LED downlights

[dawsirn]

Hi,

I'm pricing up a job at the moment that includes about 36 LED downlights to be installed mostly in kitchen dining areas.
I was wondering if anyone has an opinion which is better to install for the customers sake, either standard GU10 downlights with LED (dimmable) lamps or to install the fittings with the integral lamps such as the JCC FGLED7?

i can get the JCC ones at a reasonable price but it does work out a bit cheaper the other way.
and at some point the customer will ask how to change the lamps on the JCC ones and i'll have to explain you cant but have 10 year warranty but i'm guessing your a bit stuffed when they do finally fail.

I'm thinking standard gu10 fittings with replaceable lamps are better in the long term unless anybody can explain otherwise.

thanks for any advice
Cheers

 

[danzor]

Standard GU10 all day long. I'm installing the built in fittings on a job at the moment, I don't like the idea they offer 10 year warrant but who's to say in 5 years they will be discontinued?

 

[D Skelton]

Fully integrated fittings every time! You'll only get a maximum of 5 years out of an LED GU10 instead of the 10 for the integrated fittings. Be aware also that just because the 10 year or 100,000 hour warrantee runs out after 10 years, that doesn't necessarily mean that the lamp will fail at this point! Also, if the lamp does fail, most manufacturers will just replace without question, even if the model is discontinued they'll replace with the most similar new model. Also be aware that the lumen/watt values of integrated fittings are far better, that is unless you want to start paying the same sort of money for a GU10, thus better value for money in the long run.

We carry out halogen to LED replacements on a regular basis thus we bulk order our LED fittings, the price we pay for them (top quality fittings as well, not cheap crap) is not far from the cost of an LED GU10 and fire rated can.

The other thing to remember is the quality of the colour rendering of an LED fitting. You will struggle to find, unless you are paying top whack, a LED GU10 that produces the same colour and quality of light as a halogen lamp. The Aurora fittings we use, when on are completely indistinguishable from a 12V halogen, the only give away to someone who knows what they're looking at is the light output which is about 30% more and the LED chip on show rather than the filament when the lamp is off.

Don't try and scrimp and go for the GU10 versions, it's a false economy.

 

[back_ache]

I have just installed some complete LED units

Ovia Scolmore LED4400 8W Dimmable LED IP65 Downlight


They seem a great little unit, they use a quality LED brand, have a nice heatsink, a power-supply that bends 45 degrees for tight spaces and a comes with a click connector

The supplier I got them from priced similar to a decent GU10 price so was a no-brainer

Ovia Scolmore LED4400 8W Dimmable LED IP65 Downlight - £29.90 - ETC Electrical Supplies

 

[Octopus]

With 36 fittings to install, the design of the layout and switching will be almost as important as the actual fittings.

How big is the room? how many "switch" zones are you/the client planning?

I've recently installed 16 JCC7's in our kitchen/diner and I have 4 "zones".

 

[dawsirn]

With 36 fittings to install, the design of the layout and switching will be almost as important as the actual fittings.

How big is the room? how many "switch" zones are you/the client planning?

I've recently installed 16 JCC7's in our kitchen/diner and I have 4 "zones".

well:
upstairs living area room will have 1 switch doing 6
downstairs dining area will have 1 switch doing 9
kitchen area will have 1 switch doing 9 and another switch doing 12
should be OK I'd imagine with either type of fitting i assume?

cheers

 

[Rockingit]

Another part of this equation is driver technology and earth leakage...in my experience the GU10 drivers are far far worse than those in the integral fittings which have the space to do the job properly!

 

[Octopus]

well:
upstairs living area room will have 1 switch doing 6
downstairs dining area will have 1 switch doing 9
kitchen area will have 1 switch doing 9 and another switch doing 12
should be OK I'd imagine with either type of fitting i assume?

cheers

In which case make dam sure the client doesn't want dimming or you could well be in trouble!

 

[diditrain]

When a lamp fails, the customer will probably feel comfortable replacing themselves, when a fitting fails they will probably require the services of an Electrician. Just another take on this.

Also if one of these fittings fail, does the manufacturer give a suitable replacement, aswell as covering the callback cost for you to replace them, if the fail within the warranty period?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

You can bet that if they are guaranteed for 10 years, they will be darned darned sure they will last alot longer than that.

never touch that kind of guarantee with replaceable GU10s. And the price of either option is comparable now so its a no brainer (I thought).

 

[telectrix]

thought you'd be 2nd fixing by now. LOL. :santa_cheesy:

 

[dawsirn]

In which case make dam sure the client doesn't want dimming or you could well be in trouble!

I thought the amount on each switch would be dimmed quite easily?
Haven't tried the product yet but a switch like this (but 3gang) would be ok? Varilight V-Pro 4 Gang Dimmer 250W - Classic Plastic White - Classic White Plastic

Or am i missing something?
cheers

 

[SPARTYKUS]

thought you'd be 2nd fixing by now. LOL. :santa_cheesy:

Waiting for wet pants and the spread- who told client he was concerned as no capping on cables... Yer nahh fer stopping nails and that drilling through (yawn)

 

[telectrix]

so tell him if he's that bad at filling chases, you'll get someone else that can fill a chase without slicing into cables.

 

[sparks1234]

Not really had a problem with that number of led lamps on a dimmer but to do need to get the right ones, aurora seem to be good, and Siemens light wave, also the lamps make a difference, megaman seem to be a better one

 

[Bernard1991]

Hi,

I'm pricing up a job at the moment that includes about 36 LED downlights to be installed mostly in kitchen dining areas.
I was wondering if anyone has an opinion which is better to install for the customers sake, either standard GU10 downlights with LED (dimmable) lamps or to install the fittings with the integral lamps such as the JCC FGLED7?

i can get the JCC ones at a reasonable price but it does work out a bit cheaper the other way.
and at some point the customer will ask how to change the lamps on the JCC ones and i'll have to explain you cant but have 10 year warranty but i'm guessing your a bit stuffed when they do finally fail.

I'm thinking standard gu10 fittings with replaceable lamps are better in the long term unless anybody can explain otherwise.

thanks for any advice
Cheers

Hey dude had a look at your post and have you considered the ksr led10 I think them better designed reason being:
Pros
1 there led unit and transformer unit are separate so if either break down it can be replaced
2 much cheaper both standard and dimmable
3 the led unit has a huge heat sink keeping It cool
4 no registration required for its full warranty
5 available in brass
6 faces can be easily changed without removing from celing (simply unscrew)
7 fire rated
8 double insulated so no earth needed on the fitting
cons: (that I see)
1 only a five year warranty (doesn't bother me really but only compared to jccs 10years it is)
2 only comes in white other finishes are available at little extra cost (faces chan be changed)
3 takes a little longer to install if useing 16th edition junction boxes
quickest way to do them is use a hager connector box (it's clear and has clamps can get them from city's) and use wago flex push connectors and a wago two cable push in for the earth

An other reason on I like them if you put the jcc led 7 and the ksr led10 side by side it speaks for it's self the jcc is one unit and it's heat sink is enclosed in a metal surround there for cooking all the electronics that run it also if ever Someone wanted to go from say white to chrome with the jcc I believe it's a full fitment swap (very pricy) where as with ksr it's just a face swap (relatively cheap)
I got a set of five for my mothers kitchen in cool white the lights are dimmable at £29 plus vat (non-dimmable £23ish plus vat) and the faces where £3.03 plus vat
And them five light the kitchen up quite well (should be at 700lumens a fitting) probably need two or three more for a better spread but work very well
and shall eventually put one in the hall three on the landing first floor and one on the landing second floor in time

hope this helps

bernie