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[telectrix]

Hello, fellow sparkies. I’m a fully qualified electrician having done a 5 week course , got my Part P and everything. Got my NICEIC domestic installer inspection in 2 weeks. Going to rewire my parents house for the inspector to see. It’s a prefab, all concrete, built about 1950 and is wired in that awful round copper covered cable that fits into the boxes with brass nuts. It’s all 2 core cable, so there’s no earth. I’m going to do it all in stickyback plastic trunking, should only take me about a week. The niceic want a small job as well, so I plan to fit a circuit for washing machine and tumble dryer in the only place in my small flat where they will fit. The bathroom. As the floor is tiled, I can’t get to the socket cables, so I plan to come from the bathroom light in the attic, down the corner of the bathroom in trunking, under the bath, and fit a double socket under the bath where the taps are. I’ve looked up in the regulations, and that’s OK because you need a screwdriver to get the panel off. Also it makes the plumbing easy, straight from the tap pipes. And, because there’s no earth on the lighting, I can fix a wire from the earth of the socket to the cold water pipe. One thing I could not understand from the course is why I need to use thick cable on showers and cookers. Is it something to do with the bigger cable allowing the amps to flow faster, like bigger water pipes allow faster water flowing?

 

[monkeyelectric]

Hello, fellow sparkies. I’m a fully qualified electrician having done a 5 week course , got my Part P and everything. Got my NICEIC domestic installer inspection in 2 weeks. Going to rewire my parents house for the inspector to see. It’s a prefab, all concrete, built about 1950 and is wired in that awful round copper covered cable that fits into the boxes with brass nuts. It’s all 2 core cable, so there’s no earth. I’m going to do it all in stickyback plastic trunking, should only take me about a week. The niceic want a small job as well, so I plan to fit a circuit for washing machine and tumble dryer in the only place in my small flat where they will fit. The bathroom. As the floor is tiled, I can’t get to the socket cables, so I plan to come from the bathroom light in the attic, down the corner of the bathroom in trunking, under the bath, and fit a double socket under the bath where the taps are. I’ve looked up in the regulations, and that’s OK because you need a screwdriver to get the panel off. Also it makes the plumbing easy, straight from the tap pipes. And, because there’s no earth on the lighting, I can fix a wire from the earth of the socket to the cold water pipe. One thing I could not understand from the course is why I need to use thick cable on showers and cookers. Is it something to do with the bigger cable allowing the amps to flow faster, like bigger water pipes allow faster water flowing?

There's too many questions, i think you need to get an electrician in before you kill yourself or somebody else
And yes a shower needs at least a 25mm cable, don't worry about doing any calculations a 25mm on a 32A will be fine for anything up to 11,000,000kW

 

[zedess]

thats exactly rite mate..the bigger the cable the faster they flow...just like water.....ever thought about been a plumber as well?...only take a week

 

[telectrix]

There's too many questions, i think you need to get an electrician in before you kill yourself or somebody else
And yes a shower needs at least a 25mm cable, don't worry about doing any calculations a 25mm on a 32A will be fine for anything up to 11,000,000kW

25mm. OK. should i use armoured? we didn't do thet on the course.

 

[Stroppy]

Wouldn't waste money on the sticky trunking. Just run the cable under the carpets round the edge of the rooms, then for the lights go up in the corner where it can be painted or papered over. Good plan on getting rid of that stupid metal cabling - being only 2 core and no earth AND well over 25 years old it is lethal, and I bet if you cut it open you'll find the plastic insulation has degraded and turned to powder. Worst cabling system ever.

Also don't bother getting your lights earth from a socket as (1) lights are out of reach so don't really need earthing, and (2) if you really want one then wind the cable round your water pipe, as that is earthed anyway.

 

[monkeyelectric]

25mm. OK. should i use armoured? we didn't do thet on the course.

No just singles, cable tie them to a water pipe and use the pipe as you cpc like you say, i'm suprised they didn't cover this on the course? 5 weeks is a long time, what did you all do, just sit around scratching your arse?

 

[SirKit Breaker]

i wouldnt use stickyback plastic trunking, do it properly and use the stuff you can screw to the wall so it doesnt come off. A good tip for the washer and drier, if space is tight stand the drier on top of the washer, and dont bother with a double socket, use a single with an adaptor, this way when the cable gets warm it will keep your bathroom temperature comfortable. Let us know how you get on and good luck.

 

[telectrix]

no time for arse scratching. the course was very intense. loads to learn. we even lernt about 3 phase. that's where you have 2 spare ones so if one goes down, you can use one of the others. clever, eh?

 

[monkeyelectric]

no time for arse scratching. the course was very intense. loads to learn. we even lernt about 3 phase. that's where you have 2 spare ones so if one goes down, you can use one of the others. clever, eh?

Yeah you should just wrap those in tape or if you want to impress put them in a choc block, did they teach bonding everything? Plastic water pipes, plasterboard screws, door hinges, window frames etc, bonding is vital!

 

[telectrix]

what is bonding? is it like bondage? done a bit of that, but not on the course.

