Qualified Electricians Please!

[chucksvg]

Morning all,


Is there a qualified electrician on here who is willing to sign a NVQ pack for me to start my NVQ, please?


Much thanks in advance!


Charles

 

[Mike Johnson]

You need to tell us what the NVQ pack requires and deems is a "qualified electrician"?

 

[chucksvg]

You need to tell us what the NVQ pack requires and deems is a "qualified electrician"?

Hi,

The pack requires a qualified electrician to give me these details to send off to ERR Ltd, the company for which I'm doing my NVQ with: copies of the electrician's qualifications, a copy of his or her up to date CV and a signature.

thanks

Charles

 

[chucksvg]

You need to tell us what the NVQ pack requires and deems is a "qualified electrician"?

The qualified person has to have a gold card, be willing to give me a copy of his or her qualifications, give me a copy of their up to date CV, give me their full name, I'll also need their address and they would need to sign off all my tasks once completed by me, please.

All above is what required by the NVQ pack from ERR Ltd.

Hope this information helps


Thanks much

Charles

 

[buzzlightyear]

The qualified person has to have a gold card, be willing to give me a copy of his or her qualifications, give me a copy of their up to date CV, give me their full name, I'll also need their address and they would need to sign off all my tasks once completed by me, please.

I don't think so, you need to be on site to watch you doing the tasks.which dum --- it going to do that.

 

[chucksvg]

I don't think so, you need to be on site to watch you doing the tasks.which dum --- it going to do that.

 

[chucksvg]

I expressed this to my training provider that people might not be happy to give me thier personal details, but their response was, I am not trying hard enough to get the details from qualified electricians.

I personally believe that this is a method frequently used by ERR Ltd to slow the trainees down as they only have one electrical tutor who does the whole of the UK.


ERR Ltd was the one who forced me to ask on this forum as I didn't feel comfortable asking for such information.

The thing is, I have completed every possible qualification there is to obtain, electrically speaking, and my NVQ is the last thing I need to be fully qualified


This is truly frustrating for a company to have me approaching qualified electricians to ask them for their personal details and I have been turned down by few people already, even a close friend.

I feel as if I'm getting nowhere!

 

[plugsandsparks]

National Vocational Qualification (NVQ) - ERR Ltd.

errltd.co.uk

mmm, i dont doubt the need to ensure the electrician overseeing the NVQ would have to disclose their details to ensure the NVQ is being managed correctly, however, they do appear to be having a problem delivering against their own claims......

In reality, a stranger electrician giving you their personal details to be used to justify an NVQ without that electrician actually being your mentor does appear far fetched.

 

[nicebutdim]

I'd be asking them for a refund and considering asking trading standards to take a look at their business practices.

It would appear as though they can't provide the comprehensive training offered and are instead asking students to find a random electrician, whose details can be used to pretend work has been inspected.

There have been issues raised about several training providers, but this is an entirely new effort at getting around certifying body requirements. I reckon City & Guilds and EAL would be interested to learn about these guys.

 

[chucksvg]

National Vocational Qualification (NVQ) - ERR Ltd.

errltd.co.uk

mmm, i dont doubt the need to ensure the electrician overseeing the NVQ would have to disclose their details to ensure the NVQ is being managed correctly, however, they do appear to be having a problem delivering against their own claims......

In reality, a stranger electrician giving you their personal details to be used to justify an NVQ without that electrician actually being your mentor does appear far fetched.

I'd be asking them for a refund and considering asking trading standards to take a look at their business practices.

It would appear as though they can't provide the comprehensive training offered and are instead asking students to find a random electrician, whose details can be used to pretend work has been inspected.

There have been issues raised about several training providers, but this is an entirely new effort at getting around certifying body requirements. I reckon City & Guilds and EAL would be interested to learn about these guys.

I agree. That was what I suggested!

I'd be asking them for a refund and considering asking trading standards to take a look at their business practices.

It would appear as though they can't provide the comprehensive training offered and are instead asking students to find a random electrician, whose details can be used to pretend work has been inspected.

There have been issues raised about several training providers, but this is an entirely new effort at getting around certifying body requirements. I reckon City & Guilds and EAL would be interested to learn about these guys.

Thanks for this information. I'll contact trading standard regarding this.

 

[Mike Johnson]

The thing is, I have completed every possible qualification there is to obtain, electrically speaking, and my NVQ is the last thing I need to be fully qualified

Interesting statement, can you tell us what qualifications you already have as they may be sufficient to join a scheme and be assessed, may be an idea to approach one and find out.

 

[DPG]

Unbelievable
More words
Unbelievable

 

[Mike Johnson]

Sounds like the scams you see on e-by where someone asks to inspect you expensive item for sale and asks for your address, then surprise surprise you get broken into, akin to asking for an electricians full name and address, thinking further, I thought the route to becoming an electrician was the NVQ first?

 

[chucksvg]

Interesting statement, can you tell us what qualifications you already have as they may be sufficient to join a scheme and be assessed, may be an idea to approach one and find out.

