JIB Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) Jib card Ecs gold

[Tankie123]

Hi

I'm new to the forum I want to apply for a jib gold card just wondering if I would qualify with the below quals or do I need more?

236 part 1 electrical installation 1996

am1 achievement measurement

NVQ 3 2356

2391 testing

17th edition

have done the ecs health and safety exam

just winding if I would need to go back to college

thanks

 

[uksparks]

I'd probably say yes you would get a gold card.

 

[Simonslimline]

Was the 236 not part 1 and part 2?

 

[Tankie123]

Was the 236 not part 1 and part 2?

i didn't do part 2 as I was a multi-trade for a maint company so went on to do part 1 plumbing! Would it make a difference then?

 

[Simonslimline]

i didn't do part 2 as I was a multi-trade for a maint company so went on to do part 1 plumbing! Would it make a difference then?

Not to sure. I am pretty sure you need a technical certificate at level 3 for proper grading though.

 

[LankyWill]

you need Am2

 

[R G]

I think there was time up to the 90s when it was possible , If I were you I would give them a ring as that is what I did back in the 80s , the company I worked for then was not a JIB company so thats what I did and applied of my own back and then took the 2391 later and got the JIB approved Gold card , just ring them they will tell you ....

 

[Risteard]

Not to sure. I am pretty sure you need a technical certificate at level 3 for proper grading though.

That is as part of the NVQ though, but he claims that he has the 2356 NVQ.

 

[Risteard]

you need Am2

As part of the NVQ, which he says he has. Therefore there isn't a separate need for it if he has achieved the NVQ without it.

 

[Leesparkykent]

you need Am2

He won't need it Will. As Long as he has the NVQ3 and 2382 he will get a gold card with either maintenance electrician or installation electrician, depending which NVQ3 he did. The AM2 is now mandatory as part of the newish 2357 NVQ but wasn't as part of the 2356.

 

[Tankie123]

He won't need it Will. As Long as he has the NVQ3 and 2382 he will get a gold card with either maintenance electrician or installation electrician, depending which NVQ3 he did. The AM2 is now mandatory as part of the newish 2357 NVQ but wasn't as part of the 2356.

thanks for all the replays so just to clarify not having the part 2 236 won't matter?

 

[LankyWill]

He won't need it Will. As Long as he has the NVQ3 and 2382 he will get a gold card with either maintenance electrician or installation electrician, depending which NVQ3 he did. The AM2 is now mandatory as part of the newish 2357 NVQ but wasn't as part of the 2356.

You old timers know everything

 

[Richo77]

I thought you would of had to have 236 part 2 before doing the NVQ 3. I would say you need the 236 part 2 and NVQ 3 to be graded.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I thought you would of had to have 236 part 2 before doing the NVQ 3. I would say you need the 236 part 2 and NVQ 3 to be graded.

Some nvq training providers offered the underpinning knowledge as part of the nvq. All the jib really care about is the nvq .

 

[Richo77]

Oh I see, Electrical quals seem so complicated. Why can't there be one set way of getting qualified. Maybe it is better now with the 2357. But it's been a shambles the last 20 years. I've lost count of the number of courses and course numbers!!

 

[Tankie123]

Thanks I can't get my head round it all when we did part 1 they told us we were qualified and I've heard some say that the 2391 replaces the old B cert I did the nvq 3 as the company paid for it I did have to resit a theory exam I will submit everything to the JIB and see what happens it's just that on certain sites we are getting asked for it especially government ones

 

[wayneob]

Basically a tech cert now in the eyes of the JIB ain't worth the paper it's written on! I did the 236 pt 1&2 and to be honest they were only interested in the NVQ3 pretty much told me I didn't need to send it in!! So as long as you have you NVQ you'll be fine mate you'll get approved! Easy now a days ain't it

 

[TJ Anderson]

It is because them NVQ3 requires underpinning knowledge and a site diary. That is why the JIB like it, they don't have to check anymore than that. You can still utilise your old tech certs as underpinning knowledge.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Basically a tech cert now in the eyes of the JIB ain't worth the paper it's written on! I did the 236 pt 1&2 and to be honest they were only interested in the NVQ3 pretty much told me I didn't need to send it in!! So as long as you have you NVQ you'll be fine mate you'll get approved! Easy now a days ain't it

Its because the jib know that you have the underpinning knowledge....you would have to show your tech certs to enrole on the nvq or would have to do the underpinning knowledge as part of the nvq.

