Green deal info

[sedgy34]

Installer - Department of Energy and Climate Change

At last!!! some proper info on the green deal

 

[SRE]

Is this going to be on top of REAL & MCS? Surely they can't be inventing even more paperwork?????

 

[Somecamel]

It says if you already have MCS your exempt from having to have the standard? So all MCS companies can be Green deal installers?

 

[TedM]

You'll only be able to operate as a Green Deal Installer for the same tech that you are MCS certified for. You won't suddenly be able to install loft insulation if you are a PV or heat pump installer.

 

[sedgy34]

This is we're you need to get a few firms together to offer the services

 

[WRDEnergy]

I am right in saying this is a good thing ? I was under the impression that Solar PV wasnt going to be part of the Greendeal this says that it is.... we all know that over 25years you will make your money back from the cost of installation... will we still have the feed in tariff for customers who want to pay outright ? the green deal to me seems to be a much better rent a roof option to the custmer as i guess once they have paid back the cost of installation they own the system.

Please let me know if i have picked up the wrong end of the stick.

 

[TedM]

PV has been an approved technology under the Green Deal for a while. But how the Golden Rule applies to it or how FiTs payments might be affected has not been explained.

 

[WRDEnergy]

Thanks Ted are you of the opinion that its going to be a good thing for PV ?

 

[finewine]

Hi Guys,

Do you know how this will affect my industry? I am a Hetas engineer and run a Wood burning stove shop. As I read it, only biomass boiler systems will be covered which at present we do not get involved in. Ofcourse we may need to diversify our business model to incorporate other products which are covered by the Green deal. Also, having read a guide on the Green Deal I am still unsure as to how we as a business will get paid for the work? We could only finance such work for a couple of months at most before being paid.

 

[SRE]

PV has been an approved technology under the Green Deal for a while. But how the Golden Rule applies to it or how FiTs payments might be affected has not been explained.

There was a Q & A session with DECC Green Deal team in December which clearly said that if pv made up part of the green deal package then you wouldn't qualify to get feed in tariff, but there's been no clarification since then and given how frequently they change their mind and how the prices for pv have changed in the last 6 months it could be a whole different ball game by the time Green Deal is introduced.

If grid parity is achieved in the next couple of years and Green Deal ever does get off the ground in a sensible way then pv could be a key player and the door could be openend to loads more customers, but it's a long time to wait and who knows what will happen.

As Ted says we're 5 months from launch with no clarity about anything related to Green Deal, but with the Fits fiasco should we be surprised!!

Ed Davey is on the Politics Show today at 12 if you can bear to watch it!

 

[Gavin A]

PV has been an approved technology under the Green Deal for a while. But how the Golden Rule applies to it or how FiTs payments might be affected has not been explained.

I'm under the impression that it had to pay for itself under the golden rule excluding FIT payments - ie from on site savings alone, BUT that it may be acceptable to work it into a package of measures that combine to meet the golden rule OR the customer can top the green deal money up proportionally so that the bit that could meet the green deal golden rule was funded through green deal.

I can't see it doing much for PV other than maybe supplying the finance for energy saving measures needed to bring a house up to band D to qualify for the higher FIT rates tbh.

 

[Gavin A]

There was a Q & A session with DECC Green Deal team in December which clearly said that if pv made up part of the green deal package then you wouldn't qualify to get feed in tariff, but there's been no clarification since then and given how frequently they change their mind and how the prices for pv have changed in the last 6 months it could be a whole different ball game by the time Green Deal is introduced.

If grid parity is achieved in the next couple of years and Green Deal ever does get off the ground in a sensible way then pv could be a key player and the door could be openend to loads more customers, but it's a long time to wait and who knows what will happen.

As Ted says we're 5 months from launch with no clarity about anything related to Green Deal, but with the Fits fiasco should we be surprised!!

Ed Davey is on the Politics Show today at 12 if you can bear to watch it!

I don't see why. Green deal is a commercial loan made at commercial rates, it's got precisely zero public funded / state aid element to it, so I'd think decc were talking out of their backsides as per usual.

 

[TedM]

That's not quite right. DECC have said they would add £200 million to the pot to kick start GD by making deals sweeter (subsidised finance % maybe) for early adopters.

There is also the £1.3 billion a year for ECO that will be funded via energy bills.

 

[Gavin A]

That's not quite right. DECC have said they would add £200 million to the pot to kick start GD by making deals sweeter (subsidised finance % maybe) for early adopters.

There is also the £1.3 billion a year for ECO that will be funded via energy bills.

the loan's still being made at commercial rates, so shouldn't class as state aid.

I'd think that £200million will be mostly swallowed up in start up costs anyway, and precious little will ever find it's way to the consumer.

Obviously if it were ECO funded then that would be different, but I don't see ECO ever funding PV, though it may well end up funding associated improvements to get a house to band D.

 

[TedM]

Existing schemes (CERT/CESP) are allowed to fund PV - not that I've ever actually heard of one happening.

I think all the admin costs of Green Deal (and they will be significant) are separately funded by DECC/taxpayer. DECC have had a tender out for the running of the scheme, and the winner is due to be announced next month.

 

[sedgy34]

I bet BG will get it

 

[TedM]

BG will be a GD Provider so they would have trouble being the Administrator as well.

More likely Gemserv, I think.

 

[Gavin A]

More likely Gemserv, I think.

please let this not be true.

obviously it will be what happens.

 

[SRE]

Could be worse it could be REAL!

 

[Gavin A]

I think this sort of level of incompetence must be a London thing. I reckon it's maybe because it's all just a jobs merry go round between all the organisations, so nobody would want to rock the boat in case they end up needing work from one of the others at a later point.

eta plus they know they'll end up at some official function, or meeting with the person / organisation they'd cut the work from and that'd be a bit socially awkward.