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No only a few every so often, seems that garage installs queries are off the radarUnusual thread that, don't get many garage supply queries.
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No only a few every so often, seems that garage installs queries are off the radarUnusual thread that, don't get many garage supply queries.
Unusual thread that, don't get many garage supply queries.
No only a few every so often, seems that garage installs queries are off the radar
Too cold to go outside wiring garages.No only a few every so often, seems that garage installs queries are off the radar
Don't Spoon, one of the scams will cotton on and start arranging courses. People will start calling themselves Garage Electricians.Right guys... I've just had a brain wave....
I'm going to start a course where you can become a GI..... No.. not a soldier... but a Garage Installer...
Don't Spoon, one of the scams will cotton on and start arranging courses. People will start calling themselves Garage Electricians.
no you're not.i know for a fact that your mam and da were married.and I'm illiterate......
Too cold to go outside wiring garages.
Appreciate any comments?
I didn't take any offence by any of the OP's posts... Text is a rubbish form of communication as you never know how to take then....
I'm just brill, so I took then all happy... Just imagined him skipping through fields with a flower in his mouth while texting away....
Get on with them?Ummphh, he was only asking. If he didn't what would we do with our lives
Unusual thread that, don't
Where's that sarcasm button gone?Unusual thread that, don't get many garage supply queries.
OP - you closed your thread with this line.
You've had plenty of comments back ......... so don't get arsy when you don't like them or YOU think they are off topic.
Appreciate any comments was a bit of an own goal IMHO
How about Garbage Electricians?But they will be Garage Electricians..... We love all electricians...
I see a reasonable solution here.
Mount a small consumer unit in the house over where the current 13A fused spur sits, feed it with the ring main.
Fit two MCBs, 6A and 20A. Use the existing 1.5mm SWA onto the 6A breaker for a lighting circuits and install another 2.5mm SWA for power. If you really wanted to go the whole hog you could install a 4mm SWA and 32A breaker for the sockets.
What part of the regs does this not meet? I'm always up for learning!Yup, that's how a diyer would do it, they don't understand the regs
You jest, don't you? feed a CU from the RFC, cloud cuckoo land for sure.I see a reasonable solution here.
Mount a small consumer unit in the house over where the current 13A fused spur sits, feed it with the ring main.
Fit two MCBs, 6A and 20A. Use the existing 1.5mm SWA onto the 6A breaker for a lighting circuits and install another 2.5mm SWA for power. If you really wanted to go the whole hog you could install a 4mm SWA and 32A breaker for the sockets.
Common bluudy sense Reg 1.1.1What part of the regs does this not meet? I'm always up for learning!
Show me where in BS7671 does my plan fall short? Like I said, I'm always up for learning.Common bluudy sense Reg 1.1.1
See Appendix 15 BS7671 regarding Ring Final Circuits, with specific reference to SPURSShow me where in BS7671 does my plan fall short? Like I said, I'm always up for learning.
That is a pretty random solution.I see a reasonable solution here.
Mount a small consumer unit in the house over where the current 13A fused spur sits, feed it with the ring main.
Fit two MCBs, 6A and 20A. Use the existing 1.5mm SWA onto the 6A breaker for a lighting circuits and install another 2.5mm SWA for power. If you really wanted to go the whole hog you could install a 4mm SWA and 32A breaker for the sockets.
Mate, depends how much you class as a majority.^^ I would say the majority of the suggestions were helpful , and regs compliant with good practice.
Just because they don't concur with what you hoped people would say doesn't mean they are unhelpful.
Asking questions like why and how many sockets do you need isn't helpful.
Stating the obvious like you will only have 13amp supply isn't helpful, all were stated in my original question.
I've come over as a ***** because
Sarcastic, not helpful. hence dislike.I don't want an ugly CU in my kitchen.
shop around. you should be able to find a pretty one.
