napit

[cagedanimal2010]

hey guys,
what are napit like to work with, just deciding weather to go, napit or elecsa??
cheers guys

 

[jmtisme]

just been through my assesment guy was very good. Was with select before and I find NAPIT easier to work with.

 

[cagedanimal2010]

cheers, whats the price to join napit?

 

[Voltimax]

Your soul..........................................

 

[cagedanimal2010]

go on voltimax..............

 

[Voltimax]

go on voltimax..............

Go on what? It was a joke. Napit are fine to work with, I myself am a Napit member. Very helpful they are

 

[cagedanimal2010]

ah sweet, sounds like it mite be a go'er then, whats the assesement like?

 

[Voltimax]

Just like any other, I've been assessed by both NICEIC and Napit, if you know your beans there's nothing to worry about. They're there to help you, not hinder you. One thing to bear in mind though, Napit require you to have 2391 or their equivalent (NA2391). You can still register without it, but I think you have a year to gain it, that is of course if you don't already have it

 

[ezzzekiel]

agee with volt been with both nic and now napit - to be honest theyre all the same, once you paid you never hear from them again

 

[roukel01]

just to add my 10 pence worth, I've been with elecsa for 3 years, they're good too. Tech line is very helpful, assesments (provided you are organised) go as smooth as silk.

 

[Mark2009]

Hi
Problem is no one wants to no napit, good contracts always go for NIC electricians been with napit one year and zero jobs, signed up for this year with napit wish I had not now looking to move to NIC

Best Regards

Mark

 

[IQ Electrical]

Hi
Problem is no one wants to no napit, good contracts always go for NIC electricians been with napit one year and zero jobs

Hi Mark, what do you mean by that?
I assume you mean you've lost certain jobs by not being NICEIC?
Simply joining a scheme provider will not make your phone ring.

 

[Mark2009]

Hi
If you knock on doors ie orbit housing one name to say, they will not work with NAPIT and 90% of all companies are the same i have been told get NIC REG and we can work together.

You cannot rely on just private houses to earn money today Napit might be easy to work with but how much money to Napit electricians earn each week compared to an NIC reg guy.

In my area people don't want to pay everything thing so cheap you have to tell them to P... O..


Thanks

Mark

 

[IQ Electrical]

It is, quite rightly, the clients decision to stipulate criteria for contractor selection.
The problem is, the NICEIC is the most well-known scheme.

In those situations, you should inform NAPIT and they will speak to the client, explaining the wider alternatives of scheme providers.

If you don't, things will never change and the NICEIC end up controlling more than they already do.

Has anyone had any luck with a scheme provider 'educating' a potential client? Let us know if you have!

 

[roukel01]

Yes I have. An insurance company wanted a PIR doing on an industrial unit that we maintain. Carried out a full inspection and test and issued the PIR. Insurance company rejected it because they wanted an NICEIC certificate. It took a bit of doing, ELECSA got involved and I had to fax my 2391 etc etc to the insurance company also the section in the regs where it says "a competant person should carry out Inspection and Testing" but eventually they were OK with it, and they had no problems in us carrying out work for them in the future!

 

[mad frankie]

what do you mean by you never hear from them again.
your assessed arent you?

 

[rs250250]

Only recently joined full scope on Napit. They have been very helpful and easy to deal with
Assessor was top guy, really friendly.

 

[mad frankie]

Only recently joined full scope on Napit. They have been very helpful and easy to deal with
Assessor was top guy, really friendly.

250 250 thats the picture i was going to post as my moniker just as well i didnt as you were a member be fore me
oh well ill find another.

 

[rs250250]

with a name like "mad" frankie you have earnt the right to use it

 

[wade88]

Hi lads,

I actually Rang NAPIT today to arrnage my first assessment as im brand shiny new to this electrician business as i only qualified about 3 weeks ago with:

City & Guilds (2382) – 17th Edition IEE Wiring Regulations (Level 3)

Logic Full Scope Electrical Part P Scheme

City & Guilds (2392) Certificate in Fundamental Inspection and Testing and Initial Verification

Logic Certification Domestic Periodic Inspection and Testing Award

these qulifications, so ill soon find out who useful they all prove to be!

