The tories policies are working

[Adam W]

But listening to the TV stations and reading the newspapers you wouldn't believe anything was wrong lol, over to you Adam.

So where did you get your list from if it wasn't the Labour propaganda you've been sucked in by?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Yes it is but it's the suggestion that I object to. I know a lot of people who are on the dole and they're not all lazy, indolent scroungers.

Yeah, but some are!

Actually, it's a rehash of an old idea, vaugely remember some madness about food tokens or something or other...

 

[Guest77]

He he he he he lol

 

[trev]

Yeah, but some are!

Actually, it's a rehash of an old idea, vaugely remember some madness about food tokens or something or other...

So because some of them are then all of them should be made to be victims of some sort of economic apartheid?
It's shaming people for something which might not be their fault! Suppose you get a Phones4U employee who has worked there since leaving school. He/she signs on because the networks pulled the plug and caused that company to collapse and then has to suffer some sort of stigma with people looking down on them because of their situation?
Lets just give them all yellow stars to wear on their clothes. It'll be a whole lot easier.
The idea is appalling.

 

[Octopus]

Oh Mike, just so you know. We must remember that the recession was all Labour's fault. That's the global recession I'm talking about. Lol

Reckless spending from 2005 to 2010 was a major contributor to the subsequent recession. As for the "growth" in 2010 - of course there was growth, false bought growth by Labour employing approx 250k people in the state and accelerating public spending, whilst any one could see tax receipts dropping.

millipede may end up PM in 2015, but what can he do? They have pledged to stick to the current spending plans. I see doom and gloom continuing under who ever wins.

the only thing that will rescue the UK now will be the eu, releasing the southern countries from the euro, and then, just maybe, as their currencies devalue, they will become more competitive on the world stage, the growth for Europe will begin, and yes the uk will benefit. All the time the eu monster staggers on its unlikely much will change for the uk.

Business commentators are already talking about a lost decade for the eu, principally for the euro countries. Japan is still trying to release itself from this.

 

[trev]

Reckless spending from 2005 to 2010 was a major contributor to the subsequent recession.

Once again, the global recession?

Please see other concrete provable economic statistics |I've quoted. All provided by the office for national statistics for full details of Osborne's economic miracle.

If the tories have made over 2 million jobs since coming to power how come paye and ni receipts are falling?

If their welfare policies are fair how come the United Nations is investigating this country for human rights abuses specifically towards the disabled?

 

[Silly Sausage]

So because some of them are then all of them should be made to be victims of some sort of economic apartheid?
It's shaming people for something which might not be their fault! Suppose you get a Phones4U employee who has worked there since leaving school. He/she signs on because the networks pulled the plug and caused that company to collapse and then has to suffer some sort of stigma with people looking down on them because of their situation?
Lets just give them all yellow stars to wear on their clothes. It'll be a whole lot easier.
The idea is appalling.

WHOA steady boy, you must know I'm not one of Tel's right wing army!

Re my previous post, 1st part: joking but with elements of truth, I've been there.
2nd part, just give them the money.

There's an interesting article in The Telegraph about how Phones4U was trashed...

 

[trev]

WHOA steady boy, you must know I'm not one of Tel's right wing army!

Re my previous post, 1st part: joking but with elements of truth, I've been there.
2nd part, just give them the money.

There's an interesting article in The Telegraph about how Phones4U was trashed...

Sorry, I thought you'd been turned. However, my little rant there and the points I raised may discourage some from hailing this as a good idea

 

[Octopus]

Once again, the global recession?

Please see other concrete provable economic statistics |I've quoted. All provided by the office for national statistics for full details of Osborne's economic miracle.

If the tories have made over 2 million jobs since coming to power how come paye and ni receipts are falling?

If their welfare policies are fair how come the United Nations is investigating this country for human rights abuses specifically towards the disabled?

Says who?