Already mentioned and discounted due to work involved, not helpful.the ideal solution, as has been said before, is to spend some cash, do some digging, do it right. a decent sized SWA from CU, suitably protected, not on RCD (unless it's TT). then a sub-main ( RCD and 2 or 3 MCBs) then Bob's your gender neutral aunt.
I rest my caseYou are one?
I rest my case
Midwest, where you you at the start?Its a longer thread than it should be OP, grant you that. Reading your first post, that is a typical way of supplying a garage, albeit with a couple of slack things that could easily be rectified. So I think you'll be a hiding to nothing to suggest the original installer has done things incorrectly and should install new. I get the feeling, you had hoped we'd all agree that the builders of your property had installed the supply incorrectly, and you could gain some evidence for your cause to have an upgrade FOC?
As regards, your new additions, you can add as many sockets and lights as you want, the supply is limited by the 13amp fuse in your FCU in house, as been said countless times.
Unless you intend to run high load equipment in your garage, jig welders, hot tubs etc, I can't see it being a problem.
The 1.5mm swa cable has a ccc of 22A (Ref method D buried in ground/ducting), you could re supply that from the inside of your house, if limitation of 13A, is an issue for you? It seems you have been given various pieces of good advice, but not what you want to hear.
Why not get some quotations, and discuss with a competent electrician.
i thought you were an ARSENAL fan.See Appendix 15 BS7671 regarding Ring Final Circuits, with specific reference to SPURS
I suspected all along that the SWA should be earthed, which its not but I'm not familiar with earthing regs as they stand now. I just wanted confirmation that it was either compliant or not so I can get the builder to correct it.
I did find it odd that they don't provide DP isolation for supplies leaving the building so again wanted to know if compliant or not so I could get it corrected.
I fully understand fusing and discrimination so I thought dropping from a 13a to a 6 &10a was an upgrade giving discrimination at the garage CU.
I aint a fan of any soft Soccer clubs, Tel you should know that, us Southern Softies prefer a Man's game RUGBY FOOTBALL. Tin hat on already whilst typing, ready for the abuse I expect to get, from the fans of Poncy Association Football.i thought you were an ARSENAL fan.
Perhaps it's because many of the questions posted by DIY people are far to complicated and to dangerous to attempted by a DIYer.Midwest, where you you at the start?
An answer like this is all that I really wanted.
I was looking for the builder to give me anything in the way of an upgrade.
You may find this hard to believe but I am a sparks, started life as a Mining Electrician many moons ago. Got my qualifications through college for a ONC & HNC in mining electrical engineering.
Certainly qualifies me to be called an Electrician.
Always been in the industrial environment, never done any domestic work other than my own and never done any 13th edition up to 17th edition as never needed.
I suspected all along that the SWA should be earthed, which its not but I'm not familiar with earthing regs as they stand now. I just wanted confirmation that it was either compliant or not so I can get the builder to correct it.
I did find it odd that they don't provide DP isolation for supplies leaving the building so again wanted to know if compliant or not so I could get it corrected.
After that I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong by fitting a CU in the garage. I fully understand fusing and discrimination so I thought dropping from a 13a to a 6 &10a was an upgrade giving discrimination at the garage CU.
Unfortunately far to many people seem to want to come down on you with their "I know what I'm on about" attitude and treat you like a pleb.
Lets be fair its a DIY section, why have it if they are just going to say get a competent electrician to check it out every time?
DeletedPerhaps it's because many of the questions posted by DIY people are far to complicated and to dangerous to attempted by a DIYer.
Of course there will be certain minor jobs that we can help a DIYer with, but in all honesty, I personally wouldn't want to try and explain, how to attempt some electrical work that requires testing, notification, only to be hauled over the coals by some smart --- Legal Eagle how I told Mr so and so how to do such and such, after Mr DIY burnt his bloody house down, that's why I tell them to get someone qualified and experienced in to do the work.
I want to wire additional lights in 1.5.
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