.

Tel, only the lights in the tree have to be RCD protected as per section 559.10 as they cannot be placed out of reach of said tree occupants.