Problem this afternoon

[Zebra Stripe]

Get a grip! Leeds Utd fans? Do they really exists ..... :sad:

I lived all over the place and one thing that is without doubt a complete constant (apart from the obligatory plastic manure or liverpoo etc) is that Leeds supporters are everywhere… the one and only real sleeping giant is stirring, beware Leeds Utd are finally waking up …leeds leeds leeds

 

[R G]

I lived all over the place and one thing that is without doubt a complete constant (apart from the obligatory plastic manure or liverpo etc) is that Leeds supporters are everywhere… the one and only real sleeping giant is stirring, beware Leeds Utd are finally waking up …leeds leeds leeds

They will be back where they belong sooner or later ,

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Been a fan all my life since the early 70s , Good old Reevie ,,

i should think so as well..!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

thing is its a big club for a big city...

the catchment area is huge...

look at it like this:

theres 590,000 people live in west Leeds alone....thats more than the whole of either Liverpool, Sheffield or Bristol...

 

[R G]

thing is its a big club for a big city...

the catchment area is huge...

look at it like this:

theres 590,000 people live in west Leeds alone....thats more than the whole of either Liverpool, Sheffield or Bristol...

The truth is this ; You can go wherever you want and meet true Leeds fans , always remaining loyal , no matter what league their in ,,,,

 

[Badged01]

They will be back where they belong sooner or later ,

Think its the later rather than the sooner ..... every major city should have a premier club but for some reason Leeds just fail.

 

[Badged01]

.... We need a new kicker admittedly, but the near decapitation was the reason we lost today.

But that was borne out because the kicker (Billy no mates ) couldnt do his job and left the rest of the team having do do something drastic to avoid more points being put over them! And Hibbard cant kick so you best get something ready for next season .....

 

[R G]

Looking at things its gonna take time , But it all comes back in time ,,

 

[Badged01]

... but your best option is to go watch a team with creativity, panache and flair ........ the Bath :smiley2:

 

[Badged01]

Looking at things its gonna take time , But it all comes back in time ,,

Its a hell of alot of time! The last time Leeds were a power was back in the 70's .... good old Billy and the boys :smile5:

 

[R G]

Its a hell of alot of time! The last time Leeds were a power was back in the 70's .... good old Billy and the boys :smile5:

Those were the days , the days when loads of us became Leeds fans , I was in secondary school then and thats what made many of us Leeds fans back then ,

 

[Badged01]

I went to watch them a few times in the 80's but only becasue I was seeing a bit of skirt from the area .....made for a good Saturday out, few beers, trip to Elland road then back to the house for a bit of indoor sport :smiley2:

 

[Badged01]

Help in new to this and not sure I'm in the right place ,my RCD plug off my lay z spa hot tub and now won't work, is there a chance it ll work when it dries out our do I need to replace?

How many girls you got in the hot tub with you?

 

[GMES]

Tomorrow will be a good day when the mighty Blades win the semi final at Wembley

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I went to watch them a few times in the 80's but only becasue I was seeing a bit of skirt from the area .....made for a good Saturday out, few beers, trip to Elland road then back to the house for a bit of indoor sport :smiley2:

yeah your rite..

most of the action was off the pitch back in the 80s....lol..

 

[ipf]

Been a fan all my life since the early 70s , Good old Reevie ,,

If anyone would sell somebody down the river for cash, it would have to be 'Good old Don'.

 

[UNG]

In a word, YES!

If he didn't want to work late on a friday he should have turned the job down, everyone knows there is no such thing as an easy fix job on a friday afternoon!

Once you have started the job it becomes your responsibility and you work till it is finished.

And yes I do practice what I preach and do work late into the night and have done over 24 hours straight in the past to get a job done.

That's just good customer service and I do the same

How is that being fair? Anyone who takes the word of a customer who has 'just' changed a socket is asking for a late night!

Every time a customer says I only did xxxxxxx then you know you are into a long job if only to wring out of the customer the real facts to give you a fighting chance of locating the fault without dismantling everything. Many years ago had a call one Xmas eve at 2pm just finished decorating the hall, stairs and landing and all the lights have gone off can you fix it before 5pm found the fault quite quickly switch located between two door frames and a picture above the switch which he claimed to have reused the old hole only this time he had got the live and the earth as he had replaced the picture hook then he mentions he got a tingle off it when he removed it so how long it was live for I don't know

I always try to leave at least one socket on for the kettle so's the nice customer can make plenty.

