NVQ 3 Electrical - Final Registration 31st December 2013

[XS Training]

We have received many enquiries about the final registration date for the NVQ 3 Electrical Installation and can confirm that the final registration date is 31st December 2013 with the final certification date being December 2016.

We are now offering people the opportunity to secure their places on this NVQ for a deposit of £150 before the final registration date of 31st December 2013. The deposit will be deducted from the final balance which can then be paid when you choose to start the NVQ at a time of your choosing in 2014. You will then have up until December 2016 to complete the NVQ.

Please note, that this is the EAL NVQ 3 Electrical Installation and it is identical to the City & Guilds 2356, same units, same method of assessment etc, basically the same qualification, different supermarket (awarding body). It is also recognised by the JIB as a requirement for obtaining your JIB gold card. Furthermore, you do not have to complete the AM2 with this NVQ, unlike the 2357 and EAL Diploma.

Anyone interested can contact us by completing the online application form.

Cheers

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

But at the end of the day as a employer someone gives me a a EAL cert and someone give me a C&G cert... EAL is going in the bin, we see them as tin pot qualifications.

 

[CTID]

Hardly tin pot when it's the same qualification, just a different provider. That's like saying you won't accept someone NAPIT registered as it's tin pot compared to NICEIC. Think you need to look at more than just the certificate provider when employing someone.

 

[Johnuk]

not being funny they will show you there jib card anyway lol

 

[XS Training]

But at the end of the day as a employer someone gives me a a EAL cert and someone give me a C&G cert... EAL is going in the bin, we see them as tin pot qualifications.

Interesting point Spinks and perhaps highlights the ignorance of many employers when they do not recognise that City & Guilds and EAL are awarding bodies who often work together to create qualifications. For example, the 2357 was created by both City & Guilds and EAL working in partnership, C & G call theirs the 2357 and EAL call theirs the 1605.

You can see here a list of new qualifications and the comparisons/equivalents for EAL and City & Guilds. The list is provided by the forum for Electrotechnical National Forum . Furthermore, NICEIC, JIB, ECA, IET, Summit Skills, etc etc ALL recognise EAL qualifications as the equivalent of City & Guilds, not better or inferior but equally as good.

Just to add that NICEIC actually work in partnership with EAL as well as City & Guilds as can be seen on their website. The JIB state that to be graded as an electrician you need the 2356 or approved equivalent such as EAL NVQ 3 Electrical Installation.

You could be doing yourself and your company an injustice by viewing EAL as tin pot and perhaps even losing out on employing a really good electrician. After all, it is the individual who is either a good or bad electrician and you will not be able to tell this by the awarding body who printed his certificate.

Interesting debate though, thanks for your thoughts on this.

 

[Guest 004]

If it's that good then why you advertising

 

[derek]

Why are you not offering the C&G 2356 anymore and changing to EAL? I was going to sign up with you but I think I'll have to rethink my plans now, I'm not interrested in EAL courses as they are associated too much with the Electrical Trainee brigade by potential employers.

 

[markc123]

Hardly tin pot when it's the same qualification, just a different provider. That's like saying you won't accept someone NAPIT registered as it's tin pot compared to NICEIC. Think you need to look at more than just the certificate provider when employing someone.

One is open book, one is closed book.

Any monkey who can read has a chance of passing the EAL qualification....all you have to do is copy out the book.

So, there not the same qualification. Far from it.

EAL is a disgrace.

 

[markc123]

Interesting point Spinks and perhaps highlights the ignorance of many employers when they do not recognise that City & Guilds and EAL are awarding bodies who often work together to create qualifications.

How is it ignorance?

Mr.A has C+G

Mr.B has EAL.

Forget references, we all know they can be fixed....How does Mr.Employer know that Mr.B isn't a complete monkey? After all he's passed an openbook exam. Anyone without any electrical knowledge has a chance to pass because the answers are infront of you if you look hard enough.

Mr.A employed every single day of the week.

 

[derek]

XS training, why does your advert and website still offer the C&G 2356 is that not miss-selling if you do not offer it anymore?

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Hardly tin pot when it's the same qualification, just a different provider. That's like saying you won't accept someone NAPIT registered as it's tin pot compared to NICEIC. Think you need to look at more than just the certificate provider when employing someone.

Never even heard of napit before I came on this forum .

 

[XS Training]

Why are you not offering the C&G 2356 anymore and changing to EAL? I was going to sign up with you but I think I'll have to rethink my plans now, I'm not interrested in EAL courses as they are associated too much with the Electrical Trainee brigade by potential employers.