These are the qualifications I have so far: Pasma, iPaf, levels 2&3, 18th, 2391, Solar, AM2 and Bridging Unit.

I have been working in the industry for six years.

 

[chucksvg]

Sounds like the scams you see on e-by where someone asks to inspect you expensive item for sale and asks for your address, then surprise surprise you get broken into, akin to asking for an electricians full name and address, thinking further, I thought the route to becoming an electrician was the NVQ first?

They seem to be legit, so I think it would be more get people's information to sell it - we know that is a thing now.

I contacted other companies which claimed, that isn't the case with them but, I already paid ERR Ltd so I can't go elsewhere now unless they are willing to refund me.

One lady at the office said the course was nonrefundable when I asked for the nvq equivalent to take my service elsewhere.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I have been informed quite recently by NBD that you can't have the AM2 without already having an NVQ?

To the OP: as I said above why not contact a Scheme provider and ask if you can join with your current qualifications, let's face it, they can't survive without members so should not be that obstructive.

 

[Mike Johnson]

How about asking for a partial re-fund as their requirements breach the Personal Privacy Act asking for details of someone not involved or training with them, need to look that up to see if its correct.

The bit about "to be able to control who can see or use information about you."

 

[chucksvg]

I have been informed quite recently by NBD that you can't have the AM2 without already having an NVQ?

To the OP: as I said above why not contact a Scheme provider and ask if you can join with your current qualifications, let's face it, they can't survive without members so should not be that obstructive.

Yes you can, as I do. My AM2 was submitted to ECS recently and checked it over and gave me an EXPERIENCED WORK'S CARD.

Everyone I. Spoke to said the same like you, but ERR managed to manipulate that part the course so they could mess people around at the end, like they are doing to me now.

I also caught them in much lies: between ERR Ltd and NEW TRADES CAREERS (NTC).

NTC is my training provider and they are the ones who demanded that I come on this platform and ask for the information in which I did.

 

[nicebutdim]

I have been informed quite recently by NBD that you can't have the AM2 without already having an NVQ?

Apparently the information provided by NET, who are behind the AM2, is wrong.

That's two people in as many days who've been able to sit it without first attaining the supposed requisite NVQ.

 

[chucksvg]

Apparently the information provided by NET, who are behind the AM2, is wrong.

That's two people in as many days who've been able to sit it without first attaining the supposed requisite NVQ.

Good to hear that you were able to get the correct information regarding the order in which the NVQ and AM2 should be done.

 

[nicebutdim]

Good to hear that you were able to get the correct information regarding the order in which the NVQ and AM2 should be done.

It's not the correct order, but clearly it is possible to sit the AM2 before gaining the required NVQ.

Here is the page from NET detailing gateway requirements for the AM2

AM2 Assessment | AM2 Gateway Requirements | NET

Candidates are not permitted to sit the AM2 without evidence that they have the required foundation of experience, knowledge and performance qualifications. From 01 September 2022, all AM2 applicants must submit evidence of one of the following:

www.netservices.org.uk

ECR will provide an experienced worker card to someone with a JIB recognised level 3 theory qualification, who intends to complete their NVQ within 18 months and this card must be renewed within 18 months

The problem here is that in order to fully complete level 3 of C&G 2365 (or equivalent) and gain an NVQ, you must complete a portfolio of work undertaken to the satisfaction of the relevant awarding body. Without completing this, it is not possible to be awarded level 3 NVQ (vocational qualification as opposed to theory), nor to undertake the AM2, yet here you appear to have slipped through the cracks, yet can't actually complete level 3.

I don't imagine any spark is going to provide the details you require, in order to allow someone whose work the know nothing of to be signed off in their name.

I'd suggest your best bet would be to make use of that ECR card and get working on site under a spark, where you will be able to gain the experience required to complete a protfolio and be in a position to have it signed off by someone who has actually seen the work carried out and will be happy to make a statement to that effect. That or take the experienced worker assessment, although you would ordinarily be required to provide evidence of five years experience in order to do so.

 

[chucksvg]

It's not the correct order, but clearly it is possible to sit the AM2 before gaining the required NVQ.

Here is the page from NET detailing gateway requirements for the AM2

AM2 Assessment | AM2 Gateway Requirements | NET

Candidates are not permitted to sit the AM2 without evidence that they have the required foundation of experience, knowledge and performance qualifications. From 01 September 2022, all AM2 applicants must submit evidence of one of the following:

www.netservices.org.uk

ECR will provide an experienced worker card to someone with a JIB recognised level 3 theory qualification, who intends to complete their NVQ within 18 months and this card must be renewed within 18 months

The problem here is that in order to fully complete level 3 of C&G 2365 (or equivalent) and gain an NVQ, you must complete a portfolio of work undertaken to the satisfaction of the relevant awarding body. Without completing this, it is not possible to be awarded level 3 NVQ (vocational qualification as opposed to theory), nor to undertake the AM2, yet here you appear to have slipped through the cracks, yet can't actually complete level 3.

