is it worth going part p

[robbalaar86]

Hi guys I'm doing my NVQ 3 I have 2330 up to level 3 etc.
Is it worth going part p with any of the schemes or should I just wait to get my gold card?
What are your thoughts?
I know part p is kind of frowned upon but I need the work as my full time job is just that a job to keep the bank happy.
I have plenty of new build and house bashing experience but lack a bit of recent testing knowledge.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[Octopus]

Done to deathh on here. Use the search.

 

[robbalaar86]

Ok mate will do

 

[Guest55]

i wouldnt bother going part p in your position , not worth the costs as you can still get plenty of experience with the forthcoming increased list of non-notifiable jobs.
a jib card will get your foot in the door for commercial work so focus on that objective.

 

[robbalaar86]

Cheers biff ill keep concentrating on the NVQ then. Thanks for the advice

 

[Guest55]

no worries

 

[loop3]

Two different paths. Part p domestic ****. Your own work! Gold card, big firms. It can pay to have both. I do. small jobs to get extra money from doms. Good money. Must be your own thing though. I go 55 pounds per hour. Jib gold is getting harder. Big firms are employing dick heads to install cms and the like then getting a real spark to do the complicated/ experienced needed stuff, you'll also need other tickets to compliment the gold card. Either way, it's a business and will need investment.

 

[robbalaar86]

Thanks loop, I think I want to do more domestic at the moment as I don't feel ready to do the commercial stuff as that's for the experienced boys but then I think if I don't try I'm never going to learn. It's a tough market I have a full time job for bills which is unrelated but evenings and weekends I work non stop. I finished my apprenticeship and went subbying now I can't find full time employment in the industry I love. Frustrating

 

[pete555]

stick to gold card domestic work can only be done by foreign labour who qualify abroad or thats what i have found

 

[Essexboy7]

I can't find full time employment in the industry I love. Frustrating

Just out of interest mate what exactly is it about this industry you love so much?

 

[robbalaar86]

Trust me chap you'd love the industry if you had to do a cleaning job for 5 months to feed the little one. But in all honesty I love the job and it's something I'd do for minimum wage it's not about the dollar for me, although when I get a nice little earner it does make it better

 

[Essexboy7]

and it's something I'd do for minimum wage it's not about the dollar for me, although when I get a nice little earner it does make it better

People like you are a classic example why the game aint worth a ---- now.Its a skilled trade.Why the hell would anyone want to do a 3 year apprenticeship and go and work for minimum wage.I have been a spark for 29 years and remember when we were the premier trade on site.Over the years i have watched it be steadily eroded and now we have got people coming into it who are happy to work for minimum wage?What hope is there?


I dont want to be having a pop at you mate but i have never liked the game ,the only thing i have ever liked is the money and that has gone now.I have never seen the attraction of working in dirty,cold,unsafe conditions, being treated like a dog,having no holiday or sick pay,being pumped with the click of the fingers and having to pay some parasite payment company for the privilege of geting your own wages.Thats why i was asking what you loved so much about it?

Now i have to go and lie down with a bottle of whiskey and some valium

 

[robbalaar86]

I think you have misunderstood mate, I would do it for free if I win the lottery.... Doesn't mean I would. I play footie because I love it and I don't get paid. I wouldn't work for minimum wage at all. I was just making a point I love the trade. I value my skills. I don't think you can blame me for the down turn of the trade you should be aiming your anger else where.
Such as the Eastern Europeans that do work for 4 quid an hour.

 

[Martyc]

In my case I don't mind working for peanuts because any other job I can get is less than peanuts around here. For example currently my salary works out to £6.81 an hour based on a 40 hour week. But it's not a 40 hour week, I'm expected to work regular weekends (about every other), 6/7 days a week on demand, no training but expected to fix anything with inadequate tools and no money allowed to buy stock to replace parts when things break. I wouldn't choose to work for that if I didn't have to, but I'd rather work for sod all than be on the dole. So if I could get in 'the trade' and someone offered me £8 an hour I'd snap their arm off. Too many companies get away with paying not enough and expect tax credits etc to top up wages and that's why there's so many people out there like me who can only dream of earning £10 an hour at the moment. Blame the system, not the people who are willing to work for less because to them it's probably a damn sight more than what they're used to!

