Self Certification

[Tomhw100]

Evening Gentlemen I am currently an electrician working for a firm in Essex, i have done a full apprenticeship AM2 NVQ L3,Wiring regs (17th) and P.A.T testing. I served my whole apprenticeship working on new builds, extensions rewires etc and the firm I work for now keeps me going 5 days a week (at the moment) rewiring, upgrading and periodically inspecting and testing council properties mainly. I have been with this firm 2 years and in this time i have started to pick up a few private jobs along the way-i get these signed off by my brother in law who's NIC registered. My question is: is it worth me joining A registered body even though i may not do a lot of private work, whether it be NIC,Nappit or elecsa and sign these off my self or is there another alternative-is any one else in the same predicament? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated cheers Tom

 

[Pat Tester]

wow that must really annoy the tenants, I like to complete any inspection or testing in a single visit,
and it saves on fuel



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[Octopus]

The good news is that both you and your brother in law are breaking the law.

 

[markc123]

Not sure how you'll register with a scheme and at the same time keep it behind your bosses back. He finds out your doing privates you'll pretty much get sack on the spot.

You don't have to join a scam, you just gotta pay the price for notifications if you don't ... which pretty much means you won't make anything on any job. When you join a scheme you'll have to make sure you've got some sort of job to show them whether it's at home or not .... and even though they say you can arrange for the NIC inspector to visit he's never free on you're chosen day....guarantee he'll be 'in town' when your supposed to be at work.

 

[Plonker 3]

The good news is that both you and your brother in law are breaking the law.

Been happening for years, still yet to see anything happen to any company or individual that does it.

 

[MDJ]

Evening Gentlemen I am currently an electrician working for a firm in Essex, i have done a full apprenticeship AM2 NVQ L3,Wiring regs (17th) and P.A.T testing. I served my whole apprenticeship working on new builds, extensions rewires etc and the firm I work for now keeps me going 5 days a week (at the moment) rewiring, upgrading and periodically inspecting and testing council properties mainly. I have been with this firm 2 years and in this time i have started to pick up a few private jobs along the way-i get these signed off by my brother in law who's NIC registered. My question is: is it worth me joining A registered body even though i may not do a lot of private work, whether it be NIC,Nappit or elecsa and sign these off my self or is there another alternative-is any one else in the same predicament? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated cheers Tom

No we are professionals on here.

 

[R G]

If HMRC get you , you will be in for it , I have heard theres people out there posing as customers , and don't forget people Know other people , also if job is registered its also traceable anyway ,,,

 

[Brightspark2]

No we are professionals on here.

Dont know about that...


ha ha

 

[Tomhw100]

No we are professionals on here.

as usual asking for advice and people take the pee why are you a professional and im not-just because you are nic registered lol i tested jobs by 'apparent' NIC certificated electricians and found sockets with no earths rings in rings etc it means nothing. im a sub contractor but work for the firm full time so i can have days off when i choose to-as for the signing off he comes to my jobs and checks that they are satisfactory before he will agree to sign them to be fair i didn't actualy think this was breaking the law otherwise i would never of done it.

 

[Tomhw100]

Thanks for the reply

 

[MDJ]

as usual asking for advice and people take the pee why are you a professional and im not-just because you are nic registered lol i tested jobs by 'apparent' NIC certificated electricians and found sockets with no earths rings in rings etc it means nothing. im a sub contractor but work for the firm full time so i can have days off when i choose to-as for the signing off he comes to my jobs and checks that they are satisfactory before he will agree to sign them to be fair i didn't actualy think this was breaking the law otherwise i would never of done it.

who mentioned the NIC I didn't lol

 

[Octopus]

as usual asking for advice and people take the pee why are you a professional and im not-just because you are nic registered lol i tested jobs by 'apparent' NIC certificated electricians and found sockets with no earths rings in rings etc it means nothing. im a sub contractor but work for the firm full time so i can have days off when i choose to-as for the signing off he comes to my jobs and checks that they are satisfactory before he will agree to sign them to be fair i didn't actualy think this was breaking the law otherwise i would never of done it.

