Test and inspect

[Noton1205]

Hi all, my uncle is having an extension built so im doing the wiring for that and also re wiring the rest of the house. Can anyone issue me a cert for the building regs people. I live in east kent. Ta in advance.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

You will be lucky mate. If he is having an extension, then the notification is not required as he will have payed his full plans application fee, so all you need to do is issue the EIC etc.

For the rewire, you will need to notify LABC prior to doing job, pay the costs, and get on with it.

Cheers.......Howard

 

[Noton1205]

The rewire and extension will ben jount if that makes sense. So cant really split the tests up

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Do the job, issue EIC and hope building inspector accepts it. To be fair when i have done similar, a rewire or part rewire and new extension they have always accepted my certs, and i have not needed to notify for the rewire, however i was an Elecsa member, and my certs had their logo on, so whether or not it made a difference i have no idea. If i were you i would do the job, issue the certs and see what happens, if you have to notify them of the rewire and pay the fees seperately, then that is what you will have to do. My gut feeling says you will be OK.

Cheers...........Howard

 

[Noton1205]

Ive not got my part p. Im not a registerd installer so need to find a spark just to test and issue a cert

 

[trev]

You will struggle to find one mate.

 

[mogga]

no one worth their salt wil issue a cert for work best you could hope for is an EIC What you are asking is one of the NONOs signing off someone elses work
let me ask you Would YOU sign off work done by someone else?
if so WHY would you do it?

 

[Noton1205]

If someone asked me to just sign it off, obviously i wouldnt, what im asking is someone to do a test and inspect but they can also come and view my first fix. Its not a massive hous and it shouldnt take long. I do appreciate what you are saying though.

 

[trev]

Well, I wish you good luck in finding one. All I know is I wouldn't do it and I don 't think there's many on here that would

 

[Octopus]

Is your "Uncle" aware that you're not following the ideal path that could leave him and his extension in a "difficult" position?

Why are you doing the rewire if you're not part P??

 

[Noton1205]

Because im a competant electrician and it will be a dam sight cheaper for me to do it. If i cant get a local spark to sign it off i will just have to get the council to do it.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is your "Uncle" aware that you're not following the ideal path that could leave him and his extension in a "difficult" position?

Why are you doing the rewire if you're not part P??

But its all about competency ...isn`t it. You dont have to be part p....or anything else for that matter to rewire your house....it just means that the LABC have to be informed....which will most likely be a site visit by one of there inspectors on first fix and an approved contractor working on behalf of the LABC to inspect and test it upon the install being completed....at which time it will either pass or fail.....on whatever his findings and test results are.....but i agree its really a no-no to be asking here for someone to inspect and test your own work if you cant do it yourself...........

 

[robsparky1975]

Dispel the myths............The only reason qualified sparks sign up to a competent persons scheme(part pee)is because you can notify the scheme provider elecsa,nic etc and pay a fee(£1.50 or so) and they inform labc.you can call them and tell them what you plan to do,they will charge you a fee to look at your work/paperwork.There is no legal requirement for anyone to be signed up with a scheme,its costly(£430 a year + notify fees) but easier and more cost effective if you do lots of part p notifyable works.It is obviously a legal requirement to notify labc but you can do this yourself although costly.No one can sign your work off but yourself or labc at a big expense,can you not do the testing and use your own EICS.

 

[Engineer54]

It's basically about money, nothing to do with being competent in this case!! Why should a qualified electrician be put in this position when wanting to wire his own house if it's not about money!!!

 

[ezzzekiel]

Nail on head again
Was partp reg for about 5years and now im not so suddenly ive forgot everything i know and am no longer competent to certify my own work

 

[robsparky1975]

It's basically about money, nothing to do with being competent in this case!! Why should a qualified electrician be put in this position when wanting to wire his own house if it's not about money!!!

Too right

 

[tuckermot]

Hi eeezie

I gave up on part p reg last year in theory its a good idea but no customer knows or really cares about it i am just picking up minor and non notifiable work at mo but i am getting notifiables all the time so i just pass the work on less hassel for me not sure what ia am going to do going forward hopefuly they will just make it so qualified people can do part p and do away with this very poor pat p scheme

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Hi eeezie

I gave up on part p reg last year in theory its a good idea but no customer knows or really cares about it i am just picking up minor and non notifiable work at mo but i am getting notifiables all the time so i just pass the work on less hassel for me not sure what ia am going to do going forward hopefuly they will just make it so qualified people can do part p and do away with this very poor pat p scheme

Well they are wanting to ensure that those applying for part p meet new criteria....holding a recognised level 3 qual such as 2330 level 3. Now then, how much of this is about the poor standards of install by some 6 week wonders and how much is about cash we will see....i suspect its a bit of both and i also think that given the amount of counterfeit goods about now (in particular MCBs and RCDs).....then isn`t this also a good way of ensuring that those being allowed onto these schemes will have had it drilled into them at college that we should ALWAYS perform inspection and testing when installing as i suspect a lot of fast track "installers" arn`t doing properly at the mo`. This will pick up any counterfeit goods that dont comply before signoff..........