 

[jay900]

Go part p mate

 

[Des 56]

I gave the post a like because I only ever went to work for money,not because of my liking for the subject of electrics
Other comments in the post don't sit that well with my opinions

Of course you are right in what you say martyc
No one in thier right mind would deliberately work for peanuts

Blaming single individuals or even the immigrants is losing the plot slightly
In a free market economy,the availability of labour is supply and demand
If the goods are flowing and the company need labour,the rates will reflect how much available labour there is around

Blame ?
Here are a few to head the list

Investment(or rather non investment these days) bankers
Politicians
Cheap imports being permitted where child and slave labour are used and our companies turn a blind eye
You,me and the whole of consumers for putting too much value on low price
You need money,you work for whats available,that deserves applause rather than criticism

 

[oldtimer]

I totally agree with Essex when serving my time one of my tradesmen said son do you know why the other trades hate us its because they are a bunch of greed barstewards who are selfish and all they care about is the bonus where we negotiated a good hourly rate travelling time and holiday pay pay plus we had to go to college and study for proper exams .

So what went wrong well the Schemes got involved with part P and domestics me I was time served industrial and commercial got my C&Gs served my 6 not 4 years to attain approved status or gold card and I aint going to apologise to anyone for working and studying hard to get it so going from I&C to domestic is what I call a scooosh but this is where it gets mad there are guys running around bagging qualifications doing domestics and say I am an electrician and its not fair that i cannot get my gold card yet domestics is about 10% of what an a I&C electrician needs to know . Yes we work in a free market so EEC imagrants have the right to enter this country so I aint blaming them but they are in my view contributing to this have pliers will travel mentality that has now saturated our trade to such a degree my heart sinks when I read I am a forklift driver and want to better myself stories how can i be an electrician in 5 weeks .

Now I have got nothing against that but we are opening the doors to anyone and thats the reason why I have had to temper my input to some post as I see as chancers in my view plus this forum is in a peverse way encouraging it No we need what we had years ago Darwins Law where the ones who wanted to suceed do and the wasters fall by the way side hard I know but we cannot keep going like this ie a fight to the bottom .

O and by the way would I do this job for minimum wage cos I love yea my arse I would no I would rather stack shelves for the same money a save myself all the stress

 

[Dcf]

I also remember the days of the sparks being top dog.a sad memory now alas.
its right on its arse when boys dream of making 10.00 an hour! Wtf!
its been covered in the Sma and deskilling of the industry thread but I reckon it's down to the training and the rise of the "specialist"
i served my time with a small contractor who would have a core of 10 sparks and 5 or 6 lads all old school men.they did everything fro domestic appliance repairs to large industrial stuff.there was no domestic / industrial spark. There was just a spark
the reason we used to be respected was the wide range of stuff you had to know
now we have boys doing domestic who can't bend a bit pipe or wire a basic motor circuit and industrial boys who can't wire a 2 way.the days of the all rounder in our and most other trades is really gone.this is one of the reasons that rates are on the slide.im off for a gin.

 

[robbalaar86]

Completely gone off the actual topic of the thread. I for one love the job and as an apprentice did domestic new builds and re-wires but I also spent months just bending pipe which I thought at the time jeez this is getting annoying but I am pretty damn good at it now. However my point was should I go for part p scheme and be a domestic electrician or should I go for the gold card. The world doesn't owe me a living and I slogged the apprenticeship route no 5 week quick fix for me. Although who is to say what route is correct? I'm certainly in no position to judge. I love my job and I won't apologise for that.

 

[Johnuk]

why do you need to go part p?, are you going to leave your company when you just get your gold card????? you don't need part p if the company has it all ready mate, when you get your gold card ask can u do more testing /????