"
Introduction
HMRC collected £489.9 billion in taxes in 2013-14. The table below shows the total percentage contribution of each
tax towards the total HMRC receipts per financial year.
Over the last decade IT, CGT & NICs (Income tax, Capital Gains Tax and National Insurance Contributions) have made up on average 55 per cent of total receipts. VAT (Value Added Tax) and Corporation Tax (CT) are the next biggest, contributing an average 19 per cent and 9 per cent of total receipts respectively.
The proportion for total IT, CGT & NIC receipts account for around 54 per cent of total receipts in 2013-14, the same as in the previous two years, which followed a peak in 2008-09 and 2009-10 of 58 per cent. VAT receipts peaked in 2011-12 at 21 percent and have remained at that level since. Receipts from the other taxes and duties shown have broadly remained steady over the last decade. "

FY2009 - FY2010 - £408 billion
FY2010 - FY2011 - £447 billion
FY2011 - FY2012 - £466 billion
FY2012 - FY2013 - £469 billiion
FY2013 - FY2014 - £489 billion

Which suggests to me that the total taxes paid including Tax and NI is actually increasing.

You will find all the data here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../file/355545/20140911_Augreceiptsbulletin.pdf

And as for your point about all the new jobs and taxes & NI, you being SE, like me, you will well understand that is somebody becomes SE during THIS financial year, their taxes won't be paid until near the end of the NEXT tax year, giving about a 10 month delay in receipt by HMRC.

I'd also venture to suggest that people & companies as a whole have held back with capital expenses such as tool, vans etc and the last couple of years will now be spending again - reducing tax takes in the short term as its all claimed back.

For "employed people" who could have recently found work, and yes theres quite a few of them, it takes time to pay down debts and get used to a salary again, BEFORE starting to spend again!

Tax credits - ah another "success" of Gordon Brown - over 500,000 people didn't renew their claims this year! Staggering number, and sure some will have missed the deadline BUT nobody in their right mind will update HMRC with the previous years ACTUAL income if they know that they will be asked to repay some, or all of a claim.

AND boy do I know about this, as I updated HMRC when our situation changed, during a tax year and we are now on a long term repayment plan! I should have kept quiet and simply not renewed.

I do expect next years Tax and NI receipts to be a further step in the right direction.

Complicated stuff this.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Sorry, I thought you'd been turned. However, my little rant there and the points I raised may discourage some from hailing this as a good idea

I get turned to the OFF position regularly, but never to the right

Can you get an overnight train from up there to Brum?

 

[trev]

I get turned to the OFF position regularly, but never to the right

Can you get an overnight train from up there to Brum?

Probably mate but it depends what you have in mind. I'm not that sort of bloke ye knaa

 

[trev]

That table doesn't read very well mate so I can't really comment on it's contents.

 

[Octopus]

That table doesn't read very well mate so I can't really comment on it's contents.

I've edited the post and included a link as the copy and paste was pants!

 

[Silly Sausage]

This is an interesting graphic, for all those that say we need to knock the scroungers on the head, to things into perspective... (2011)



UK welfare spending: how much does each benefit really cost? Visualised | News | theguardian.com

 

[Guest77]

Sounds like Cameron is now following new labour lol, that speech was a suprise, minimum wage rise, and 12,500 before paying tax, now lets discuss the bad bits? who wants to start?

 

[trev]

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[trev]

Sounds like Cameron is now following new labour lol, that speech was a suprise, minimum wage rise, and 12,500 before paying tax, now lets discuss the bad bits? who wants to start?

See posts 239 and 242 for starters Mike? I'll pick bits from the speech that I find objectionable later when I sort my website issues out.

 

[trev]

Well, the Institute of Fiscal Studies which is apparently well respected has said that only 15% of the gains from increasing the personal allowance will actually help the poor adding "There are better ways to help the low paid via the tax and benefit systems"
"Tom Papworth, associate director of economic policy at the liberal think-tank CentreForum said "Raising the threshold for the 40p rate cuts taxes for the richest people outside the top 10% of earners. It does nothing for middle earners. ""

 

[Guest111]

too little too late from cameron as far as I'm concerned,he's made a complete balls up so far as well as not delivering a lot of what he promised when they took over,now he's saying he'll do this that and the other if he gets voted in again.Now under the rules of voting lunatics are not allowed to vote,well if that pratt gets back in then there will be a lot of people who should be locked in a secure unit if you ask me.

