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Thanks again Westward. It seems that the emergency light does not have to be 30 cm away from the light, right?You already have a thread running on this topic. If you are installing emergency lighting you should know this. Why is an automatic detector affected by adjacent obstacles and does this apply to emergency lighting.
Westward I have bought the lights that are to BS5266 standard, I am just wiring them to the light roseAre you designing this or doing it to spec. These are safety systems and should be installed to BS5266:1.
Oh ok. I've just had a quick look on the internet but don't understand it. Will look at properly another time. ThanksThe lights are not made to BS5266 but the installation is designed to it. So you have designed the system and will commission it as per this Standard?
Westward I have read more. It seems that I can just connect the live and neautral to the light circuit. By design I suppose you mean where to place them. it's a terraced 3 level house. I can place them near the light on the 3 levels and the extension so that they light up all the passages and reflects the light 20 metres away.The lights are not made to BS5266 but the installation is designed to it. So you have designed the system and will commission it as per this Standard?
Thanks Tim I have read more. It seems that I can just connect the live and neautral to the light circuit. By design I suppose you mean where to place them. it's a terraced 3 level house. I can place them near the light on the 3 levels and the extension so that they light up all the passages and reflects the light 20 metres away.I'm assuming this is a commercial job if multiple units are being mentioned.
There's quite a lot more to the location of emergency lighting than how far it should be away from other things.
Off the top of my head things like
-what does the fire risk assessment say
-where do escape routes change direction and level
-how wide are corridors
-which stairwells are escape routes
-even how big are the toilets!
...all play a part in dictating where you need them, how many you need and how bright they need to be.
If people 'fail to escape' you can be held liable as the designer. If you can't prove competence or experience with BS 5266 then in the nicest way possible you might want to protect yourself and reconsider this job, or at a minimum tell the customer that you want to see the FRA and you'll need to consult whoever did it to approve your plans to ensure they (the customer) cannot be held liable for any errors of judgement.
Well you seem determined to do this no matter what we say. Connect live and neutral possibly more to it than that but your choice. There are many people out there who install these systems with no knowledge of BS5266 because it is just wires, I'm an electrician how difficult can it be.Westward I have read more. It seems that I can just connect the live and neautral to the light circuit. By design I suppose you mean where to place them. it's a terraced 3 level house. I can place them near the light on the 3 levels and the extension so that they light up all the passages and reflects the light 20 metres away.
Thanks @Vortigern It's a large HMO. The council have asked for these Iluminaires to be fitted to BS5266.1 standardAs I think @westward10 was alluding to, the placement of emergency lighting it prescibed by BS5266. Pretty much as @timhoward has listed plus a few more items such as luminance from photometric data usually supplied by the manufacturer. As you may know lights can contain emergency/anti panic lighting so distance is not an issue. As to just connect live and neutral, again it is not as simple as that. It requires two lives one being switched and a neutral so you will need to think about what you are doing a tad more. Is this for you? What kind of premises is it in? Why do you even need to fit them?
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Thanks @Vortigern It's a large HMO. The council have asked for these Iluminaires to be fitted to BS5266.1 standard
DPG I can only do simple electricsAnd are you competent to do this? Do you have a good working knowledge of the standard and how to install to it?
DPG I can only do simple electrics
An electrician who is my mum's neighbour insists that he won't charge me for the work, just for the certificate £120. He says that the electrical certificate is separate. He can't do both together. Is this true??? As my electrical certificate will be due in 2 years again.
Emergency light certificate. Installation I guesswhat certificate is he issuing?
The council in their notice have only asked for the installation of emergency iluminaire lights. They haven't asked for a certificate. But lightening to all the above comments I thought in case of a future mishap, if the insurance co asks who fitted them, better that I get the certificate.for £120 i would want to know what certificate he is issuing!!!
i would find out first what certificate the local authority is asking for, because it may be a waste of money.
He's confirmed it will am installation cert. Thanks Jamessomething like that, not to be confused with a test certificate
The link James sent above of the installation certificate mentions that the issuer declares it's to BS 5266-1+BS...... Surely if someone is certifying installation it has to confirm to British StandardsAll very well giving Certification but how are you ensuring compliance with BS5266:1.
YesSo he is confirming compliance.
You can put what ever you wish on a Certificate but it doesn't mean it complies.The link James sent above of the installation certificate mentions that the issuer declares it's to BS 5266-1+BS...... Surely if someone is certifying installation it has to confirm to British Standards
He is qualified electrician and he is the one installing them. He's not issuing the cert. without seeing the work.You can put what ever you wish on a Certificate but it doesn't mean it complies.
Is he going to be providing the photometric data to accompany the Certificate. To be honest anyone who offers to sell you a Certificate is nothing more than a chancer.
James what makes you think I'm doing it myself. Yes initially I did persist that. But upon everyone's advise I am going to get a professional electrician to do it, as I saw the light (pun intended) and realised that the consequences could be detremental. Say the lights don't function as they are supposed to, noone's fault, a mishap and the insurance company will say where is the certificate of installation. I appreciate everyone's advice. I know you guys are doing this as a service to society. Bless you're hearts.Give up,
designing and installing emergency lighting for dwellings is the job of a specialist.
Take your fire risk assessment to 3 company's that do this sort of work everyday and we will help you decide what is the best quote.
Honestly it is not something that you should be lashing together yourself and trying to find someone to write a dodgy installation certificate for.
these lights are not there to tick a box on a form or to look good, they are true LIFESAVERS
and if you fail in any part of the design, installation, testing, maintenance of them and the worst happens, you may have to stand in court and watch the family's of those affected by your actions hug each other with tears rolling down their cheeks as you are sentenced and imprisoned.
we cannot advise on ways to beat the system or avoid having a professional job done when it is obviously out of your competency to do do it your self but you seem determined to do just that and hope for the best.
If I had the Button to do it,
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Anyhu, my question was-that the electrical certificate is separate. Electrical and emergency light certificate cannot be together. Is this true??? As my electrical certificate is due again in 2 yearsJames what makes you think I'm doing it myself. Yes initially I did persist that. But upon everyone's advise I am going to get a professional electrician to do it, as I saw the light (pun intended) and realised that the consequences could be detremental. Say the lights don't function as they are supposed to, noone's fault, a mishap and the insurance company will say where is the certificate of installation. I appreciate everyone's advice. I know you guys are doing this as a service to society. Bless you're hearts.
Ask the person certifying it.Anyhu, my question was-that the electrical certificate is separate. Electrical and emergency light certificate cannot be together. Is this true??? As my electrical certificate is due again in 2 years
He says they are separate. I just wanted to verify thatAsk the person certifying it.
Are you a trainee.He says they are separate. I just wanted to verify that
NoAre you a trainee.
Let's not confuse matters even further - the one that is due in two years is a different certificate for an inspection of the whole installation for electrical safety. Completely irrespective of that:Anyhu, my question was-that the electrical certificate is separate. Electrical and emergency light certificate cannot be together. Is this true??? As my electrical certificate is due again in 2 years
Thank you TimLet's not confuse matters even further - the one that is due in two years is a different certificate for an inspection of the whole installation for electrical safety. Completely irrespective of that:
Any new electrical work requires certification upon completion.
Anything that specifically declares conformity to BS5266 and other relevant standards would be an additional certificate.
It's already been suggested that talking to the person that is offering to provide the certificates would be a good next step. We can't 2nd guess their intentions.
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