We are still offering the City & Guilds 2356 and are also offering the EAL equivalent NVQ 3 Electrical. However, the 2356 are unnamed registrations as the final registration has already expired on 31/01/13. We have a limited number of places on the 2356 and the EAL NVQs final registration date is 31/12/13.

Basically, if you need the NVQ then you have a few options. City & Guilds 2356 unnamed registrations (because you cannot register any longer). Or EAL NVQ 3 Electrical, which as stated previously, is exactly the same as the 2356, same assessment method, same evidence required etc etc.

Other option is to go for the 2357 or EAL equivalent, however, with this option you have to also complete the AM2. The whole point of the post was to inform on the final registration date for the EAL NVQ 3 Electrical Installation. After this date the only option will be the 2357 etc or limited unnamed registrations on the 2356.

 

[XS Training]

One is open book, one is closed book.

Any monkey who can read has a chance of passing the EAL qualification....all you have to do is copy out the book.

Far from it, the EAL NVQ 3 Electrical Installation is exactly the same as the NVQ 2356 NVQ 3 Electrical Installation. Same units, same assessment method, same evidence/knowledge required and leads to the same JIB gold card.

simples

 

[northstar]

limited unnamed registrations on the 2356 ? what does that mean ?

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Far from it, the EAL NVQ 3 Electrical Installation is exactly the same as the NVQ 2356 NVQ 3 Electrical Installation. Same units, same assessment method, same evidence/knowledge required and leads to the same JIB gold card.

simples

what about the 2394 and 2395 equivelant. EAL is the stupid mans tests!

 

[Bick]

limited unnamed registrations on the 2356 ? what does that mean ?

I am wondering about this also.

 

[northstar]

anyone on eal who can give us anymore info please

 

[SirKit Breaker]

But at the end of the day as a employer someone gives me a a EAL cert and someone give me a C&G cert... EAL is going in the bin, we see them as tin pot qualifications.

CRAP, nothing tin pot about EAL quals, you have the same outlook as a pen pusher, and as an employer you need to wake up and get with it. Things change in the world of work, and there is no place for dinosaurs.

Cheers…………Howard

 

[Richard Burns]

limited unnamed registrations on the 2356 ? what does that mean ?

As far as I understand it.
Registrations for the 2356 have been submitted to secure the place on the course with C&G. These do not have people assigned to them at the moment.
If someone still wishes to start the 2356 (for which registration has ended) then they can take up one of these unnamed registrations.
However there are only a few of them.
A method of extending the closing date through a technicality since the completion date is three years hence.

 

[XS Training]

limited unnamed registrations on the 2356 ? what does that mean ?

As Richard has kindly pointed out, the unnamed registrations are places that have been reserved for the 2356 but have not yet been allocated to any student. These were offered to training providers a couple of years ago when the qualification was due to end. We are working in partnership with a training provider who has a limited amount of these licences and want us to deliver the NVQ for them.

Any person going down the City & Guilds unnamed registration route will not be registered on the NVQ 2356 until they have fully completed the NVQ at which time their certificate will be claimed. The reason being is that you the unnamed registrations cannot be claimed until the NVQ is complete and it is at this point you become registered on one of the unnamed registrations.

It has already been pointed out that there are a limited number of these unnamed registrations available and as such the price of the unnamed registrations is more than the EAL equivalent. We would advise choosing the EAL option as you will be obtaining the same qualification and demonstrating the same skills as you would with the City & Guilds NVQ 2356. Also, it all leads to the same objective as gaining your JIB gold card.

 

[XS Training]

what about the 2394 and 2395 equivelant. EAL is the stupid mans tests!

The City & Guilds 2394 and 2395 is a closed book assessment and the EAL equivalent are open book.

I suppose it could be argued that the EAL teaches those that are undertaking the course to refer to their OSG and Regs as a method of obtaining the correct information to answer the questions. The City & Guilds requires that students recall the information that they have been taught. The EAL does NOT simply give the answers as you have to be able to know where to look to get the information within the OSG and BS7671.

Both methods of assessment have their pros and cons, for example, one encourages a student to become familiar with the OSG and BS7671 so that they know where to look and the other requires that the student remembers the information that they have been taught. In the real world of work if you came across a problem you would want to know where to look to find a solution. However, it could equally be argued that you should be able to remember this information.