 

[trev]

The tories always trot out the line that Labour borrow recklessly, labour bankrupt the economy, only we tories can be trusted to handle the economy properly.
Well, between 2004 and 2008 Labour borrowed £148.8 Billion, in 2008/9 (the year of the banking crisis which caused the global (oops sorry Labour's fault) recession) they borrowed £97.5 Billion.
Since being elected in 2010 the coalition has borrowed £600 Billion, this has raised the national debt from £0.62 Trillion to £1.26 Trillion today but Labour bankrupted our children's future eh?
Listening to the tories this week has been like living in the twilight zone, but we still see people defending the pack of *******s "Labour's mess, Labour destroyed the economy, Labour are always spending other people's money" and the old favourite which must be due about now "There's no magic money tree"
Well by the standards that they said they'd be happy to be judged on the coalition has been an unmitigated disaster. The deficit that they promised to eliminate within one parliament is now 3 times larger than it was when they took office. There are more people unemployed than when they took office but these figures are masked by the ones they have forced into slave labour, or have sanctioned, or have been pushed into meaningless training. There are more people homeless than when they took office but no one cares about that because homeless people don't get to vote or claim benefits so they don't count.
In the 7th largest economy in the world people are forced to use foodbanks just to survive. Before anyone says anything about that you cannot just bowl up at one and get a free bag of groceries any time you want. Yet we can still find the money for a good old bombing run.
Not many tory supporters seem to mind any of that stuff though. It astonishes me that none of you can see that.
It makes me want to vomit.

 

[Guest77]

The tories always trot out the line that Labour borrow recklessly, labour bankrupt the economy, only we tories can be trusted to handle the economy properly.
Well, between 2004 and 2008 Labour borrowed £148.8 Billion, in 2008/9 (the year of the banking crisis which caused the global (oops sorry Labour's fault) recession) they borrowed £97.5 Billion.
Since being elected in 2010 the coalition has borrowed £600 Billion, this has raised the national debt from £0.62 Trillion to £1.26 Trillion today but Labour bankrupted our children's future eh?
Listening to the tories this week has been like living in the twilight zone, but we still see people defending the pack of *******s "Labour's mess, Labour destroyed the economy, Labour are always spending other people's money" and the old favourite which must be due about now "There's no magic money tree"
Well by the standards that they said they'd be happy to be judged on the coalition has been an unmitigated disaster. The deficit that they promised to eliminate within one parliament is now 3 times larger than it was when they took office. There are more people unemployed than when they took office but these figures are masked by the ones they have forced into slave labour, or have sanctioned, or have been pushed into meaningless training. There are more people homeless than when they took office but no one cares about that because homeless people don't get to vote or claim benefits so they don't count.
In the 7th largest economy in the world people are forced to use foodbanks just to survive. Before anyone says anything about that you cannot just bowl up at one and get a free bag of groceries any time you want. Yet we can still find the money for a good old bombing run.
Not many tory supporters seem to mind any of that stuff though. It astonishes me that none of you can see that.
It makes me want to vomit.

5th Largest, otherwise I agree totally

 

[trev]

5th Largest, otherwise I agree totally

I thought it was US, China, Russia, Japan, Germany, France then good old blighty. I stand corrected

 

[Guest77]

I thought it was USA, China, Japan, Germany, UK, Russia then the French, I may be wrong, a google may be in order lol

 

[trev]

I think the point is still made though Mike even without google verification.

 

[Guest77]

Yup agreed, however we were both wrong but you were the closest lol

1.	United States	$15,940,000,000,000
2.	China	$12,610,000,000,000
3.	India	$4,761,000,000,000
4.	Japan	$4,704,000,000,000
5.	Germany	$3,250,000,000,000
6.	Russia	$2,555,000,000,000
7.	Brazil	$2,394,000,000,000
8.	United Kingdom	$2,375,000,000,000
9.	France	$2,291,000,000,000
10.	Italy	$1,863,000,000,000

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yup agreed, however we were both wrong but you were the closest lol

1.	United States	$15,940,000,000,000
2.	China	$12,610,000,000,000
3.	India	$4,761,000,000,000
4.	Japan	$4,704,000,000,000
5.	Germany	$3,250,000,000,000
6.	Russia	$2,555,000,000,000
7.	Brazil	$2,394,000,000,000
8.	United Kingdom	$2,375,000,000,000
9.	France	$2,291,000,000,000
10.	Italy	$1,863,000,000,000

Hiya Mark .....:seeya:

I hope yer not upsettin' Wor Lad mind. It take ages for me 'n' his Ma t' gerrim calmed doon agyen.

 

[trev]

Conservative Party conference: David Cameron accidentally says Tories 'resent' the poor - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
Ah, there are my feet. Now where did I put my gun? An embarrassing slip of the tongue by dear Mr Cameron.
Or was it his true opinion?

