The ceiling rose challenge!

[Guest77]

My attempt:

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Took far longer than I would like to admit!

Very neat, my favorite so far, can't stand slotted screws though, phillips/pozzy everytime

 

[Silly Sausage]

My attempt:

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Took far longer than I would like to admit!

Nice!
First one done in-situ on the ceiling, not like all these on the bench efforts!!!

 

[Baker1988]

Nice!
First one done in-situ on the ceiling, not like all these on the bench efforts!!!

What you mean first on, mine was on a actual celing on a rewire haha

 

[Resu]

Not seeing much potential to reterminate a few of these or are we going on the assumption of (in theory!) a few inches of T&E pushed into the ceiling? I know I can't be one to judge when I haven't done one myself but we loop at switch and it's very rare I have a spare minute in the shed to try these days.

 

[Baker1988]

Not seeing much potential to reterminate a few of these or are we going on the assumption of (in theory!) a few inches of T&E pushed into the ceiling? I know I can't be one to judge when I haven't done one myself but we loop at switch and it's very rare I have a spare minute in the shed to try these days.

I think they are pushed into the ceiling that's how we are told to do them at college, i know mine are you could pull good few inches out of the ones i did

 

[Guest77]

There should always be some slack on cables in the ceiling, that last rose picture was a good job, there should be 6" to a foot of slack above the light in the void, so the rose can be tidy and there is still cable available for the future should it need to be reconnected.

 

[flex_m]

Thanks for the comments, it was really satisfying taking the time to do it as neat as possible. Now all I need to do is find someone who's willing to pay me to spend that long second fixing....

I've had to change a few fixings with bugger all slack in the cables, and vowed to never inflict the torment upon someone else!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Take any job that pays garbage money, just slow your work rate down in proportion to the £/hr!

 

[Paul.M]

......but we loop at switch and it's very rare I have a spare minute in the shed to try these days.

If your looping in at the switch and not at the rose in your work place, we will accept that. Don't want to exclude you Resu due to the nature of your of your bosses install. Take a photo of both the switch connections and the rose and then submit them.

 

[trev]

Thanks for the comments, it was really satisfying taking the time to do it as neat as possible. Now all I need to do is find someone who's willing to pay me to spend that long second fixing....

I've had to change a few fixings with bugger all slack in the cables, and vowed to never inflict the torment upon someone else!

The thing is mate you'll speed up as you get more experienced. Don't try to force speed or you'll end up all fingers and thumbs and it;ll take you twice as long as it would if you were calm and doing it at a sensible pace.
No one expects you to be massively quick at this stage in your training.

 

[Paulgibson]

Nice new light for the room.

 

[Resu]

If your looping in at the switch and not at the rose in your work place, we will accept that. Don't want to exclude you Resu due to the nature of your of your bosses install. Take a photo of both the switch connections and the rose and then submit them.

Will try but maybe not until week after next. First fixing a new building and EICR'ing next week!

 

[Paul.M]

Will try but maybe not until week after next. First fixing a new building and EICR'ing next week!

This comp will still be open in 2+ weeks time mate. Gives everyone a chance to do the task and get their photos in.

 

[Resu]

This comp will still be open in 2+ weeks time mate. Gives everyone a chance to do the task and get their photos in.

I'm not overly fussed about the competition tbh, wouldn't exactly be fair with mine being completely different. Just gives me a chance to show off lol

 

[ElectroChem]

I'd love to have a pic to submit, not for the competition (do your sponsors ship to Oz?) but just to join in. Unfortunately the last ceiling rose I saw was in TAFE (college) almost two years ago. Not much call for them as an industrial apprentice.

 

[Former Sponsor TM]

We do ship to Oz, but not for competition purposes I'm afraid!

 

[shanky887614]

this is the first ceiling rose ive done in over a year be nice lol

3 twins there, didnt have any brown sleeving so improvised

 

[trev]

Improvised? What with?

 

[shanky887614]

Improvised? What with?

what do you if you dont have any sleeving?

tape of course

 

[Simonslimline]

I am guessing Brown tape.

 

[trev]

It's acceptable mate, just. But the adhesive on it will dry out over time and it might come off. However, if you can't tell by looking at it which blue is really a switched live then you shouldn't be poking around in there

 

[shanky887614]

It's acceptable mate, just. But the adhesive on it will dry out over time and it might come off. However, if you can't tell by looking at it which blue is really a switched live then you shouldn't be poking around in there

the SW+F on the pvc is a huge giveaway to what the cable is as well lol

 

[Resu]

what do you if you dont have any sleeving?

tape of course

Or strip a larger diameter cable and use it's sheath

Speaking of which, is that an acceptable method (if stuck)? Not done it myself but have seen it!

 

[telectrix]

perfectly acceptable. it sleeved, innit? used a bvit of skin off 6mm or 10mm myself a time or 2.