However, NAPIT told me for the first year the cost inc. VAT is £564 or thereabouts and that will then drop subsequently in later years to 390 plus VAT so about 460 each year thereafter. Which i belive is about on par with ELECSA and dramatically cheaper then NICEIC who I have heard nothing but bad things about.

Any advice on getting on my feet would be hugely apprecaited guys!

Ta​

 

[wade88]

Hi lads,

I actually Rang NAPIT today to arrnage my first assessment as im brand shiny new to this electrician business as i only qualified about 3 weeks ago with:

City & Guilds (2382) – 17th Edition IEE Wiring Regulations (Level 3)

Logic Full Scope Electrical Part P Scheme

City & Guilds (2392) Certificate in Fundamental Inspection and Testing and Initial Verification

Logic Certification Domestic Periodic Inspection and Testing Award

these qulifications, so ill soon find out who useful they all prove to be!

However, NAPIT told me for the first year the cost inc. VAT is £564 or thereabouts and that will then drop subsequently in later years to 390 plus VAT so about 460 each year thereafter. Which i belive is about on par with ELECSA and dramatically cheaper then NICEIC who I have heard nothing but bad things about.

Any advice on getting on my feet would be hugely apprecaited guys!

Ta​

 

[Voltimax]

Did they also tell you that you'll need to gain City and Guilds 2391 within a year of joining?

 

[wade88]

They didnt! Well i think that has put me back in Elecsa's direction then as i dont feel ill be ready to pass my 2391 so soon. I was planning on doing it within my first year but will have to see how i get on and certainly dont want to be pressured into doing it. have you passed your 2391?

 

[Voltimax]

Yes I have, some time ago.

 

[hillbillie]

I am with Napit and I was also asked to pass 2391 in a year. I am happy to do this (I know the pass rate is low but if you study hard, well before if you do a 4 day consecutive day course, you'll be ok...or retake if you mess up) I am always happy for a bit more cpd every now and again.

My assessor is really helpful, I have his mobile number and always get a reply after leaving a query on his answerphone.

I am currently doing a PIR on a warehouse, which was a factory in 1965 when the electrics were first put in, there are over 20 three phase boards around the place, with next to no circuit identification, it will take me ages. When I first spoke to the director of the company that hired me he asked me if I was in NICEIC, I said no, I'm with NAPIT who are also a governing body etc etc, he rang the insurance company up (that want him to get the PIR) and they were fine with it. When I first met him face to face he asked: you're with NAPIT are you? as if the insurance company did require the inspecting electrician to be with one of the approved bodies

 

[Mark2009]

Hi
Well i am with Napit and have never been asked to do the 2391.

Thanks

Mark

 

[Mark2009]

Hi
Just looked at napit join form it does not say anywhere you have to have the 2391

http://www.napit.org.uk/downloads/CP_Electrical_Scheme.pdf

 

[RexT]

Hi Guys,

I joined NAPIT and am now in the second year. I found that they have been very helpful and easy to talk to. You have always a choice and its really up to you who you go with.
I have alsohad some close dealings with the NICEIC and they too have been very good. I think you will always find someone who has had some issues with no matter who and I guess it really is probably a bit area dependent. The comment about the public mentioned earlier is probably true in that they tend to recognise the NEICIc better but in reality your own advertising will hopefully include lots of word of mouth and referrals.
Best wishes and good luck to all,
Rex

 

[mad frankie]

I am with Napit and I was also asked to pass 2391 in a year. I am happy to do this (I know the pass rate is low but if you study hard, well before if you do a 4 day consecutive day course, you'll be ok...or retake if you mess up) I am always happy for a bit more cpd every now and again.

My assessor is really helpful, I have his mobile number and always get a reply after leaving a query on his answerphone.

I am currently doing a PIR on a warehouse, which was a factory in 1965 when the electrics were first put in, there are over 20 three phase boards around the place, with next to no circuit identification, it will take me ages. When I first spoke to the director of the company that hired me he asked me if I was in NICEIC, I said no, I'm with NAPIT who are also a governing body etc etc, he rang the insurance company up (that want him to get the PIR) and they were fine with it. When I first met him face to face he asked: you're with NAPIT are you? as if the insurance company did require the inspecting electrician to be with one of the approved bodies

re 2391 is it a c&g course or napits own course. theres a big difference.