 

[Octopus]

Well, the Institute of Fiscal Studies which is apparently well respected has said that only 15% of the gains from increasing the personal allowance will actually help the poor adding "There are better ways to help the low paid via the tax and benefit systems"
"Tom Papworth, associate director of economic policy at the liberal think-tank CentreForum said "Raising the threshold for the 40p rate cuts taxes for the richest people outside the top 10% of earners. It does nothing for middle earners. ""

Interestingly I've just heard a discussion on the radio by a chap from the Guardian which almost exactly the opposite.

About 20 years ago, you had done REALLY well to break into the 40% bracket - but now its about £41K which catches so many people who are in very "normal" professions.

Raising the tax threshold to £12500 would take so many more people out of paying tax and raising the 40% to £50K is also very good news for earners from £41K to £50K

If my misses, who is a midwife, was working full time, she would be paying 40%. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Octopus]

Sounds like Cameron is now following new labour lol, that speech was a suprise, minimum wage rise, and 12,500 before paying tax, now lets discuss the bad bits? who wants to start?

Not heard ANY of directly yet so not in a position to contribute.

 

[Octopus]

Well, between 2004 and 2008 Labour borrowed £148.8 Billion, in 2008/9 (the year of the banking crisis which caused the global (oops sorry Labour's fault) recession) they borrowed £97.5 Billion.
Since being elected in 2010 the coalition has borrowed £600 Billion, this has raised the national debt from £0.62 Trillion to £1.26 Trillion today but Labour bankrupted our children's future eh?

For gods sake, give it a rest.

If Gordon Brown had won in 2010, the debt would have been the same or worse. Nothing Labour has said or planned to do would have changed ANYTHING.

Tax income would not have been sufficient to cover Government expenditure - that is the reality. Oh and before you go on about they (Labour) would have raised taxes, just look across the channel to France to see the disasterious effect that raising taxes has had on their economy.

The brutal truth, which people simply can't understand is that during the good times, running a deficit of 3% whilst having inflation of about 2% was always going to end in tears, then enter, stage left the recession, taxes fall massively, Government expenditure can never respond accordingly - if ANY Government tried cuts to balance the books immediately, the UK economy would have been in melt down, and I don't mean a 1% drop in GDP, the GDP would have dropped by 10-15% and believe me that would have been like the USA after the great crash of 1928.

Back to our childrens future, I suggest you do some comprehensive research into Public Sector Pension commitments, PFI costs over the next 30 years and the effect of the aging population on the NHS - none of this will make you feel any better.

 

[trev]

My whole point is to draw attention to the lies that the tories are telling and the fact that people are still swallowing the bullshine.
The tories are not good for the economy, the general population of the country, the public sector workers, the essential services etc etc.
They claim that the economy is safe in their hands yet have missed their own borrowing targets by ridiculous amounts. Any company's finance director would be out on his ear if he presided over that.
Teresa May banged on about new powers she desperately needs to combat extremism yet the law already allows her to ban organisations (al muhajiroun, muslims against crusades, sharia for the UK all are examples) the law exists to combat what is laughingly called hate speech so why does she need more powers? Why not just use the ones she has at her disposal but no, let's just sleepwalk into a police state. It must be bloody terrible living in the Scandanavian countries who don't have an expensive, white elephant nuclear deterrent. Imagine living with that constant threat of terrorist attack?

 

[Darkwood]

The tories always trot out the line that Labour borrow recklessly, labour bankrupt the economy, only we tories can be trusted to handle the economy properly.
Well, between 2004 and 2008 Labour borrowed £148.8 Billion, in 2008/9 (the year of the banking crisis which caused the global (oops sorry Labour's fault) recession) they borrowed £97.5 Billion.
Since being elected in 2010 the coalition has borrowed £600 Billion, this has raised the national debt from £0.62 Trillion to £1.26 Trillion today but Labour bankrupted our children's future eh?
Listening to the tories this week has been like living in the twilight zone, but we still see people defending the pack of *******s "Labour's mess, Labour destroyed the economy, Labour are always spending other people's money" and the old favourite which must be due about now "There's no magic money tree"
Well by the standards that they said they'd be happy to be judged on the coalition has been an unmitigated disaster. The deficit that they promised to eliminate within one parliament is now 3 times larger than it was when they took office. There are more people unemployed than when they took office but these figures are masked by the ones they have forced into slave labour, or have sanctioned, or have been pushed into meaningless training. There are more people homeless than when they took office but no one cares about that because homeless people don't get to vote or claim benefits so they don't count.
In the 7th largest economy in the world people are forced to use foodbanks just to survive. Before anyone says anything about that you cannot just bowl up at one and get a free bag of groceries any time you want. Yet we can still find the money for a good old bombing run.
Not many tory supporters seem to mind any of that stuff though. It astonishes me that none of you can see that.
It makes me want to vomit.