Edit: Didn't see TJ Andersons post above when replying

 

[7029 dave]

Well TBH , if the JIB won't except the good old 236 C&G AB&C, to get their gold card, I would say stick it up your jacks, bloody outrageous.!!!

 

[7029 dave]

It is because them NVQ3 requires underpinning knowledge and a site diary. That is why the JIB like it, they don't have to check anymore than that. You can still utilise your old tech certs as underpinning knowledge.

Anybody can take an picture and say, yeah look what I have done, nonsense utterly.

 

[wayneob]

I agree Dave but it's not about knowledge these days it's about what you can do! I suppose the jib have got it right in some ways by saying that the NVQ proves competence it was 20 odd yrs ago when I was at college and can't remember a lot!

 

[7029 dave]

That's my point it should be what you can do, and some onsite log with photographs that anybody could may have done don't prove diddly.Now you talk about college, when I done the 236 it was 50% practical as well as Electrical theory, that tide in with the other 4days a week on site, was the way and don't forget when it was time to sit the written exam, if you fail your practical course work it was deferred full stop.That IMO was a very full prove way of demonstrating competence.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Anybody can take an picture and say, yeah look what I have done, nonsense utterly.

Yeah but the point TJ Anderson is making is that they accept the nvq as your underpinning knowledge has already been proved as you have to have your tech certs to enrole on the nvq or would have to do the extended nvq which would include the underpinning knowledge....you wouldn't need the nvq as you done the 236 A,B and C which was before the nvq was brought in. I don't think the nvq was introduced untill 1999. I personaly think having the jib is good thing as they don't budge on what's required to be classed as an electrician and certainly won't entertain no micky mouse Electrical Trainee qualifications.

 

[wayneob]

Yeah but the point TJ Anderson is making is that they accept the nvq as your underpinning knowledge has already been proved as you have to have your tech certs to enrole on the nvq or would have to do the extended nvq which would include the underpinning knowledge....you wouldn't need the nvq as you done the 236 A,B and C which was before the nvq was brought in. I don't think the nvq was introduced untill 1999. I personaly think having the jib is good thing as they don't budge on what's required to be classed as an electrician and certainly won't entertain no micky mouse Electrical Trainee
qualifications.

couldnt agree more been with the jib on and off since I was an apprentice and to be honest the last 2 sites I have been on and the one I'm on now won't even let you near it without a gold card so it's definitely the way to go these days for anyone entering the trade!

 

[7029 dave]

Yeah but the point TJ Anderson is making is that they accept the nvq as your underpinning knowledge has already been proved as you have to have your tech certs to enrole on the nvq or would have to do the extended nvq which would include the underpinning knowledge....you wouldn't need the nvq as you done the 236 A,B and C which was before the nvq was brought in. I don't think the nvq was introduced untill 1999. I personaly think having the jib is good thing as they don't budge on what's required to be classed as an electrician and certainly won't entertain no micky mouse Electrical Trainee qualifications.

I have read posts on here with guys having the C&G 236 abc, an still only getting an JIB labourer's card.? Not understanding this, That core qualification was- is an bloody good standard,anyway just gone onto the JIB website to look for myself, and the way I am reading it, with the older quals you will be graded, with gold card one off,but it will only run for 18months, after that NVQ required, otherwise you will graded as an labourer.

 

[wayneob]

I have read posts on here with guys having the C&G 236 abc, an still only getting an JIB labourer's card.? Not understanding this, That core qualification was- is an bloody good standard,anyway just gone onto the JIB website to look for myself, and the way I am reading it, with the older quals you will be graded, with gold card one off,but it will only run for 18months, after that NVQ required, otherwise you will graded as an labourer.

yes hence the reason I did the NVQ as I didn't want it to come back and bite me later down the line and it clearly states that a tech cert alone does not meet the requirements of the NVQ it's very confusing the way I understood it if you have the NVQ in place then you are fine regardless of weither you have a seperate tech cert or not!