 

[malcolmsanford]

the 2391-10 and 2391-20 are both City and Guild courses

 

[hillbillie]

re 2391 is it a c&g course or napits own course. theres a big difference.

Napit are happy with either, though no one else recognises their qualification. I will be doing the city and guilds 2391.

 

[mad frankie]

the 2391-10 and 2391-20 are both City and Guild courses

NAPIT DO THEIR OWN 2391 which is not a c&g
i have 2391-10 and 2391-20 c&g

 

[malcolmsanford]

NAPIT DO THEIR OWN 2391 which is not a c&g
i have 2391-10 and 2391-20 c&g

Is it actually called "2391" the same as the City and Guilds course?

 

[IQ Electrical]

Is it actually called "2391" the same as the City and Guilds course?

If it is, it's a disgrace, NAPIT started out with the best intentions of all the schemes but watered it down pretty quickly!

 

[malcolmsanford]

If it is, it's a disgrace, NAPIT started out with the best intentions of all the schemes but watered it down pretty quickly!

That is where I was going, if they have called it "2391" then it is a disgrace

 

[mad frankie]

NAPIT do NA2391

 

[IQ Electrical]

NAPIT do NA2391

Yes but it's open-book and devalues the qualification!

 

[mad frankie]

Yes but it's open-book and devalues the qualification!

i know that and you know that hence my post originally. mind you theres not a lot of people who would know every reg my point is/was that the napit exam is not a c&g its easier. which as stated earlier i hold.the C&G that is
i dont see much wrong in having the regs with you at the exam you still have to look in the right place to get the right answer after all it is a reference book.

 

[IQ Electrical]

2382 checks if you can read, 2391 checks if you understand it.

 

[mad frankie]

2382 checks if you can read, 2391 checks if you understand it.

thats rubbish. theres enough questions in the 2391 to see if you know what your doing. nobody can be expected remeber every reg.

 

[IQ Electrical]

thats rubbish. theres enough questions in the 2391 to see if you know what your doing. nobody can be expected remeber every reg.

I normally try not to post rubbish here.

Maybe NAPIT made their imitation 2391 open-book to increase standards?

Maybe they made it open-book to help them out of a sticky situation whereby they demanded this qualification as part of their scheme criteria but found pass rates would have affected membership numbers?

Spot the rubbish!

 

[mad frankie]

open book doesent make any difference to the c&g 2391.
but i agree that they probably brought their own na2391 in so people could qualify for napit registration. not sure if its a requirement any more.
their still better than the rest in my opinion.

 

[hillbillie]

I imagine Napit brought out their own 2391 to encourage people to stay with them rather than join NICEIC after a year.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Think like me IQ was worried about the use of the "2391" tag. It does cheekily make you think that it is equvilent to the City and Guilds version, and ASAIK it isn't

 

[mad frankie]

Think like me IQ was worried about the use of the "2391" tag. It does cheekily make you think that it is equvilent to the City and Guilds version, and ASAIK it isn't

i know all this why do you think i put the post up. it was to inform the postee that it wasnt a C&G NEITHER YOU OR IQ WERE AWARE OF THIS UNTIL I POSTED

 

[mad frankie]

I imagine Napit brought out their own 2391 to encourage people to stay with them rather than join NICEIC after a year.

i suppose a lot of people take that route as a way of getting into niceic i personally find napit freindlier and more helpful. niceic might be the biggest it doesent make them the best although you would probably generate more work if you are registered with them.

 

[cagedanimal2010]

imo it don't mean crap who your with. some sparks do what they want e.g rubbish and get away with it and some of us do the "right thing" and go through all theses schemes and get moaned at because there not with niceic!!!

 

[cagedanimal2010]

p.s i am now with napit and they seem to look after me so im happy!

 

[mad frankie]

imo it don't mean crap who your with. some sparks do what they want e.g rubbish and get away with it and some of us do the "right thing" and go through all theses schemes and get moaned at because there not with niceic!!!

couldnt agree with you more. even those who are on schemes do rubbish and get away with it

 

[mad frankie]

p.s i am now with napit and they seem to look after me so im happy!

welcome to the NICE people not[niceic]