 

[Stroppy]

No need for bonding now we have RCD's protecting everything. How many times?!

 

[monkeyelectric]

No need for bonding now we have RCD's protecting everything. How many times?!

Yes but if you have a fault and it keeps tripping the rcd then you must replace it with a standard main switch, thats where the bonding comes in, god how many times!

 

[telectrix]

can't i just put the wires straight into the meter, save all this nuisance tripping?

 

[monkeyelectric]

what is bonding? is it like bondage? done a bit of that, but not on the course.

Yes thats it but its just done with copper wire, any size you have will do, 10 mm is quite expensive so 1.5mm will do the same job

 

[Stroppy]

Oh right, I must have been missing when the did that on my 5 week course when I had 2 weeks having it large in Ibiza.

 

[stuartcourt]

Whattttt ?

 

[Stroppy]

Ahmppppp!

 

[telectrix]

but won't thact cut into her wrists. pink handcuffs are better. and stop going off topic. i need to learn electrics so i can go out and earn my £50K/annum, like the course told me.

 

[monkeyelectric]

can't i just put the wires straight into the meter, save all this nuisance tripping?

You can but you'll have to get the dno to do that for you as its illegal for us to touch the meter or fuse and you'll be imprisoned for at least 30 years

 

[stuartcourt]

sorry about my previous whattttt just read up in my regs that if you have a fault disregard everything the book says and do whatever it takes to get it working (small print people)

 

[stuartcourt]

And dont pull it yourself dno job i think a thread on this would be good for all and I heard it was life

 

[telectrix]

You can but you'll have to get the dno to do that for you as its illegal for us to touch the meter or fuse and you'll be imprisoned for at least 30 years

great. free food, sky tv, pool, darts, heroin, can't wait. where's my meter?

 

[monkeyelectric]

And dont pull it yourself dno job i think a thread on this would be good for all and I heard it was life

You get less time if you kill someone than if you so much as sneeze near the meter or fuse

 

[telectrix]

better not be snorting coke when i do it then.

 

[monkeyelectric]

great. free food, sky tv, pool, darts, heroin, can't wait. where's my meter?

Should be out in the street under lock and key as its so imperative that you shouldn't touch it that nobody really knows where it is, surely if you weren't allowed to touch it they wouldn't leave it in plain site, would they?

 

[chopper76]

Tele, I've seen your reply posts on here before your clearly a qualified sparkie that knows his stuff - stop with the Sunday wind ups, you had too much coffee?

 

[monkeyelectric]

Tele, I've seen your reply posts on here before your clearly a qualified sparkie that knows his stuff - stop with the Sunday wind ups, you had too much coffee?

Thats exactly what he wants us to think!
Perhaps he's lieing about the 5 weeks and only really done the 7 days

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Just a thought, if you want to power some lights in the garden use red cable, if you cut a little groove in the grass and tuck it in no one will see it, but if they do the red will really show up well.






(just in case , *** THIS IS A WIND UP ***)

 

[RmBo_0]

Don't forget to do some testing after, if its a TTNS system to get your Ra you have to put the green one in your mouth and blue one in your right hand and the red one in your left hand.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Don't forget to do some testing after, if its a TTNS system to get your Ra you have to put the green one in your mouth and blue one in your right hand and the red one in your left hand.

Isn't important to chant "tony cable" too, i think you need to read up on the regs:grinningelf:

 

[telectrix]

Don't forget to do some testing after, if its a TTNS system to get your Ra you have to put the green one in your mouth and blue one in your right hand and the red one in your left hand.

yeah.we done that on the course. set the megger to 1000 then press the ---.

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got you going at first though, monkey. LOL.

 

[chopper76]

Where do I put the crocodile clip?

 

[telectrix]

on your balls

 

[monkeyelectric]

Just a thought, if you want to power some lights in the garden use red cable, if you cut a little groove in the grass and tuck it in no one will see it, but if they do the red will really show up well.






(just in case , *** THIS IS A WIND UP ***)

Thats why i run it on the surface in a flower bed but i have someone spray it brown first so it blends in with the soil and doesn't look an eyesore

 

[RmBo_0]

Isn't important to chant "tony cable" too, i think you need to read up on the regs:grinningelf:

I'm gonna do my regs when the 20th edition comes out so I can save up for a book

 

[stuartcourt]

who is this reg you keep going on about, hope this is not a cult and reginald is your leader only just got away from the mormons

 

[monkeyelectric]

who is this reg you keep going on about, hope this is not a cult and reginald is your leader only just got away from the mormons

Reg the veg, he's a green grocer

 

[Knobhead]

Isn't important to chant "tony cable" too, i think you need to read up on the regs:grinningelf:

I'm changing my name.

 

[Robotstar5]

25mm. OK. should i use armoured? we didn't do thet on the course.

Armoured's easy as long as you earth the metal bit under the outer plastic bit, just use a Jubilee clip (from somewhere like Halfrauds) to clamp the earth wire to it, the clip also stops the cable pulling out of the CU.

 

[telectrix]

i thought you cut them all off except 1 and then put that in a choc block.