Ill respond not from any political gender but the figures above are missing vital info...

-Labour's proposed spending over the same period was calculated to be greater according to their own policies and commitments.
-Conservative figures have a crucial factor that hasn't been accounted for - the 10 - billion a month interest on the debt that is included in that figure (for propaganda measures i assume).
-What is not mentioned is the last goverment left the biggest debt in peacetime history and the main reason we see the the large spending spree is to try dampen down the recession that they or any other government would have had to deal with.


Any spending and debt levels are heavily influenced by a previous government when their is a change of party for the first 3 -4 yrs as was the same when Blair entered the scene after Major, and as the present government entered when labour had left nothing in the pot, a massive debt and raided pension pots and gold reserves their is really only one way to point the finger here.

Articles that bring this comparison of Osbornes spending in comparison to Labours whole term are deliberatetly leaving crucial financial data out and have a heavy biased political agenda - I don't suppose you know the author of your source material; I have a incline they are left wing.

EDIT ... nearly forgot Chancellor Darling balanced the sheets of RBS-Nat West and LLOYDS / HALIFAX - BANK OF SCOTLAND which immediately added 300billion to the debt, a point not refered to at all.

The finger is really at labours door IMHO as they had a heavy influence of the cause of the banking crisis due to their lack of oversight or failure to implement any regulation even after Brown rescued an American bank with our gold for the exact same reasons of an unregulated banking system... I struggle to see why people believe these articles without researching first, misleading is an under-estimate.

 

[trev]

A lot of that is my own feelings Darkwood, it'll come as no surprise to you that I am indeed a socialist.
The figures quoted are all in the public domain mate, a lot of them have been pulled from the Office for National Statistics, some have even come from right wing organisations.

"-Conservative figures have a crucial factor that hasn't been accounted for - the 10 - billion a month interest on the debt that is included in that figure (for propaganda measures i assume)." Are you saying that that amount of money has not been considered in the sums or that Osborne is misrepresenting the facts? Either way it is yet more evidence that Osborne is unfit for purpose.

I also dispute that the last administration left the largest debt in peacetime history. If it was true then it has surely been outdone by the current one.

 

[telectrix]

at last, an unbiased post.

 

[Octopus]

My whole point is to draw attention to the lies that the tories are telling and the fact that people are still swallowing the bullshine.
The tories are not good for the economy, the general population of the country, the public sector workers, the essential services etc etc.
They claim that the economy is safe in their hands yet have missed their own borrowing targets by ridiculous amounts. Any company's finance director would be out on his ear if he presided over that.
Teresa May banged on about new powers she desperately needs to combat extremism yet the law already allows her to ban organisations (al muhajiroun, muslims against crusades, sharia for the UK all are examples) the law exists to combat what is laughingly called hate speech so why does she need more powers? Why not just use the ones she has at her disposal but no, let's just sleepwalk into a police state. It must be bloody terrible living in the Scandanavian countries who don't have an expensive, white elephant nuclear deterrent. Imagine living with that constant threat of terrorist attack?

The UK economy is not safe in ANY Politicians hands, of any colour, be that Blue, Red, Green, Yellow

 

[trev]

The UK economy is not safe in ANY Politicians hands, of any colour, be that Blue, Red, Green, Yellow

Does that not make you angry though?

 

[Octopus]

Does that not make you angry though?

Not really, I'm a realist.

Voting for a different party ain't going to change much, they all make promises they can't keep, they all make U turns, make "pledges" not promises.

I could go on but won't.

The reality is that the "main" parties are so similar, its difficult to see any difference between them....

 

[Darkwood]

A lot of that is my own feelings Darkwood, it'll come as no surprise to you that I am indeed a socialist.
The figures quoted are all in the public domain mate, a lot of them have been pulled from the Office for National Statistics, some have even come from right wing organisations.