Was asked by a customer whether all the power would be off while I did some work for him my reply was apart from 1 hour while I swapped a CU there would always be at least one socket on for the kettle and the toaster. Was one of the best customers I have worked for him and his wife had good sense of humour and there was plenty of banter

 

[Chrisuk]

Its a hell of alot of time! The last time Leeds were a power was back in the 70's .... good old Billy and the boys :smile5:

We also did pretty good winning the first division back in 91-92
Now cellino came on board time will see what he can do for the club
He's meant to have the money!

 

[Zebra Stripe]

And semi finals champions league 2001 and the best supported team since time began away from home

 

[GLENNSPARK]

We also did pretty good winning the first division back in 91-92
Now cellino came on board time will see what he can do for the club
He's meant to have the money!

hmm..
we`ll see...

 

[Chrisuk]

hmm..
we`ll see...

We certainly will Glenn, we'll see just how deep his pockets are, someone said he's promised to buy X amount of players, don't know if this is true or not

 

[GLENNSPARK]

We certainly will Glenn, we'll see just how deep his pockets are, someone said he's promised to buy X amount of players, don't know if this is true or not

i`l believe it when i sees it..

 

[uksparks]

I'm off round to fix (hopefully) this problem at 10am, ill update you when I get back as to what it was.

 

[Badged01]

Good luck! Look forward to hearing if all the theory spouted out has anything to do with the problem in the end .....

 

[uksparks]

Hi,

Just popped back as need to lift floor board and needed my cutter which I left at home (its ok as its only a few streets away)

I have got the wander lead out, continuity from CU to every socket for line and earth separately, so thats ok

Nothing on the neutral.

So i then go to what I believe to be the first socket on the radial as its the lowest I can find one with any resistance on the line, I then go from that to every other known socket or outlet on the circuit and theres continuity on all three conductors ok.

So then I take that to the boiler which again was fine and thats in the airing cupboard above the stairs, (CU under stairs), continuity is fine, so now I am going to pull the floor board up where there's a junction box on the landing where the boiler is cut into the ring and and go from there to the rest and back to the CU which I guess is the first bit.

I suspect then at this that there's a trapped or broken neutral between the landing floor and the CU which is about 2 meters.

I cannot see anything bad so far, but I will replace the leg and see what happens.

Ill keep you posted.

 

[uksparks]

Well the cable coming out the CU goes up under the floor but disappears and cannot seem to find it, found all the others, but not that sodding cable. Ive got continuity back to this junction box under the floor from all points, but cannot seem to find what feeds the first socket.

Anyone else around Leicester who fancies taking a look? I have definately narrowed it down to the leg that goes from the CU to the first socket, but cannot find the cable anywhere...

I have not charged him for my time today as I have not fixed it.

Any thoughts other than to keep looking?

 

[UNG]

Have you got a tone tester or cable tracer essential kit for this type of job IMO

 

[southsea1201]

Sounds like the client has done more DIY than he's letting on. You need to ask him exactly what he has done besides replacing socket faces....any sign of freshly skimmed walls...WhereTF is that missing cable? Shameful when people call you in and only tell you an edited version of what they've been doing. They should realise that coming clean will make fault finding a lot quicker, and thus cheaper.

 

[uksparks]

I should really buy myself a dead circuit tracer, it would be worth every penny in this case.

I feel he is not letting on, because his mate came round and said there were cables going across this bit where the arch way way that we have refilled and skimmed etc.... I thought hmm, ok so you may have trapped a cable or something.

Ill be buggered if I am going to waste all day looking for it and get paid next to nothing, ill let someone else have a go.

I have asked him repeatedly what he has done, and every time he says something its different and then his mate said yeah there were wires there whilst he says no...

There has been two extensions, two story, it does only appear to be downstairs sockets, excluding the kitchen which is separate.

The issue i have is, the cable comes out the CU, up the wall clipped 2ft, then under the floor, straight forward, but then is just disappears, its like its a WIFI radial. I had various floor boards up and couldnt see anything obvious.

I am not 100% sure if its the leg from the CU to the landing or the Landing to the first socket, as I don't know where the cable goes from the CU as it disappears.

What would you suggest I do? I have tried calling a few local people to ask if anyone else wants a crack but everyone is too busy..

 

[Richard Burns]

Confirm that the cable from the CU goes to the junction box by checking if it is live and switching it off or disconnecting it and checking it is dead or continuity testing from CU to JB input.
Then take a new piece of cable and connect it it from the (MF) JB back to the CU. disconnect faulty cable and label as faulty.
Test the circuit, fill in MEWIC, get paid.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Have got a tone tester or cable tracer essential kit for this type of job IMO

i`v got a tone n amp...and a fusefinder...

and yep...you need em....