To be fair, may be you should call the NIC and ask them if what you brother in law is doing, is within the scope of his "membership" and see what they tell you.

 

[Tomhw100]

who mentioned the NIC I didn't lol

Excuse me I may have took that for granted then-I just cant see how you can say i'm not a 'Proffesional just because i work for a firm and do the odd private job-i thought 'real' electricians were meant to stick together im not a kitchen fitter,diyer or part p week course electrician you know!

 

[Badged01]

No we are professionals on here.

Speak for yourself!

 

[MDJ]

Excuse me I may have took that for granted then-I just cant see how you can say i'm not a 'Proffesional just because i work for a firm and do the odd private job-i thought 'real' electricians were meant to stick together im not a kitchen fitter,diyer or part p week course electrician you know!

Glad to hear it Tom.

 

[Tomhw100]

To be fair, may be you should call the NIC and ask them if what you brother in law is doing, is within the scope of his "membership" and see what they tell you.

blimey really rattled your cage hasn't it ive only asked for advice Murdoch- ive done it on 3 jobs and now considering going NIC why is that such a problem to you?how do people normally start out? im sorry i asked!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

To be fair, may be you should call the NIC and ask them if what you brother in law is doing, is within the scope of his "membership" and see what they tell you.

what they tell you is one thing....what they actually do about it is another...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

a bit like the `rings within rings`...and the `no continuity of CPC` stuff courtesy of some of their "competant" members that i also read in here.....dont do much about that either...do they

 

[Badged01]

..... im sorry i asked!

You're new around these parts ...... if you feel sensitive about responses then there is a DIY forum or trainees forum where replies will be more softer and considerate of your feelings!

 

[Tomhw100]

You're new around these parts ...... if you feel sensitive about responses then there is a DIY forum or trainees forum where replies will be more softer and considerate of your feelings!

lol ill bear that in mind badged01 thanks-i was only asking a question though.

 

[Octopus]

blimey really rattled your cage hasn't it ive only asked for advice Murdoch- ive done it on 3 jobs and now considering going NIC why is that such a problem to you?how do people normally start out? im sorry i asked!

By paying loads of dosh and booking an assessment with a scheme??

 

[GLENNSPARK]

lol ill bear that in mind badged01 thanks-i was only asking a question though.

well...you crack on as you are for me fella....

but i can assure you now that there will be many fee paying guys in here rite now that wont see it in the best light...

 

[Octopus]

What I never understood is why is Napit scrap their "just 8" scheme?? It would have been perfect for guys like this one.

 

[mickys86]

Same old problem with unknown members asking a question. Instead of getting helpful info everyone can't wait to chop the ops head off........

 

[Plonker 3]

Which bits of advice have been unhelpful?

 

[mickys86]

Which bits of advice have been unhelpful?

The bits where everyone wants to put the op down. I ain't getting into a debate. I can't be bothered and I'm off to play tennis

 

[Octopus]

The bits where everyone wants to put the op down. I ain't getting into a debate. I can't be bothered and I'm off to play tennis

So come on the smxrt xrse, read the OP and give YOUR reply.

 

[Plonker 3]

They havent put him down, must pointed out some facts. OP has explained some of his responses and people have gave responses accordingly.. Its a forum differences of opinions happen.

 

[ipf]

By paying loads of dosh and booking an assessment with a scheme??

At least he's thinking about that, M. More than many do. Think how many we hear about doing odd jobs without the the slightest intention of carrying out a test with cert.
With some of the underpricing going on by so called 'domestic installers', I think he may be a be one of those with a case for more optimism. Not condoning it, but...

 

[Meggerman]

Sounds absolutely fine what you are doing mate. I would defiantly carry on as you are as nothing will come of it. In fact it is exactly the same as the NICEIC QS system really but at least your brother in law actually looks at the job before signing it off!! There are god knows how many firms doing that everyday. If you are only doing a few jobs save your bucks and have a nice holiday with it!

