Pricing for a job need help

[buzzlightyear]

average hourly rate for self employed is about 15p per hour

wow ,15p a hour must be Bangladesh prices asda .

 

[goasis]

Well again I guess it must be down to where you live....if you advertised in this area you'd have to fight them off.

How much can you earn on the cards with a firm there then? Can't be worth it!

 

[Brian Taylor]

How much can you earn on the cards with a firm there then? Can't be worth it!

Last I know about 15.00..dependant upon experiance

 

[goasis]

Last I know about 15.00..dependant upon experiance

So the same as being self employed.... when you've got your own van, expenses, holiday, sick pay, evenings..... somethings not quite adding up here....

 

[Brian Taylor]

So the same as being self employed.... when you've got your own van, expenses, holiday, sick pay, evenings..... somethings not quite adding up here....

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

As an electrician ?

 

[goasis]

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

No, im really confused but nevermind!

 

[LukeD]

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

Brian. Something is MORE than wrong .

Few questions !!

1. What sort or work do you do?
2. How many hours per week are you doing ?
3.Have you a expensive van lease etc etc ?
5. Are you travelling miles per day to get to jobs ?


others can throw in questions ! But again, something does not make sense . Biggest saving I made years ago was NOT having a van . Bloody waste of time these days for domestic jobs . Also the chances are they get broken into . And I never ever will lower the price of a quote . pricing cheap to win a job is a fools game .

 

[Electric Magic]

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

If it's really that bad (and a quick Google of electricians in Rainham suggests not, absolute cheapest I could find was £170 a day), why not advertise in London? I occasionally go to North London (from Greater Manchester) to do domestic rewires and make about £500/£600 a day even after taking account of travel time and accommodation.

 

[Brian Taylor]

As an electrician ?

Of course

 

[Dustydazzler]

£8000 as an electrician?

Unless you are working just 1 day a week , you are seriously under pricing

 

[LukeD]

£8000 as an electrician?

Unless you are working just 1 day a week , you are seriously under pricing

Or targeting or been targeted by the wrong customers ?

 

[Brian Taylor]

Or targeting or been targeted by the wrong customers ?

It's what customers will pay..there is very little point in putting in large invoices knowing that you absolutely no chance of getting them paid . I once went to court to recover the cost of a house rewire...I was awarded 50 pence a week by the court until the debt was paid...the customer failed to pay after 3 months..a waste of time

 

[Dustydazzler]

I now take 30% upfront ( when I arrive on site with all the gear ) then 30% after 1st fix and the remaning 40% on completion for re-wires, If they won't agree to these terms I walk on by

 

[goasis]

This has got to be a windup. £8k a year is paper round money. Would barely cover most peoples food shopping

 

[Brian Taylor]

Brian. Something is MORE than wrong .

Few questions !!

1. What sort or work do you do?
2. How many hours per week are you doing ?
3.Have you a expensive van lease etc etc ?
5. Are you travelling miles per day to get to jobs ?


others can throw in questions ! But again, something does not make sense . Biggest saving I made years ago was NOT having a van . Bloody waste of time these days for domestic jobs . Also the chances are they get broken into . And I never ever will lower the price of a quote . pricing cheap to win a job is a fools game .

I'm doing domestic work...sockets switches lights etc...working hours per week is a little difficult as sometimes I have no work on ...but on average I guess about 25 to 30 a week...I have a van but it's mine ..no rent or lease...and yes it has been broken into many times over the years..again milage is unpredictable..can be 2 or 3 miles or maybe 50 to 60 miles .depends on the job.

 

[Brian Taylor]

This has got to be a windup. £8k a year is paper round money. Would barely cover most peoples food shopping

Ah sounds as if you have very expensive paper boys in your area.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I now take 30% upfront ( when I arrive on site with all the gear ) then 30% after 1st fix and the remaning 40% on completion for re-wires, If they won't agree to these terms I walk on by

Yes that's a good idea if the customer agrees....I've found that most prospective customers just fail to contact me if I start asking for cash up front...to much advice from the consumer protection lobby advising people not to pay anything until completely satisfied.

 

[Diddy]

Haha. I hope you honestly are on a wee wind up.
I'm in Canterbury which is south eat Kent and charge between 5 and 6 times what you do...less than 50 miles away. Not a single electrician in my city would work for 15's. Not even Dave from the end of the bar is working for 15's lol.
I mean it's all good if you are happy lol, I am not criticising just kind of "surprised". We clearly do not have the same customer base and for both our point of view that's even better.
But Man you could travel 30 mins from north kent and be in outer smokey and charge 5x easily. 8k per year ? Again im not having a pop but if I was a tax inspector I would be all over your accounts like a demented spider looking for where your hiding the extra lol.