 

[jaypp]

just make sure that if you re-wire that leg to 1st socket that there is nothing else inbetween

 

[uksparks]

Thats the issue, the juntion box doesnt seem to go to the CU... bugger it!

I think ill order a tracer tonight!, see my other thread, any views as to which?

 

[nickblake]

any radiators on the wall have a look behind them wouldnt be the first time one's been put over a socket and when they do you can guarentee its the faulty one

 

[uksparks]

Yep checked that, I'm still not convinced it's not where they took an old arch out where a lintel is and buried cables along it.

I don't particularly want to spend any more time on it as have a lot on this week and can't really squeeze it in.

if shy of you are in leicester feel free to have a go.

 

[jaypp]

temporary feed to JB, disconnect existing leg both ends, power up and see what's not working. If ok, replace leg

 

[R G]

Whatever it is thats in the wall wants disconnecting anyway , if you have identified all points on that circuit that is , I would run another leg out and ditch the faulty leg , at the JB , see whats not live after that , as said do a temporary at first ,

 

[Richard Burns]

Thats the issue, the juntion box doesnt seem to go to the CU... bugger it!

I think ill order a tracer tonight!, see my other thread, any views as to which?

You said that you had line and earth continuity back to the CU from all the sockets, therefore you should be able to get line earth continuity from CU to this junction box, if you cannot get continuity then this junction box is not on that circuit!

 

[uksparks]

Yes the junction box, its just where the boiler is cut into it, I have continuity there for line and earth, but no neutral, but unfortunately the cables go back away from the CU and cannot seem to find the one from the CU to the first point.

I have a nasty feeling its the cable the DIY'er is telling me is buried in his newly skimmed archway.

I feel I need another pair of eyes looking at this as someone else may spot something I have missed. I have definately narrowed it down some what, but cannot find the cable that I have narrowed it down to!

I don't particularly want half the house floor up looking for it as the place is full to the brim.

 

[uksparks]

The r1 reading at the point I beleive to be the first point is 0.13 ohms, from the CU to that point, it could easily be 12 - 14 meters maybe. I have tried every outlet, switch and socket, and that's the lowest one, which is the first one in the extension, so it is quite possibly the one, the rest increase up to about 2.3 ohms, and if you plot if round you can see them increase round the way I think they go.

 

[R G]

When you say first point , what is that showing a re all 3 cores o/k to that point , and its what happens to it after that to the j/b is that right ...

 

[R G]

I would be inclined to run out a new supply to the j/b and ditch whatever is before that , then think about refeedng the other points after that ,,

 

[uksparks]

I dont think I have made myself very clear...

the junction box is not the first point, but it is the nearest point to the CU at only 2.5m away. It is the radial with the boiler cut into it.

The nearest point / socket is approx. 12m away, I presume this is the first point as it has the lowest resistance on the line conductor compared to all of the others.

One thing I could do, but not too sure if its such a great idea, is just disconnect the feed from the CU and just run a new leg up to the junction box as I know everything has continuity from that point, but this would leave the bad leg in place and live.

How would you feel about doing that? Ok its the easiest quickest way but does it comply? it would not be a radial, but more of a lollipop shape...

 

[uksparks]

Hi,

Just popped back with the new tool Martindale CD1000, found the problem within 30 mins.

this is a downstairs plug circuit bare in mind.

Upstairs socket in one of 5 bedrooms, he had changed a LOT of faceplates round the house, anyway, one socket in a bedroom, three cables into it for some reason, so a random socket with a spur coming off it i guess, anyway, jist of it is, one of the neutrals had not been connected, it was sitting at the back of the back box....

DAMN DIYER'S!!!

But the CD1000 foudn it as it was squealing away then it stopped, worked a treat and without it i would have literally had to remove any faceplate.

Problem solved

 

[UNG]

Hi,

Just popped back with the new tool Martindale CD1000, found the problem within 30 mins.

this is a downstairs plug circuit bare in mind.

Upstairs socket in one of 5 bedrooms, he had changed a LOT of faceplates round the house, anyway, one socket in a bedroom, three cables into it for some reason, so a random socket with a spur coming off it i guess, anyway, jist of it is, one of the neutrals had not been connected, it was sitting at the back of the back box....

DAMN DIYER'S!!!

But the CD1000 foudn it as it was squealing away then it stopped, worked a treat and without it i would have literally had to remove any faceplate.

Problem solved

It's easy with the right tools in the armoury

 

[uksparks]

indeed it is!