 

[mickys86]

So come on the smxrt xrse, read the OP and give YOUR reply.

I'm not a smart arse, not really sure what gave you that idea. The fact that I didn't give an opinion meant I couldn't give an opinion because I didn't know what the benefits where. Like the op I work for a company and was interested to read the replies and IMHO only a few of them mattered.

 

[Octopus]

I'm not a smart arse, not really sure what gave you that idea. The fact that I didn't give an opinion meant I couldn't give an opinion because I didn't know what the benefits where. Like the op I work for a company and was interested to read the replies and IMHO only a few of them mattered.

what a cop out.

 

[mickys86]

Not really sure how it's a cop out ?

The question was this....

My question is: is it worth me joining A registered body even though i may not do a lot of private work, whether it be NIC,Nappit or elecsa and sign these off my self or is there another alternative-is any one else in the same predicament?

I do not know the exact cost of the fees involved to go with one of the governing bodies. I have no idea of how much PL insurance costs. I have no idea how much his local council charge to register his work. I could go on but don't think I need to.

Maybe I misunderstood the part that said 'my question is' if I did then I apologise?

If your asking if I have a problem with what he's doing then no. I don't. I'm not the electrical police nor do I work for the nic or whoever enforces the rules (never actually seen any rules be enforced)

 

[GMES]

Micky I think what upsets members like Murdoch and other members is that these guys pay their fee's and have to do everything by the book and have to try and do all this while still trying to stay competitive in a cut throat industry that is rapidly going down the pan. Then new members come on talking about doing private jobs ( cash in hand I presume ) while holding down a job ( guaranteed income ) it can take the pi$$ sometimes, just my take on things.

 

[Tomhw100]

Thanks for all the replies gents the helpful and the unhelpful-judging by some people responses my qualifications ,gold card and 11 years experience (inc apprenticeship) obviously aren't good enough for some of the self appointed experts on here-they must of been expert electricians from birth..lol

 

[mickys86]

Micky I think what upsets members like Murdoch and other members is that these guys pay their fee's and have to do everything by the book and have to try and do all this while still trying to stay competitive in a cut throat industry that is rapidly going down the pan. Then new members come on talking about doing private jobs ( cash in hand I presume ) while holding down a job ( guaranteed income ) it can take the pi$$ sometimes, just my take on things.

I fully understand that and that's very well put. Just a shame the thread had to go through what it did to get to it.

 

[Octopus]

Thanks for all the replies gents the helpful and the unhelpful-judging by some people responses my qualifications ,gold card and 11 years experience (inc apprenticeship) obviously aren't good enough for some of the self appointed experts on here-they must of been expert electricians from birth..lol

GMS got it spot on.

You are not complying the building regs, nor want to understand or comprehend what you should be doing. Its got absolutely NOTHING about being an electrical expert.

 

[Tomhw100]

Micky I think what upsets members like Murdoch and other members is that these guys pay their fee's and have to do everything by the book and have to try and do all this while still trying to stay competitive in a cut throat industry that is rapidly going down the pan. Then new members come on talking about doing private jobs ( cash in hand I presume ) while holding down a job ( guaranteed income ) it can take the pi$$ sometimes, just my take on things.

who ever said anything about cash in hand? not taking the mick at all if they want to work for themselves its their choice, just cant see how all these electricians joined an affiliated scheme straight away-they obviously didn't. you need to jobs to show to the NIC for goodness sake! what do they expect you to do pull one out your bum!

 

[Octopus]

who ever said anything about cash in hand? not taking the mick at all if they want to work for themselves its their choice, just cant see how all these electricians joined an affiliated scheme straight away-they obviously didn't. you need to jobs to show to the NIC for goodness sake! what do they expect you to do pull one out your bum!

Have you registered with HMRC as self employed for your "own jobs"?

 

[Tomhw100]

what are you talking about you ignorant fool, all my jobs comply with part P, how do i not understand or comprehend what i should be doing for someone who doesn't no me or my work at all i think you should keep your opnions to your self my friend