 

[wattsup]

Its all about dosh, nothing to do with skill or ability or competent...plain and simple jobs for the boys and protection money.

A spark can wire a school/swimming pool/changing room etc, but not his mothers shower?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Its all about dosh, nothing to do with skill or ability or competent...plain and simple jobs for the boys and protection money.

A spark can wire a school/swimming pool/changing room etc, but not his mothers shower?

The cash issue wont change as its an easy earner and lets face it......cash for doing nowt is one of the "grails" of the age were in...isn`t it........

 

[Octopus]

Because im a competant electrician and it will be a dam sight cheaper for me to do it. If i cant get a local spark to sign it off i will just have to get the council to do it.

Fair do's, your OP didn't suggest any competance. No doubt your Uncle will passs you some notes for dong the job. Yes you'll be cheaper than a spark but most of us have business overheads to cover and then pay tax and NI.

Unfortunately people think what we charge per hour, is what we earn, but very sadly that's our gross income before all the overheads of insurance, scheme membership, vehicle, vehicle running costs, tools, tax and NI!

 

[johnboy6083]

Fair do's, your OP didn't suggest any competance. No doubt your Uncle will passs you some notes for dong the job. Yes you'll be cheaper than a spark but most of us have business overheads to cover and then pay tax and NI.

Unfortunately people think what we charge per hour, is what we earn, but very sadly that's our gross income before all the overheads of insurance, scheme membership, vehicle, vehicle running costs, tools, tax and NI!

Having spoken to Neil on the blower yesterday about this job, its for a member of his family, whos suffering from cancer, and will need a carer. As such, some of this family members relatives are moving back from germany, and this extension is to house them. Ive suggested trying to get the council to let me test the job as an independant 3rd party for no re-numeration (i wouldnt charge anyway as the OP is my best mate), im gold card JIB, 2391 ect, and i would be there during 1st and second fix. I dont know if they would allow it, maybe they will because of the circumstances.

Ive wired a rebuilt property before with Neil, in the same area, and they refused to accept my cert when the building inspector came around to sign the whole building off. Another spark had to come in and do a PIR. I think this is madness, but what can i do about it?

 

[telectrix]

a JIB gold card is proof of competence, just as much, probably better than membership of all the scams added together. IMO, the LABC have no right to refuse your certification, and should be shot.

 

[Noton1205]

Spoke to LABC today, if i fill out a form and give them £190 they will arrange a sparks to check the first fix, then test and inspect.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Spoke to LABC today, if i fill out a form and give them £190 they will arrange a sparks to check the first fix, then test and inspect.

And i bet its a short form n all....well they wont want you having second thoughts about parting with 190 quid whilst jotting down will they...lol.........

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I am very happy to no longer be a part of this scam. I can now spend my £500 a year plus the cost of the new books I would have had to buy, on something nice like BEER.....:rockon2:

Cheers...........Howard

 

[Noton1205]

I asked if they wanted detailed drawings, but no all tey need is a ****ty form and money, what a con. Ive located the company who do their testing and contacting them tomorrow

 

[Engineer54]

Just who are these people at the LABC, that think they can totally ignore the qualifications, and experience of fully qualified electricians?? I can fully understand when Joe Public has notified and wants them to certify his installation, but that's not the same as a fully competent, fully qualified electrician ...is it!!!!


As a matter of interest, how much does it actually cost any of the scam providers to notify etc?? Because that should be the cost to a LABC registered electrician. Meaning one that has provided his certified electrical qualifications and other forms of qualification (JIB Gold card etc) to the LABC for verification of competency.

This really does need sorting out!! And how costs can be triple to quadruple from one LABC to another is just a pure nonsense, and smacks of a money making scam... You lot should really be getting to grips with all this crap, and put a stop to it. Your certified qualifications are just being totally ignored and undermined in the quest for money!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Just who are these people at the LABC, that think they can totally ignore the qualifications, and experience of fully qualified electricians?? I can fully understand when Joe Public has notified and wants them to certify his installation, but that's not the same as a fully competent, fully qualified electrician ...is it!!!!


As a matter of interest, how much does it actually cost any of the scam providers to notify etc?? Because that should be the cost to a LABC registered electrician. Meaning one that has provided his certified electrical qualifications and other forms of qualification (JIB Gold card etc) to the LABC for verification of competency.

