Certification

[ForPetesSake]

Hi, I am not an electrician and a bit of a novice on these matters, but I was hoping someone out there could help me. I had an electrician do a complete rewiring on a house last year, after the work I paid him in full, but he didnt issue a certificate for the work. I have since been on to him several times and I just get fobbed off that it will be snet to me at some stage, we are talking 4 months ago that the work was completed. as far as I can see the electrician concerned is not registered with any organisation, is there anything I can do to get him to issue a certificate, or do I need to go elsewhere and pay someone to test and certificate the system? Any advice would be welcomed.

 

[Octopus]

Not this AGAIN.

Please tell ALL your friends to check that the spark IS registered before getting notifiable work done.

 

[andyb]

Not this AGAIN.

Please tell ALL your friends to check that the spark IS registered before getting notifiable work done.

As Murdoch says, and get a solicitor.

 

[telectrix]

it's time all this nonsense was scrapped. paying labc to raise a building notice when no building is taking place..£300. or being a member of a scam, which, as we have seen countless times, is no proof of competence, just an ability to tick boxes and be able to pay an annual fee. could say more, but it's all sorted now. incompetence is cured by fitting metal CUs.

 

[ForPetesSake]

Thanks Murdoch & Andy, I can see from your replies that this is a frequent novice one, didn't realise, I will certainly learn from this lesson, also didnt realise that only way forward would be via a solicitor

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If the person was registered, you could complain to their Scheme.
Another option is for you and a couple of large friends to call round and insist on the certification being issued.

 

[andyb]

Thanks Murdoch & Andy, I can see from your replies that this is a frequent novice one, didn't realise, I will certainly learn from this lesson, also didnt realise that only way forward would be via a solicitor

Not necessarily Pete if you're still in contact and on speaking terms with your electrician. You could sort it out.
If not and he doesn't belong to a scheme then I'm afraid it's the legal route.

 

[Andy78]

A call to trading standards would not go amiss too.

 

[Octopus]

Thanks Murdoch & Andy, I can see from your replies that this is a frequent novice one, didn't realise, I will certainly learn from this lesson, also didnt realise that only way forward would be via a solicitor

Did they promise you a certificate and / or LABC Part P notification? If so you should raise this with Trading Standards too.

 

[ForPetesSake]

yes he did promise a certificate, i am still in contact with him, the guy replies to my emails with he will do it when he gets round to it, but as its 4 months now I don't think he has any intention of doing it, I will try speaking to him once more and then call trading standards, thanks all for the advice. unfortunately I think he probably knows more heavies in the area than me spinlondon, maybe a few heavies down from the smoke, but a long way to Cornwall.

 

[rolyberkin]

Hi, I am not an electrician and a bit of a novice on these matters, but I was hoping someone out there could help me. I had an electrician do a complete rewiring on a house last year, after the work I paid him in full, but he didnt issue a certificate for the work. I have since been on to him several times and I just get fobbed off that it will be snet to me at some stage, we are talking 4 months ago that the work was completed. as far as I can see the electrician concerned is not registered with any organisation, is there anything I can do to get him to issue a certificate, or do I need to go elsewhere and pay someone to test and certificate the system? Any advice would be welcomed.

Do you have any documentation outlining the scope of the work and what was agreed, i.e he would test and inspect or he would test inspect and notify to the local authority?

Depending on how solid your case is as above you should consider writing a letter (send by registered post) stating that the work is notifiable to the local authority and should you not receive a certificate and the notification is not undertaken within so many days (suggest 21) you will instigate the remedial work to be undertaken by another electrician at his expense and then instigate suitable legal action to recover those costs.

Once this is done you should send a copy of the invoice requesting payment from the original electrician again by registered post. If this payment is not received in another pre defined time period (21 days) you then file a small claim against him for the remedial work via the small claims court local to you area, can be done online.

In my opinion there is no use in using a solicitor you are just throwing good money after bad, most people will settle after the court claim is lodged as if they are trading they cannot afford to have a County Court Judgement against them.

Hope this helps, if in doubt talk to your local citizens advice bureau for free advice.

 

[ForPetesSake]

Hi Roly, thanks very much for your input, yes I do have the original quote & it states:-

"Based on our site meeting on Thursday 21st may 2015, I am pleased to submit the following quote, which includes all materials and labour along with the necessary certificates issued on completion and full payment. It does not include any
making good"

It then goes on to list all the work that is to be done, over £3K's worth, is this substantial enough & does this constitute something that is notifiable to the local authority? if so I will proceed as you suggest

 

[Octopus]

Hi Roly, thanks very much for your input, yes I do have the original quote & it states:-

"Based on our site meeting on Thursday 21st may 2015, I am pleased to submit the following quote, which includes all materials and labour along with the necessary certificates issued on completion and full payment. It does not include any
making good"

It then goes on to list all the work that is to be done, over £3K's worth, is this substantial enough & does this constitute something that is notifiable to the local authority? if so I will proceed as you suggest

For a rewire there should be a single EIC (electrical installation certificate) and a LABC Part P certificate. The fact he used "certificates" certainly suggests he intended to provide both.

A rewire is notifiable,
A new fuseboard is notificable
A new circuit is notifiable
Electrical work in a bathroom is notifiable.

Can you find him on here:

Competent Persons Register | Home

 

[Dave OCD]

If this work was a full or partial rewire it would be notifiable under 'Part P' and all installation work no matter how small should be tested and certified in order to comply with the wiring regulations [BS7671] Pete.

 

[ForPetesSake]

thanks for clarifying that, really useful, I feel a bit more confident about sorting this out now

 

[ForPetesSake]

i already checked & he doesnt appear to be on this register

 

[Risteard]

The fact he used "certificates" certainly suggests he intended to provide both.

He could have been referring to the certificate required under BS 5839-6:2013 though, or something else.