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Are you really pondering a separate UPS for each circuit ?

There's no need for any grid disconnection, the UPS is line interactive, its inline to the supply - there is no chance of it feeding anything other than what it's output is connected to - you won't be back feeding to the national grid.

How often do you get power cuts ? - it must be once a day if you are seriously considering this project.

By the looks of things the design will not be an in line type as you would have on a PC rack or at a office desk.

He is looking more as an alternative source of supply and I would imagine that regulation 551.1.1(vi) could be used here and if so then he would need to comply with 551.6.1

All mute points as this is not an "average" concept. But I do see your point Sean and Spins
 
How often do you get power cuts ? - it must be once a day if you are seriously considering this project.

It sounds like ukspark is doing this cause he thinks its a good project rather than out of necessity.
As Malcolm has stated, he need to figure out how long he wants this to run.
 
like the link #4,
I know the guy is using at he says for power cuts ECT, but on a dual rate elec meter eco 7 or 10, charging up during the cheap rate & then discharging during the expensive time does look good don't know what the losses would be if any. but hell of a project
 
Thanks for the replies, I have had an even better idea... Ill let you know shortly, just going to eat dinner!

Seriously the new idea beats the old one and is a lot easier!
 
like the link #4,
I know the guy is using at he says for power cuts ECT, but on a dual rate elec meter eco 7 or 10, charging up during the cheap rate & then discharging during the expensive time does look good don't know what the losses would be if any. but hell of a project
could use solar panels on your roof to charge the batteries and a charger to top it up the last bit at night
 
right ok, here goes, well as you hopefully know, I fitted a Hager Invicta 3 board in my house... See photo below for circuits to show what I mean.

What I am going to do is put everything on L1 that I would like to have UPS power, so basically if i put all the light circuits on L1 and maybe the alarm too, then the incomer at the bottom, remove the link to L1, so the Grid only feeds on to L2 and L3, that means there will be nothing on L1 ok.

So, what I then propose is to have an MCB on L2 in the board feed a wall mount UPS supply of say 3000VA and the load side of the UPS connect to L1 in the bottom of the main switch.

So basically all the light circuits are still independent of each other in terms of earth faults etc, but L1 is ok fed via the same supply, but all the circuits will be via the UPS, so in the event of power failure all L1 circuits will remain running.

No need for contactors or relays etc, this is much better and simpler, and if i was to switch off the main switch, everything will be dead. I see this to be the easiest, safest and most compliant option as the circuits will all be running via the UPS as if they were plugged in the back of it essentially.

as for the earth and neutral and earth, this is where I am not 100% sure, I can take the line from the load side of the UPS and connect it to L1, the earth, I suppose just connect it back on to the earth bar, and the neutral, I can't see it doing any harm putting it back on to the neutral bar?

I don't know though, does that sound ok with the neutral?

Reason for doing this is... Ok we hardly every get a power cut, but I want to be the one house in the street that has all its lights inside and out on like a beacon when the rest of the estate is in darkness!

Its not going to cost a great deal of money for a UPS as thats all I need as have everything else.

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I would just need to move a couple of circuits around so that only lights were on L1.
 
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thats my problem, I don't know what it would do or how it would be have etc... Ill be honest, I have no idea.

On one hand im thinking, well the neutral is the same neutral I would think....(i think) and its just the line thats cut and fed maybe?

The other hand says I have no idea?

Im guessing here...
 
thats my problem, I don't know what it would do or how it would be have etc... Ill be honest, I have no idea.

On one hand im thinking, well the neutral is the same neutral I would think....(i think) and its just the line thats cut and fed maybe?

The other hand says I have no idea?

Im guessing here...

Guessing is no good, you need hard facts! Get researching or get a ups and test it.

Worst cases could be a constant circulating current through the ups or significant constant nuisance tripping of the rcbo's
 

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