 

[Leesparkykent]

I have read posts on here with guys having the C&G 236 abc, an still only getting an JIB labourer's card.? Not understanding this, That core qualification was- is an bloody good standard,anyway just gone onto the JIB website to look for myself, and the way I am reading it, with the older quals you will be graded, with gold card one off,but it will only run for 18months, after that NVQ required, otherwise you will graded as an labourer.

If you look at the ecscard website It says that if you qualified before 1994 then a copy of your final apprenticeship deeds or apprenticeship completion certificate is needed along with a current H&S certificate or recognised H&S qualification and a formal BS7671 qualification in the current addition of the wiring regs.

Any one who has provided the above with their application would be eligible for a installation electricians gold card. If they haven't been graded as such then they either haven't provided the correct information, filled the application in wrong or the JIB have made a mistake.

A close friend of mine completed his apprenticeship in 1989. Recently he sent of his application and got sent an adult trainees card lol....anyway phoned the JIB they confirmed it was a mistake and within a week was sent his gold card.

 

[Andy78]

yes hence the reason I did the NVQ as I didn't want it to come back and bite me later down the line and it clearly states that a tech cert alone does not meet the requirements of the NVQ it's very confusing the way I understood it if you have the NVQ in place then you are fine regardless of weither you have a seperate tech cert or not!

The NVQ3 is your site diary evidence (practical competence) plus your tech cert. You can't complete the NVQ3 without the separate tech cert.
I did the qualifications separately, but they bundle all into one course nowadays.

This is how I understand the great big mess of qualifications anyway, lol. I may be wrong

 

[wayneob]

The NVQ3 is your site diary evidence (practical competence) plus your tech cert. You can't complete the NVQ3 without the separate tech cert.
I did the qualifications separately, but they bundle all into one course nowadays.

This is how I understand the great big mess of qualifications anyway, lol. I may be wrong

I see what your saying but from what leesparkykent is saying is that you can acheive the NVQ by covering the underpinning knowledge once enrolled in the NVQ I think??the older NVQ 2356 that is??

 

[R G]

I have read posts on here with guys having the C&G 236 abc, an still only getting an JIB labourer's card.? Not understanding this, That core qualification was- is an bloody good standard,anyway just gone onto the JIB website to look for myself, and the way I am reading it, with the older quals you will be graded, with gold card one off,but it will only run for 18months, after that NVQ required, otherwise you will graded as an labourer.

Thats what I had as well Dave , the 236 parts 1 & 2 (A+B), didn't take the C course though but wish I had , and got an initial JIB card as Electrician later in 2002 I took 2391 and got the card upgraded to Approved Electrician Gold card , I too heard that a time limit was in place when this could be done thats why I had to do the 2391 fairly quick , I don't know what applies today though if you go the same route with older qualifications and want a JIB card now

 

[Leesparkykent]

I see what your saying but from what leesparkykent is saying is that you can acheive the NVQ by covering the underpinning knowledge once enrolled in the NVQ I think??the older NVQ 2356 that is??

Yes that's correct but obviously you wouldn't complete the NVQ untill the the underpining knowledge part was also complete. Now its all enrolled in to one qualification for apprentices..nvq2357 level 3 which basically includes the underpinning knowledge (like part 1 part 2),AM2 and portfolio.

 

[Richo77]

NVQ was brought in the year I started my apprenticeship. Sept 94. There was total confusion at the college I attended. We did the c and g 236 1 and 2. Also we did AM1 and AM2. All the boys in my class left college with these quals however no one passed the NVQ. It took about 3 years to get the log books drawn up and handed to us. By that time we had gone through college and left. Some people said we needed the NVQ some said we didn't. I thought sod it, I left now and as far as I was concerned I had the same quals as the guys I was working with. My cousin who passed out as an electrician in 1993 had the same quals as me. We both sent off for a JIB card. He got one and they said I could have a labourers card, because after 1994 I should have an NVQ. They even put NVQ 3 on my cousins card!!! Even tho he hadn't done it. Loads of young boys must have been in the same boat as me around 1997. Since then I bit the bullet paid £550 to XS training and gained my NVQ and JIB card. I looked a bit of a knob going around and asking apprentices and other workmates to take photos of me next to work I had installed!! Apprentices were saying how come your telling me what to do if your not even qualified!! Haha. It was embarrassing

 

[R G]

I know there was a lot of confusion around that time because an apprentice I had with me had all sorts of problems , he did a distance learning apprenticeship too and a JTL type thing as well ...

