Another amendment…. Another big book.
What colour this time?

Is this a definite future, or some multiversal tangent?
 
Coding is the opinion of the person undertaking the job not what some "electrical chat" is telling you. You can chose to make it unsatisfactory even if there are no Code 2, 3 or FI that is your perogative.
Any item raised should be set against the requirements of the Wiring Regulations, not against the inspector’s personal judgement.
 
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that is an AI generated answer to the question so is worthless.
A bit of a harsh statement, seems like even if the AI answer is correct in your eyes, it would still be worthless.
 
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If the OP is referring to the Tech Talk at CEF live the 2 speakers were not NICEIC employees/representatives. Darren Staniforth long since left the NICEIC and I'm not sure that Dave Austin has been either. 2 senior members from the IET were also on stage. From what was said by the 4 presenters I did not take from it that FI would now be 'satisfactory' per se. I think that there is concern that the 'industry' uses FI codes too much when they shouldn't be.

IMO CPS bashing is a somewhat stale and boring pastime. There are good and bad testers. Some are members of a CPS and some aren't.
 
I did not take from it that FI would now be 'satisfactory' per se. I think that there is concern that the 'industry' uses FI codes too much when they shouldn't be.
Revised FI Code:
The definition of "Further Investigation" is proposed to change from "required without delay" to "recommended". This means that an FI code on an EICR will no longer automatically render the report as unsatisfactory.

Alignment with C3 Observations:
If the proposed changes are adopted, FIs would be grouped with C3 (Improvement Recommended) observations, potentially allowing for a "Satisfactory" outcome, depending on other factors.
 
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Another amendment…. Another big book.
What colour this time?

Is this a definite future, or some multiversal tangent?
I’ve got multi colours in my wardrobe from 15th -18th … some money worth there
Brown, Red,Yellow, Blue ..Green any more?😎
Revised FI Code:
The definition of "Further Investigation" is proposed to change from "required without delay" to "recommended". This means that an FI code on an EICR will no longer automatically render the report as unsatisfactory.

Alignment with C3 Observations:
If the proposed changes are adopted, FIs would be grouped with C3 (Improvement Recommended) observations, potentially allowing for a "Satisfactory" outcome, depending on other factors.
Exactly What I tried to say…Yes!!!
 
I’ve got multi colours in my wardrobe from 15th -18th … some money worth there
Brown, Red,Yellow, Blue ..Green any more?😎
Rainbow? That's appropriate..... for Pride month!
 
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A bit of a harsh statement, seems like even if the AI answer is correct in your eyes, it would still be worthless.

On its own, without supporting evidence, yes it's worthless as there is no way of knowing whether it is right or wrong.
 
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Even if it gets a % of the questions correct it can’t be said to be worthless.

As already said @ #20
 
Even if it gets a % of the questions correct it can’t be said to be worthless.

As already said @ #20
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Even if it gets a % of the questions correct it can’t be said to be worthless.

As already said @ #20

I did not say that AI is worthless I said that this particular statement from AI is worthless, a very different statement t
 
I did not say that AI is worthless I said that this particular statement from AI is worthless, a very different statement t

You said “that is an AI generated answer to the question so is worthless.” Even though imo the answer is correct which obviously isn’t worthless.

Enough said I think.
 
Let's not argue the t@ss over AI.
 
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4th ammendment already? They just cant wait to scam the 19th editon book to us can they.
 
Doesn't change the fact it does not say it shall be satisfactory if 1, 2 and FI are not present.
You need @davesparks to be in your corner Westward, he was in agreement with you.

If I got a response from the IET saying that it will be a satisfactory outcome if no 1,2 or FI, would you then cease to capitulate? :D
 
You need @davesparks to be in your corner Westward, he was in agreement with you.

If I got a response from the IET saying that it will be a satisfactory outcome if no 1,2 or FI, would you then cease to capitulate? :D
No.
 
Well that's ruined my plan then.
If a response from the IET will not sway you, what will?
There must be an organisation that you respect or believe has greater knowledge than yourself that you will listen too? Surely that must be the IET, if they are the ones that write the spec out on the EICR's?

Also, it would be good to know your reasoning? I'm guessing it is along the lines of ....

A house could be littered with C3's to the point where the electrician feels an unsatisfactory is required?

I'm 85% in disagreement with you, but 15% open to suggestion!
 
Well that's ruined my plan then.
If a response from the IET will not sway you, what will?
There must be an organisation that you respect or believe has greater knowledge than yourself that you will listen too? Surely that must be the IET, if they are the ones that write the spec out on the EICR's?

Also, it would be good to know your reasoning? I'm guessing it is along the lines of ....

A house could be littered with C3's to the point where the electrician feels an unsatisfactory is required?

I'm 85% in disagreement with you, but 15% open to suggestion!
Because it doesn't state must be satisfactory if none of these codes are present.
 

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