 

[LukeD]

Haha. I hope you honestly are on a wee wind up.
I'm in Canterbury which is south eat Kent and charge between 5 and 6 times what you do...less than 50 miles away. Not a single electrician in my city would work for 15's. Not even Dave from the end of the bar is working for 15's lol.
I mean it's all good if you are happy lol, I am not criticising just kind of "surprised". We clearly do not have the same customer base and for both our point of view that's even better.
But Man you could travel 30 mins from north kent and be in outer smokey and charge 5x easily. 8k per year ? Again im not having a pop but if I was a tax inspector I would be all over your accounts like a demented spider looking for where your hiding the extra lol.

Last bit could really be a issue . No one would believe it

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Ah well I'm sure your next question is how much do I earn....I will save you the bother of typing....last year my take home pay was a little over £8000.00....now it makes sense?

It doesn't make sense. I don't see how you can pay for basic rent, bills and food with this.

 

[LukeD]

It doesn't make sense. I don't see how you can pay for basic rent, bills and food with this.

many months ago I posted the same situation.

someone I know was investigated .It was all going ok, "Ive had a terrible year blah blah blah" .Tax man then turns arounds and says "Now show me how you lived " ? He could not show how he paid for things as it had all been cash in hand etc .Tax man laughed his head off and told him it happens all the time .The clever ones GET OVERDRAFTS /LOANS OR USE CREDIT CARDS etc to at least say this is how we funded our everyday needs

 

[timhoward]

After reading Brian's comments on this thread and this:

Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ? - in - UK Electrical Forum

UK, Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?, UK Electrical Forum, ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum and page_number.

www.electriciansforums.net

I'm becoming more convinced that this a long slow wind-up game.
Other threads are available and maybe more deserving of attention!

 

[JBW175]

He’s been on a few threads over the years with this £150 a day pricing from what I recall, they all seem to go the shame way.

I’m not buying it to be honest. Plasters I use are charging £200 a day (cash price). I don’t see why any self respecting Electrician would work for £150, double it and we’re getting closer.

 

[DPG]

He’s been on a few threads over the years with this £150 a day pricing from what I recall, they all seem to go the shame way.

I’m not buying it to be honest. Plasters I use are charging £200 a day (cash price). I don’t see why any self respecting Electrician would work for £150, double it and we’re getting closer.

Don't forget the £85 EICRs.

 

[JBW175]

Don't forget the £85 EICRs.

Exactly, and anyone conducting them for that price is contributing to the demise of the trade.

 

[goasis]

After reading Brian's comments on this thread and this:

Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ? - in - UK Electrical Forum

UK, Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?, UK Electrical Forum, ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum and page_number.

www.electriciansforums.net

I'm becoming more convinced that this a long slow wind-up game.
Other threads are available and maybe more deserving of attention!

It's got to be a wind up! I hadn't seen that thread, if it's not then the guy must be living in a different country or timezone!! Even your average man on the street has heard of NICEIC!! 40 yrs in the game and doesn't know what notification is. Can't be true.

 

[Dustydazzler]

You won't get any trades people in my area for less than £200 cash per day in my area

A friend of mine tiled my bathroom just before Covid and I paid him his normal cash rate and that worked out roughly £600 for 2 days work

All this nonsense of £150 a day is laughable , I was getting £150 a day 15-16 years ago

 

[Diddy]

Well again I guess it must be down to where you live....if you advertised in this area you'd have to fight them off.

You speak as if North Kent has a wall around

After reading Brian's comments on this thread and this:

Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ? - in - UK Electrical Forum

UK, Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?, UK Electrical Forum, ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum and page_number.

www.electriciansforums.net

I'm becoming more convinced that this a long slow wind-up game.
Other threads are available and maybe more deserving of attention!

Jesus lol. I was erring on the side of trying to be "diplomatic". But seeing the other thread leads me to believe it's a wind up OR it is actually Dave from the end of the bar who hasn't put his prices up to match real electricians lol.

 

[Dustydazzler]

£150 a day is a wind up , it has to be....