It seems to me they have confused thing too much now...

 

[TJ Anderson]

I see what your saying but from what leesparkykent is saying is that you can acheive the NVQ by covering the underpinning knowledge once enrolled in the NVQ I think??the older NVQ 2356 that is??

My 2330 and apprenticeship was cut short after fighting with my mentor and taking the van back to the yard leaving him stranded lol. I did 2356 without a tech cert and did extra units. 2356, 17th and 2391 is all I sent to JIB. I have a JIB Approved grade card.

 

[wayneob]

My 2330 and apprenticeship was cut short after fighting with my mentor and taking the van back to the yard leaving him stranded lol. I did 2356 without a tech cert and did extra units. 2356, 17th and 2391 is all I sent to JIB. I have a JIB Approved grade card.

it does seem now that's all they want but the NVQ is now the bent mark

 

[Englishman]

Said many times on here that I still don't have it. My apprenticeship was a bit unofficial, and I paid most of it myself, as a result I never enrolled to do the nvq due to money. The qualification now needed is the 2357 which as far as I'm aware, blends the new 2330 into it but if you have the 2330, you can do a bridging unit which takes you straight to the NVQ part. It does grate me that we're virtually ungraded in the eyes of the JIB until we've taken a few pictures and done the AM2, but I assume I'll be glad when I've done it and got my approved gold card.

Thing is as well, nobody outside the trade seems to know anything about the JIB, and I think it would help if the general public knew that it was a better indicator of competency than a domestic installer registration.

 

[7029 dave]

Said many times on here that I still don't have it. My apprenticeship was a bit unofficial, and I paid most of it myself, as a result I never enrolled to do the nvq due to money. The qualification now needed is the 2357 which as far as I'm aware, blends the new 2330 into it but if you have the 2330, you can do a bridging unit which takes you straight to the NVQ part. It does grate me that we're virtually ungraded in the eyes of the JIB until we've taken a few pictures and done the AM2, but I assume I'll be glad when I've done it and got my approved gold card.

Thing is as well, nobody outside the trade seems to know anything about the JIB, and I think it would help if the general public knew that it was a better indicator of competency than a domestic installer registration.

IMO if you are working on new site builds then yes go for it, otherwise why bother.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Said many times on here that I still don't have it. My apprenticeship was a bit unofficial, and I paid most of it myself, as a result I never enrolled to do the nvq due to money. The qualification now needed is the 2357 which as far as I'm aware, blends the new 2330 into it but if you have the 2330, you can do a bridging unit which takes you straight to the NVQ part. It does grate me that we're virtually ungraded in the eyes of the JIB until we've taken a few pictures and done the AM2, but I assume I'll be glad when I've done it and got my approved gold card.

Thing is as well, nobody outside the trade seems to know anything about the JIB, and I think it would help if the general public knew that it was a better indicator of competency than a domestic installer registration.

You could do the jib mature candidate assessment.

 

[wayneob]

I think it's a case of just bite the bullet and do the NVQ as for the AM2 I did the AM1 and to be honest looking at what's involved in the AM2 these days it's pretty much the old AM1!!

 

[northstar]

You could do the jib mature candidate assessment.

Lee what does that involve ? thanks

 

[wayneob]

Lee what does that involve ? thanks

go on quickstep electrical website it's all on there I've advised my mate to do it

 

[Leesparkykent]

Lee what does that involve ? thanks

It's basically the 2356 with the AM2 on top. In Englishmans case it would be ideal as wouldn't have to do the bridging units.