This really does need sorting out!! And how costs can be triple to quadruple from one LABC to another is just a pure nonsense, and smacks of a money making scam... You lot should really be getting to grips with all this crap, and put a stop to it. Your certified qualifications are just being totally ignored and undermined in the quest for money!!!

Well eng i would say Quango`s ...or something like that as they seem secretive and not really answerable to anyone really as regards how they syphon cash out of the public...........

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Just who are these people at the LABC, that think they can totally ignore the qualifications, and experience of fully qualified electricians?? I can fully understand when Joe Public has notified and wants them to certify his installation, but that's not the same as a fully competent, fully qualified electrician ...is it!!!!


As a matter of interest, how much does it actually cost any of the scam providers to notify etc?? Because that should be the cost to a LABC registered electrician. Meaning one that has provided his certified electrical qualifications and other forms of qualification (JIB Gold card etc) to the LABC for verification of competency.

This really does need sorting out!! And how costs can be triple to quadruple from one LABC to another is just a pure nonsense, and smacks of a money making scam... You lot should really be getting to grips with all this crap, and put a stop to it. Your certified qualifications are just being totally ignored and undermined in the quest for money!!!

Well ....One of my lecturers (who lives in a south yorkshire town would just happen to pay just over a quarter i would have to pay for notifying my local LABC.....its just not consistant........

 

[johnboy6083]

i agree with what you all say. It is nonsence, but there no way that the government or the councils will listen, as it will be a complete climbdown from the legislation that they produced. Also, the Part P providers will be spending an awful lot of money lobbying the approriate department.

 

[Engineer54]

i agree with what you all say. It is nonsence, but there no way that the government or the councils will listen, as it will be a complete climbdown from the legislation that they produced. Also, the Part P providers will be spending an awful lot of money lobbying the approriate department.

How can it be a climb down?? The idea behind PP was competence, If an electrician can prove his competency where's the climb down?

Your right about the scam providers though, they won't want to lose there virtually free money pit in a hurry!! lol!! Yet another reason for a national register of qualified electricians, no need for any of the scam providers then, as each registered qualified electrician will carry a verifiable ID card and number....

 

[Noton1205]

Defo should bring out the same system asthe gas safe register.

 

[Engineer54]

Does anyone know how much these scam providers have to pay these LABCs for Part Pee notifications??

 

[Noton1205]

I was told £190

 

[Engineer54]

I was told £190

I doubt that very much, if there only charging the member electricians a couple of quid (or something like that!!)

 

[Noton1205]

Spoke to them today, i thought it was abit cheap to, they said the tester would come and look at the first fix, then come back once second fix is complete

 

[Engineer54]

No no, .... I'm asking how much, if anything do these scam providers pay these LABC's when the scam members notify them of a notifiable job... Not for an Electrician, or Joe Public notifying and certifying with the LABC...

 

[ezzzekiel]

Dont think they pay anything just charge us a handling fee

Although it aint happened as yet im prepared to break rules and produce jib approved card and ask how i cant be deemed competent just for refusing to pay fees to get a qualified spark to check a qualified sparks work

 

[Engineer54]

Dont think they pay anything just charge us a handling fee

Although it aint happened as yet im prepared to break rules and produce jib approved card and ask how i cant be deemed competent just for refusing to pay fees to get a qualified spark to check a qualified sparks work

Quite right, if these scam providers pay nothing, then nor should a LABC previously registered fully competent and fully qualified electrician. These S/Providers members are absolutely no guarantee of being competent... full stop!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Quite right, if these scam providers pay nothing, then nor should a LABC previously registered fully competent and fully qualified electrician. These S/Providers members are absolutely no guarantee of being competent... full stop!!!

Well to contradict an earlier post of mine....i have to agree.....i mean...how can somebody who`s "attended" a series of short courses the sum total of which amounts to about 6 weeks or so.....really be considered competent?...Now i am sure there are some out there who have followed this route and who are installing to a perfectly good standard but they are probably few and far between methinks......a lot of the crap we witness on a daily basis is testament to this....some of the stuff my boss and i come across.....well i wouldn`t put my name to it...thats for sure............

 

[Noton1205]

Had the local coucil sparky out after i swallowed my pride and payed the £190. He was there 10 mins and said first fix is fine. He said " make sureyou do your own test and inspect before we come so we can compare results".another words hes just going to copy my cert. what a scam.

 

[Noton1205]

finally got the labc to sign it off. he checked my cert and said " theres a mistake, the main fuse rating is 100A but you've put on your cert 80A" i said " what makes you say its 100A" he said "its written on the side of the fuse carrier" i then called him a bellend and had to eexplain that the sticker on the cut out indicates what the cut out is rated too and not what size fuse is inside. What a bellend.