Please HELP!!!

[KWHElectrical]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

 

[Octopus]

Point 1: There is no such thing as 3rd party sign off.
Point 2: The NICEIC don't make the rules.
Point 3: For the fuseboard change LABC notification IS required. That could be £250.00
Point 4: Do you think you are competent
Point 5: Do you have PL ins?

 

[KWHElectrical]

3rd party sign off? what do you mean by that?

I know the NICEIC doesnt make the rules, but that is what the insurance specified.

how do i get a LABC notification? sorry for sounding so stupid, but like i said, just starting.

and just to clarify, BECAUSE i have my PART P, am i legaly alowed to sign off my own works?

thanks, karl

 

[Pete999]

Kin ell

 

[MDJ]

gasp!!!!!!

 

[KWHElectrical]

Im defo Compitant, for this job. its just the :

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

bit that im unsure about? why 60A not 100A? or even 80A?


forgot to mention, bit dyslexic also :/

 

[Octopus]

3rd party sign off? what do you mean by that?

I know the NICEIC doesnt make the rules, but that is what the insurance specified.

how do i get a LABC notification? sorry for sounding so stupid, but like i said, just starting.

and just to clarify, BECAUSE i have my PART P, am i legaly alowed to sign off my own works?

thanks, karl

yes you can sign certs BUT NOT comply with LABC. Surely you know this?? I've just read your other post!

 

[MDJ]

cannon fodder lol

 

[KWHElectrical]

just asking for help here guys thats all.

 

[Andy78]

Oh my goodness, you have no idea how the notification system works, I am not sure you know what you should be doing re certification, and certainly don't sound competent.

Might be worth leaving this job.

 

[Octopus]

So you can under cut the other guy, as you're not registered, and presumably doing this as a PJ and thus not paying tax and NI.

 

[KWHElectrical]

the forms i have are based on the model shown in appendix 6 of bs7671:2008 (2011)

they are by KEWTECH.

- - - Updated - - -

defo Registered mate

 

[KWHElectrical]

and this is why im asking for help? or where to get more help? you all started some where to get where you are.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

get a third of the cost upfront...get a contract for the work drawn up as well...stating exactly what work is being done...factor notifying LABC into the cost...you dont need to be NIC...or anything else for that matter apart from competant...

its notifyable work...
edit public liability will be required as you would be operating as `trade`...

 

[Andy78]

the forms i have are based on the model shown in appendix 6 of bs7671:2008 (2011)

they are by KEWTECH.

- - - Updated - - -

defo Registered mate

With which scheme are you registered ?

 

[MDJ]

Help oxygen required

 

[Andy78]

I'm gonna predict a cyclical nature to the debate of this thread from here on in.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

whats this?

 

[Geordie Spark]

I'm gonna predict a cyclical nature to the debate of this thread from here on in.

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[GLENNSPARK]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

a new board would be to the 17th edition....is this needed?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

dont confuse earthing & bonding....they each perform different functions and i`v seen in several sentances such being refered to earth bonding...this doesn`t exist...

 

[amptramp]

no offence but this is a simple every day job if you are that un-sure of basic electrical work ,DO NOT INVOLVE YOURSELF

 

[MDJ]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

400 cheaper, what was your quote

 

[BES]

"Standard circuit breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to disconnect in 0.4s."
Really!!

 

[thekingiam]

where do you live?
you would be better off paying for registration to a part p body and using this job for your assesment then you don't have to worry about labc.
what maximum demand have you calculated? as that will show you what you need.
going in and quoting a job based on what another electrician has calculated is not just rude but dangerous

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

is this a true statement?

 

[Geordie Spark]

400 cheaper, what was your quote

Three shillings and ninepence.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

"Standard circuit breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to disconnect in 0.4s."
Really!!

lol...heartbreakin innit....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i think the OP needs to take stock of any critisisms in here..and burn some midnight oil digesting BS7671...then applying it to the works he carries out....

 

[KWHElectrical]

£400 cheaper than your quote MDJ!

as for the quote list, i did not write this up, the original sparks did. and this is why im getting confused. everything on this list i CAN DO. i was just unsure of how to go about things.

 

[thekingiam]

Karl Wilkinson-Hurst is that you? amazing what you can find online!

 

[MDJ]

£400 cheaper than your quote MDJ!

as for the quote list, i did not write this up, the original sparks did. and this is why im getting confused. everything on this list i CAN DO. i was just unsure of how to go about things.

My quote ?

 

[thekingiam]

anyone can rewire a house but knowing how to do it is why people need sparks

 

[Andy78]

£400 cheaper than your quote MDJ!

as for the quote list, i did not write this up, the original sparks did. and this is why im getting confused. everything on this list i CAN DO. i was just unsure of how to go about things.

Well for starters with which method are you intending to notify this job ?

 

[KWHElectrical]

look guys, im not under cutting this other guy. i didn't know what he was charging. i never got told, just got handed this bit of information. i didn't come on here for a grilling just some advice.

 

[Octopus]

Is this really you? 3.5 years on domestics and asking these questions?

***personal details removed**

What scheme are you a member of?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

anyone can rewire a house but knowing how to do it is why people need sparks

its not a rewire...its a board change plus remedials...so to the OP:

have you carried out any pre-testing of the existing install?...and if so what values did you get?..you know IR, Ze etc...

 

[thekingiam]

***Personal details removed***

your website don't mention which part p body you are with just a sign saying part p.

 

[Octopus]

This thread is a FANTASTIC example of why the Electrical Industry, the schemes and Part P are in such a mess

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is this really you? 3.5 years on domestics and asking these questions?




What scheme are you a member of?

and what does it mean by `partP passed`?