I don't imagine any spark is going to provide the details you require, in order to allow someone whose work the know nothing of to be signed off in their name.

I'd suggest your best bet would be to make use of that ECR card and get working on site under a spark, where you will be able to gain the experience required to complete a protfolio and be in a position to have it signed off by someone who has actually seen the work carried out and will be happy to make a statement to that effect. That or take the experienced worker assessment, although you would ordinarily be required to provide evidence of five years experience in order to do so.

Thanks much for the advice!

Charles

 

[chucksvg]

How about asking for a partial re-fund as their requirements breach the Personal Privacy Act asking for details of someone not involved or training with them, need to look that up to see if its correct.

The bit about "to be able to control who can see or use information about you."

Appreciate that!

 

[Dan]

Yes you can, as I do. My AM2 was submitted to ECS recently and checked it over and gave me an EXPERIENCED WORK'S CARD.

Everyone I. Spoke to said the same like you, but ERR managed to manipulate that part the course so they could mess people around at the end, like they are doing to me now.

I also caught them in much lies: between ERR Ltd and NEW TRADES CAREERS (NTC).

NTC is my training provider and they are the ones who demanded that I come on this platform and ask for the information in which I did.

New trades careers? I think that's one we have a fair bit of bad feedback about?

 

[chucksvg]

New trades careers? I think that's one we have a fair bit of bad feedback about?

Thanks much for the information.

I have reported them to trading standard.

Trading Standard was not happy about N.T.C. and their criteria for NVQ Level in Electrical so they've helped me to put in a complaint against them.

I have sent off the letter to N.T.C. last night and they have 14 days to get back to me.

I truly appreciate the help and feedback I have gotten here on this platform!

 

[Vortigern]

The course trainer can assess and sign off your work. Check C&G site! The portfolio is finally assessed by an external assessor. A customer can sign off on your work as well! Really don't know their job do they.

 

[nicebutdim]

The course trainer can assess and sign off your work. Check C&G site! The portfolio is finally assessed by an external assessor. A customer can sign off on your work as well! Really don't know their job do they.

OP states that the training provider has one tutor for whole of UK. I suspect they don't have anyone qualified, so they're putting this back on trainees to find someone whose details can be used.

It all sounds very dodgy.

 

[chucksvg]

Thanks much for the information.

I have reported them to trading standard.

Trading Standard was not happy about N.T.C. and their criteria for NVQ Level in Electrical so they've helped me to put in a complaint against them.

I have sent off the letter to N.T.C. last night and they have 14 days to get back to me.

I truly appreciate the help and feedback I have gotten here on this platform!

Hey Dan, sorry it took me this long to get back to you, but I'm currently awaiting the second response from BT before taking the final step, which is to start court proceedings with the help of Trading Standards.


NTC said that they would not contact you as you have asked me tell them to get in touch with you, seeing that they are a business.


I also contacted City & Guilds who said that they are not responsible for the information requested by NTC. City & Guilds went on to say that these rules are set out by the training provider.


NTC lied to me and said that these rules for the witness statement information was put in place by city & guilds but this just confirmed that NTC is nothing but a big liar!


Hopefully the court will reward me with the correct amount to pay for my NVQ.

Thanks again Dan for your help!

 

[davesparks]

I have been informed quite recently by NBD that you can't have the AM2 without already having an NVQ?

That's two people in as many days who've been able to sit it without first attaining the supposed requisite NVQ.

It's the other way round, or certainly was when I qualified.
The AM2 certificate must be included in the level 3 NVQ portfolio before it can be submitted for assessment.

 

[chucksvg]

It's the other way round, or certainly was when I qualified.
The AM2 certificate must be included in the level 3 NVQ portfolio before it can be submitted for assessment.

I have my AM2 but not yet completed my NVQ. It is legitimate cause it has been submitted to ECS who gave me an Experienced Workers Card as a result so I know for sure that it's not illegal.

 

[nicebutdim]

It's the other way round, or certainly was when I qualified.
The AM2 certificate must be included in the level 3 NVQ portfolio before it can be submitted for assessment.

We can't go forward to the AM2 until NVQ is completed and signed off.

By 'we' I mean everyone studying at a college in NI.

 

[chucksvg]

We can't go forward to the AM2 until NVQ is completed and signed off.

By 'we' I mean everyone studying at a college in NI.

I spoke with City & Guilds and they said that the rules are set by the training providers so different providers do things differently but when you question them about the rules that may come across as not making any sense, as it would appear to be beneficial for the training providers only, they would try to lie and blame the rules on City & Guilds.

I have experienced this with ERR Ltd which is a training provider.

 

[nicebutdim]

I spoke with City & Guilds and they said that the rules are set by the training providers so different providers do things differently but when you question them about the rules that may come across as not making any sense, as it would appear to be beneficial for the training providers only, they would try to lie and blame the rules on City & Guilds.

I have experienced this with ERR Ltd which is a training provider.

AM2 assessment centre in NI is run by the electrician training trust, so that explains why the rules are unchanged for all colleges here.

 

[nicebutdim]

*electrical training trust