Whichever option you believe is best does not detract from the fact that you are either recalling information to pass an exam or searching for information to pass an exam. Either way, it does not detract from the value of these qualifications as in each case you have to be able to interpret the questions correctly and know where to find the information that will enable you to answer the question. Some people believe that the EAL open book is a book full of all the answers and that students simply copy the answers, this is not the case at all. Far from being a stupid mans test, perhaps the EAL approach encourages those to become familiar with BS7671 and use it as another tool in their toolbox.

 

[Guest 004]

Jeesh, I am just glad I have my approved ticket.

Got to feel sorry for these kids trying to get qualified. It's tough out there.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

The City & Guilds 2394 and 2395 is a closed book assessment and the EAL equivalent are open book.

I suppose it could be argued that the EAL teaches those that are undertaking the course to refer to their OSG and Regs as a method of obtaining the correct information to answer the questions. The City & Guilds requires that students recall the information that they have been taught. The EAL does NOT simply give the answers as you have to be able to know where to look to get the information within the OSG and BS7671.

Both methods of assessment have their pros and cons, for example, one encourages a student to become familiar with the OSG and BS7671 so that they know where to look and the other requires that the student remembers the information that they have been taught. In the real world of work if you came across a problem you would want to know where to look to find a solution. However, it could equally be argued that you should be able to remember this information.

Whichever option you believe is best does not detract from the fact that you are either recalling information to pass an exam or searching for information to pass an exam. Either way, it does not detract from the value of these qualifications as in each case you have to be able to interpret the questions correctly and know where to find the information that will enable you to answer the question. Some people believe that the EAL open book is a book full of all the answers and that students simply copy the answers, this is not the case at all. Far from being a stupid mans test, perhaps the EAL approach encourages those to become familiar with BS7671 and use it as another tool in their toolbox.

And there was me thinking my 2395 was based on GN3 :-/

 

[Tiny Spark]

The City & Guilds 2394 and 2395 is a closed book assessment and the EAL equivalent are open book.

I suppose it could be argued that the EAL teaches those that are undertaking the course to refer to their OSG and Regs as a method of obtaining the correct information to answer the questions. The City & Guilds requires that students recall the information that they have been taught. The EAL does NOT simply give the answers as you have to be able to know where to look to get the information within the OSG and BS7671.

Both methods of assessment have their pros and cons, for example, one encourages a student to become familiar with the OSG and BS7671 so that they know where to look and the other requires that the student remembers the information that they have been taught. In the real world of work if you came across a problem you would want to know where to look to find a solution. However, it could equally be argued that you should be able to remember this information.

Whichever option you believe is best does not detract from the fact that you are either recalling information to pass an exam or searching for information to pass an exam. Either way, it does not detract from the value of these qualifications as in each case you have to be able to interpret the questions correctly and know where to find the information that will enable you to answer the question. Some people believe that the EAL open book is a book full of all the answers and that students simply copy the answers, this is not the case at all. Far from being a stupid mans test, perhaps the EAL approach encourages those to become familiar with BS7671 and use it as another tool in their toolbox.

Ime a bit out of date with most of this stuff, Ide never heard of EAL equivalents until today and only recently found out about the 2394/5 exams a few months back.
When I did mine it was still the 2391.

But ime intrigued is the practical exam (for either 2394/5 not sure what is what as I say) open book as well or not?

When I did my 2391 you had to know your test routines like the back of your hand if you didnt you would fail simple as that.
Seems a bit pointless if you can test while reading how to do it out of the book?
And the written test well that was a doozy, I was lucky I passed it first time but I know many who have failed numerous times because it was damn hard!

Anyone who has there 2391 I have a great deal of respect for as so many people fail it, But ime not really sure how it compares to the new ones.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Ime a bit out of date with most of this stuff, Ide never heard of EAL equivalents until today and only recently found out about the 2394/5 exams a few months back.
When I did mine it was still the 2391.

But ime intrigued is the practical exam (for either 2394/5 not sure what is what as I say) open book as well or not?

When I did my 2391 you had to know your test routines like the back of your hand if you didnt you would fail simple as that.
Seems a bit pointless if you can test while reading how to do it out of the book?
And the written test well that was a doozy, I was lucky I passed it first time but I know many who have failed numerous times because it was damn hard!

Anyone who has there 2391 I have a great deal of respect for as so many people fail it, But ime not really sure how it compares to the new ones.

As far as I am aware with the 2394/5 you are not allowed yours books, not sure though as I did have them in the room but didn't use them.

 

[sparksflying]

As far as I am aware with the 2394/5 you are not allowed yours books, not sure though as I did have them in the room but didn't use them.

Yes, think you are right. The 2394 and 2395 is a closed book and the EAL versions are open book as you can use GN3.