The 16 year old lads that sweep the building sites in London get more than that

 

[Diddy]

Yeah I even just wasted MY time just double checking because I don't travel outside my wee bubble down here in east kent. Even PAYE sparks on indeed are looking at 40k on the cards with van etc. Subby bottom of the range is £20 and that had zero bites in 12 days....lol
Funny enough there WAS an ad for improvers at ......................£150 a day lol again posted 12 days ago zero takers.
Posting to either wind people up or he is trying to get someone to work for him at £15 per hour lol

 

[Brian Taylor]

Yeah I even just wasted MY time just double checking because I don't travel outside my wee bubble down here in east kent. Even PAYE sparks on indeed are looking at 40k on the cards with van etc. Subby bottom of the range is £20 and that had zero bites in 12 days....lol
Funny enough there WAS an ad for improvers at ......................£150 a day lol again posted 12 days ago zero takers.
Posting to either wind people up or he is trying to get someone to work for him at £15 per hour lol

If anyone is winding anyone up I think it's you....£40,000 paye...is ludicrous....look in the job agencies in Maidstone ...you won't fine any electrical work offering more than 16.00 per hour including overtime ...40,000 is chartered engineer money.

 

[goasis]

If anyone is winding anyone up I think it's you....£40,000 paye...is ludicrous....look in the job agencies in Maidstone ...you won't fine any electrical work offering more than 16.00 per hour including overtime ...40,000 is chartered engineer money.

If indeed any of this is remotely true (it can't be. How can anyone live on 8k per year unless you are still at home.woth your parents maybe?) I'm not sure that someone who is in the trade but doesn't know what notifiable work is, or has no grasp of building regulations, is worth more than £15 per hr.

 

[Diddy]

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[Brian Taylor]

Electrician (18th Edition, 2391 Test and Inspect)
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Posted 9 days ago
Activate one-click apply. What is one-click apply?
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For this role, you will have rail experience as an electrician. Experience of 650v is also a advantage although not essential for this particular position.

The package includes:

Choice of South East and South Coast based locations
25 days holiday
Pension
Private Healthcare for up to 4 family members
Life Insurance
Annual Bonus
Training and progression
For more details and a confidential, discussion, apply below or contact us.


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Rochester (ME3)
Up to £42,000 per annum Up to £42,000 +

Seems to good to be true...there must be a catch

 

[nicebutdim]

Seems to good to be true...there must be a catch

You have to apply.

 

[123]

From his previous posts @Brian Taylor has been a sparky for over 30 years. And mustn't have increased his prices since he started out.

8k a year take home, well you ain't gonna be paying any tax on £153.84 a week. Aldi is a tenner an hour, if you can get a job with them for 16 hours a week then you get a slight take home pay increase, holiday pay and some pension. A step in the right direction.

 

[Diddy]

Seems to good to be true...there must be a catch

Yeah the catch is you need to be a fully qualified electrician to the latest standards. If you look closely at the copy/pate i did from indeed you will note that there is 4 ad's there 3 offering over 40k and one offering £22-£23 per hour....So that's 4 jobs all with a "catch".
Right I'm off to watch the rest of the snooker now. I am done with the --- for tat. In my humble opinion you are either on the troll path or you simply are not qualified and you are just doing leccy work for friends...If that's the case you could earn more as a improver/electrical labourer.
I promise (myself) that I am done with this now lol. I'm actually working nearly a full day tomorrow so I need to rest now lol.



Sorry to OP as this has just distracted from your question which I hope has been answered. Think we said 3 days at your day rate and we assume/hope your day rate is high enough to actually cover your expected wages and your business costs from admin to fuel including every single pound that you spend to operate your business including sick pay/holiday pay/down times insurances and the plethora of stuff that MANY people overlook when they first start a business.

 

[JLHELEC]

Yeah the catch is you need to be a fully qualified electrician to the latest standards. If you look closely at the copy/pate i did from indeed you will note that there is 4 ad's there 3 offering over 40k and one offering £22-£23 per hour....So that's 4 jobs all with a "catch".
Right I'm off to watch the rest of the snooker now. I am done with the --- for tat. In my humble opinion you are either on the troll path or you simply are not qualified and you are just doing leccy work for friends...If that's the case you could earn more as a improver/electrical labourer.
I promise (myself) that I am done with this now lol. I'm actually working nearly a full day tomorrow so I need to rest now lol.



Sorry to OP as this has just distracted from your question which I hope has been answered. Think we said 3 days at your day rate and we assume/hope your day rate is high enough to actually cover your expected wages and your business costs from admin to fuel including every single pound that you spend to operate your business including sick pay/holiday pay/down times insurances and the plethora of stuff that MANY people overlook when they first start a business.

No need to apologise! My thoughts is this man is a troll no 2 ways about it

But appreciate all the genuine replies you've been great help, thank you.