"-Conservative figures have a crucial factor that hasn't been accounted for - the 10 - billion a month interest on the debt that is included in that figure (for propaganda measures i assume)." Are you saying that that amount of money has not been considered in the sums or that Osborne is misrepresenting the facts? Either way it is yet more evidence that Osborne is unfit for purpose.

I also dispute that the last administration left the largest debt in peacetime history. If it was true then it has surely been outdone by the current one.

It all depends on your source and if you know what your looking for - check my edit - the 300billion that was not really something that should be reflected in the Labour/ Conservative comparison but it was, if you break down the spending that you use to critisize the government you quickly find big chunks of it are not really admissible for this comparison + big chunks of relevent info is missing regarding the Labours figures.

 

[Diddy]

Ah well at least Cameron told us what we already suspected today -
[h=1]Conservative Party conference: David Cameron accidentally says Tories 'resent' the poor[/h]
Conservative Party conference: David Cameron accidentally says Tories 'resent' the poor - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Pure gold...couldn't make it up really.

 

[Guest77]

Cameron is fighting for his life, half his party are ready to jump ship to the UKIP party and he will say anything to survive, whether he delivers is a different matter, since the early 20th century the Tories give nothing away and labour then has to modernise a britain which is collapsing, then the tories get in saying too much money has been spent and they stop all spending again. Then Labour spends again to stop poverty and to modernise britain, then the tories cut all spending again, a circle which will never end.

Forget all that and think about this, we are the 8th richest country out of 190 odd on the planet, yet 300,000 of our people use food banks and the millionaires get huge tax cuts, we have the worse cancer survival rate in the west and the least Doctors and nurses yet our private hospitals amoungst the best in the world. We have a police force which is not held to account when people are shot in the street yet imprison people for minor crimes and let hard criminals go free for no proper reasoning. The whole of our legal system stinks as do our general manufacturing policies, what manufacturing? exactly, nothing is left, and we have sold everything off cheaply to millionaire companies who then lay off staff and sell whats left at a heafty profit, the post office now only pick up mail and do delivers until 3 in the afternoon, the railways are a shambles yet we are going to build another line we do not need, regardless of what party you support they are all ----ers, the poor are getting poorer, the rich richer and the pound in our pocket worth 2 quids worth of monopoly money, to finish racism is thriving and no-one wants to admit it, come to live in Great Britain lmao.

 

[Guest77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU#t=19

 

[Octopus]

Milliband is fighting for his life, .

I've corrected that for you.

Clueless, nieve, hopeless & weak - and thats before we look at his politics!

 

[Diddy]

I've corrected that for you.

Clueless, nieve, hopeless & weak - and that's before we look at his politics!

You could easily say that about Milliband, Cameron AND Clegg. I doubt any of them will be in office after their current tenure is over. In fact the Tories have already lined up that lovable idiot that is Boris Johnston....a buffoon of the highest order...who behind the bumbling front is as cunning as a fox and his visions are in the same mould as Thatcher.....Im sure that will please some of you Tory boys though.

 

[trev]

No matter who takes the keys to Number 10 next year the knives are out for the rest of them. Nick Clegg must realise he is on borrowed time as must all the other senior Lib Dems, their complicity in the tory plans has damned them to a long time in the political wilderness and their membership will hold them responsible.
Cameron and Milliband will take the blame from their parties if they lose and will be consigned to the back benches for a very long time.
There's no loyalty when it comes to politics

 

[Octopus]

You could easily say that about Milliband, Cameron AND Clegg. I doubt any of them will be in office after their current tenure is over. In fact the Tories have already lined up that lovable idiot that is Boris Johnston....a buffoon of the highest order...who behind the bumbling front is as cunning as a fox and his visions are in the same mould as Thatcher.....Im sure that will please some of you Tory boys though.

Heaven help us all if he wants to become PM.

 

[dingledong]

He didn't want to be an mp so he was saying

 

[trev]

Heaven help us all if he wants to become PM.

I strongly suspect he does want to be PM, sadly a lot of people won't see through the loveable buffoon front to the Thatcherite lurking beneath the surface.

 

[Silly Sausage]

This is why Tel (with his hatred of metric) loves the Tories so much...

David Cameron: schools should teach mainly in imperial measurements | Politics | theguardian.com

:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

[Guest77]

well he is a bumbling idiot so he may become a tory leader and a primeminister.

 

[Octopus]

well he is a bumbling idiot so he may become a tory leader and a primeminister.

You can't call Tel that. lol