Customer won't pay to correct dangerous wiring

[imago]

as the old addage goes you can lead a horse to water ......................................

......... but you can't make it brush it's teeth.

 

[oldtimer]

Yep thats what makes us British we skimp on the electrics but we will strip down to our underpants and crawl out on thin ice to try and save a stupid dog that 99% of the time would find its way to shore (just as the owner is drowning) plus we will pay £1500 a pop on a visit to the Vet.

Priorities thats what makes us British

 

[telectrix]

if it was my dog, i'd do the same.

 

[overskilled]

Now I know what TNS stands for.....
(Total Nanny State)

I wholly disagree, Protecting other occupants who have no other way to protect themselves (i.e. kids, the severely disabled etc) from the primary occupier's criminal stupidity is something that needs to be sorted out. Instead seemingly some would rather the problem stay ignored, either electrics is a professional trade and takes on the responsibility of having the power cut off when things are not safe.
The solution to cowboys cutting power off could be as simple as an intermediary, disagree with the power being shut off, someone sent out, if they agree the fault is serious enough to warrant the shut off, it stays shut off, customer (potentially) gets a bill for the inspection, if its a cowboy seeking work, then power goes back on and they get stick / prosecuted.
I think taking it through insurance is the best solution (inspection every 5 to 10 years (unless wiring aged and in need of modernisation / alterations planned), central database of when the last check was done and any notes made about the installation with digital photos of areas needing attention (if we really want to be watertight)
People wouldn't have it, some cry.....all it takes is a few kids to die in a housefire due to bad electrics and the "think of children brigade" will be looking for a target to blame and if they realise that the gas guys would have shut off the gas, then they will wonder why the spark didn't shut off the power if it was that bad. Alongside the usual sue first think later mentality, using the cover of "ordinary person" who isn't legally expected to know the dangers of electricity, compared with instructed and competent persons, who are expected to understand the dangers and act accordingly.
tbh I see this turning into a right royal mess and bad law unless something is done pre-emptively to try and push for semi-sane law

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I wholly disagree, Protecting other occupants who have no other way to protect themselves (i.e. kids, the severely disabled etc) from the primary occupier's criminal stupidity is something that needs to be sorted out. Instead seemingly some would rather the problem stay ignored, either electrics is a professional trade and takes on the responsibility of having the power cut off when things are not safe.
The solution to cowboys cutting power off could be as simple as an intermediary, disagree with the power being shut off, someone sent out, if they agree the fault is serious enough to warrant the shut off, it stays shut off, customer (potentially) gets a bill for the inspection, if its a cowboy seeking work, then power goes back on and they get stick / prosecuted.
I think taking it through insurance is the best solution (inspection every 5 to 10 years (unless wiring aged and in need of modernisation / alterations planned), central database of when the last check was done and any notes made about the installation with digital photos of areas needing attention (if we really want to be watertight)
People wouldn't have it, some cry.....all it takes is a few kids to die in a housefire due to bad electrics and the "think of children brigade" will be looking for a target to blame and if they realise that the gas guys would have shut off the gas, then they will wonder why the spark didn't shut off the power if it was that bad. Alongside the usual sue first think later mentality, using the cover of "ordinary person" who isn't legally expected to know the dangers of electricity, compared with instructed and competent persons, who are expected to understand the dangers and act accordingly.
tbh I see this turning into a right royal mess and bad law unless something is done pre-emptively to try and push for semi-sane law

I know where you are coming from but I disagree....this sort of thing IS the nanny state. There's more than enough of that already.......I can see now armies of arrogant jobsworth little hitlers going round cutting off peoples supply because their install doesnt fit one of the tick boxes on their sheet.....God help us.

 

[Astro800]

The problem with that is unless we have been using a tradesman/woman for a long time we do not trust them. There are too many programs on TV telling us that there are cowboys everywhere. Also the system would be abused by people disconnecting the electricity for "mayor faults" which are not, just to get more money out of the customer... we all know it would happen.
The few always spoil things for the many!!!

What I had in mind was a form dropped into the electricity authority so that they would do the disconnecting. This would stop any abuse of the system. They would also have the right of entry, as does the gas board (or whatever they call themselves this week)

 

[Astro800]

Now I know what TNS stands for.....
(Total Nanny State)

What does TN-C-S stand for then? Total Nanny....er...Never mind

 

[oldtimer]

What I had in mind was a form dropped into the electricity authority so that they would do the disconnecting. This would stop any abuse of the system. They would also have the right of entry, as does the gas board (or whatever they call themselves this week)

Sorry but this is a complete nonsense the utility companies already have a statutory right of access to your property to check their equipment ie diddling the meter and also we are not the secret police we cannot go about informing on anybody because we have an ego that elevates us to demigod level.

So here is the deal under contract law you are only obliged to give the tenant a quotation and any work done is covered under your PL insurance if you wish to deal out advise then you better have PI insurance to back you up dont get me wrong we can sit here and discuss this until we get to 10 pages but nothing is going to change any time soon ie the current economical environment will not allow any more regulation good God the scheme providors can barely cope with counting their cash and trying to sort out the EICR debacle let alone introduce an "ElectroSafe" system we are already a joke in the industry without this nonsense its not that I do not care but I or you cannot be the safety man for all electrical installations remember we did not get RCDs because we wanted to improve safety we got them because some poor MPs daughter died in an accident at home.

 

[telectrix]

we did not get RCDs because we wanted to improve safety we got them because some poor MPs daughter died in an accident at home.

thought that was why we got part pee. god help us all if another MP's relative dies .

 

[Astro800]

Sorry but this is a complete nonsense the utility companies already have a statutory right of access to your property to check their equipment ie diddling the meter and also we are not the secret police we cannot go about informing on anybody because we have an ego that elevates us to demigod level.

So here is the deal under contract law you are only obliged to give the tenant a quotation and any work done is covered under your PL insurance if you wish to deal out advise then you better have PI insurance to back you up dont get me wrong we can sit here and discuss this until we get to 10 pages but nothing is going to change any time soon ie the current economical environment will not allow any more regulation good God the scheme providors can barely cope with counting their cash and trying to sort out the EICR debacle let alone introduce an "ElectroSafe" system we are already a joke in the industry without this nonsense its not that I do not care but I or you cannot be the safety man for all electrical installations remember we did not get RCDs because we wanted to improve safety we got them because some poor MPs daughter died in an accident at home.

I agree with everything you're saying, but I don't see anything wrong with my suggestion. If the electrician is wrong about it, he pays. That would stop abuse. Debating it will change things? Never! What's wrong with a good moan!