 

[Paul.M]

It works, it dose the job and all within the regs. Saying that, always have a bit brown and blue sleeve in the bottom of your tool box or van. Tape is ok though.

 

[shanky887614]

It works, it dose the job and all within the regs. Saying that, always have a bit brown and blue sleeve in the bottom of your tool box or van. Tape is ok though.

I normally do but all my tape and sleeving except grey tape has gone walkies

I normally have 2 of each and a couple m coil of g+y, blue and brown

 

[Paul.M]

We have all been there Shanky, we have to improvise every now and again.

 

[dazza1981]

We have all been there Shanky, we have to improvise every now and again.

Improvising and making adjustments when things have gone wrong or not to plan is what makes a good tradesman !!!!!!

 

[shanky887614]

Improvising and making adjustments when things have gone wrong or not to plan is what makes a good tradesman !!!!!!

I have to do that a lot, ive lost count how much lid ive had to cut on th pi $$ because the monkey that originally cut the trunking cant use a bloody set square.

when people mess up its surprising how creative you have to become to solve the problem

 

[Paul.M]

Improvising and making adjustments when things have gone wrong or not to plan is what makes a good tradesman !!!!!!

Exactly, this is the bridge I/we are trying to build for the people in training. We could talk all day long about regs and part p etc etc etc, trying to get the "real world" teachings into the Trainees is another thing and some thing that I try to post up. We need more "real world" topics without taking the trainees away from their education to pass the exams, not easy is it when you think about it???


Anyway things are in the pipeline, more threads are going to be posted up and try to get a bit more activity in here along the above lines. Mentors, post up your threads, we all love them.

 

[shanky887614]

the other problem now a days is good mentors are few and far between.

best bloke I have ever worked with left the company because he had enough and worked for himself for a bit, now he is up and down the country after being headhunted by one of his old apprentices

 

[dazza1981]

Paul these lads are lucky to have guys like you and Trev helping them out...... there are not many that are willing to help people in this day and age!!!!
Good on ya !!!!

 

[trev]

Paul these lads are lucky to have guys like you and Trev helping them out...... there are not many that are willing to help people in this day and age!!!!
Good on ya !!!!

As a very wise man (Tony) said, you take your knowledge to the grave so while you're here give it freely (something like that anyway)
I've always liked having an apprentice, this place is like having a virtual few

 

[Paul.M]

Paul these lads are lucky to have guys like you and Trev helping them out...... there are not many that are willing to help people in this day and age!!!!
Good on ya !!!!

Trev and I have worked a couple of times together and every time the job gets done to a great standard. We also have a good laugh. Same frame of mind, help out the ones that need it. In here is just words, great to show people how to do the tricks of the trade face to face. Top bloke is Trev, I've got nothing but respect for him.

As a very wise man (Tony) said, you take your knowledge to the grave so while you're here give it freely (something like that anyway)
I've always liked having an apprentice, this place is like having a virtual few

Before the Trainee section was set up I have got a trainee through her exams and is now completing her final couple of exams to complete her dreams of becoming an Electrician. We are now working on the next stage of getting a business set up for her. It will take two years but it is worth it. Trev, passing on your skills is very worth while, Tony is 100% correct in what he says.

 

[Paul.M]

This has been posted up on another thread, what do the Trainee's think about it lol

 

[Baker1988]

This has been posted up on another thread, what do the Trainee's think about it lol

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The pic is way too small to see

 

[Richard Burns]

A larger version for your amusement
Can you spot any errors!mg_smile:

 

[ElectroChem]

A larger version for your amusement
Can you spot any errors!mg_smile:
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It will be a shorter list if we look for things done right...but I'll give it a shot.

Sheath not brought into fitting.
CPC joined to live conductors.
CPC not sleeved.
Black used as switched active without sleeve.
Flex not hooked over notches to take weight of lamp.
Extremely messy cables.
Looks like only two T+E coming in, so likely the last fitting on the circuit, otherwise I'd be listing discontinuous earth as well.

I'm desperately hoping this is a deliberate wind up and not the work of a 'tradesman'. I'm a first year apprentice, and if I put up a job like that my master would chase me down the main street putting the boot in each time he caught me.

 

[Richard Burns]

I think you have caught them, well done.
The cpc is not continuous and so the light switch would not have a cpc run to it, though this is all part of the cpc to live conductors problem.
(For UK I would use "switched line" and not "switched active" just as a nomenclature for exams thing)

This was a DIY attempt, oddly the light did not work!
I would normally hope that no one not even a DIY approach would do this, but there are many people who will try the strangest things.

 

[GMES]

The Above picture is not a wind up, but an attempt by someone who should not be allowed anywhere near Electric's.
Keep doing what you do and don't slack on your standards.