Now I know who is making money from Green Deal....

[sparkless]

Why say that it was the Tory party that changed the rules?

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

 

[puddy]

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

Save money or so they say?

A lot of the things I could claim on for DLA have been taken away like help with making my home more energy efficient on the Warmfront scheme.

The reason FiT was reduced is because the energy companies were footing the bill. But Dave protected them from further cost on the understand that they would not be challenged on price increases in Gas and Electric for the next 5 years so they could claw the money back

 

[puddy]

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name.

I am not sure what you mean/telling me

 

[Eco Deal]

Guys the FITS is claimable after the Green Deal solar as been installed.

tell me this if you finance a solar system form a bank loan etc does the bank claim the fits until you pay it. NO!

I have documents form DECC emailed to me that state the FITS or RHI can be claimed. I can email you the docs sparkless.

Microgen systems can be included in Green Deal pacakges as well as receiving FIT or RHI payments, but the FIT or RHI income will not be taken into account
when calculating the Green Deal savings.

 

[Gavin A]

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

have you been on the sauce?

the FIT hasn't been scrapped, and the Green Deal has nothing to do with FIT, if anything it's replacing the previous insulation scheme whereby the electricity companies directly subsidised cavity wall and loft insulation measures.

there's also no limit on the number of FIT installs anyone can own, though anyone owning 25 or more get's 10% lower FIT payments.

 

[Eco Deal]

GD measures BLUE are alos on commercial


Air source heat pumps
Lighting systems, fittings and controls (including rooflights, lamps and luminaires)
Biomass boilers Loft or rafter insulation (including loft hatch insulation)
Biomass room heaters (including with radiators)
Mechanical ventilation with heat recovery
Cavity wall insulation Micro combined heat and power
Cavity wall insulation (hard-to-treat) Micro wind generation
Chillers
Oil-fired condensing boilers
Cylinder thermostats Photovoltaics
Draught proofing Pipe-work insulation
Duct insulation
Radiant heating
External wall insulation systems Replacement glazing
Fan-assisted replacement storage heaters Roof insulation
Flue gas heat recovery devices Room in roof insulation
Gas-fired condensing boilers
Sealing improvements (including duct sealing)
Ground source heat pumps Secondary glazing
Heating controls (for wet central heating system and warm air system)
Solar blinds, shutters and shading devices
Heating ventilation and air-conditioning controls (including zoning controls)
Solar water heating
High performance external doors
Transpired solar collectors
Hot water controls (including timers and temperature control) Under-floor heating
Hot water cylinder insulation Under-floor insulation
Hot water showers (efficient)
Variable speed drives for fans and pumps
Hot water systems (efficient) Warm-air units
Hot water taps (efficient)
Waste water heat recovery devices attached to showers
Internal wall insulation (of external walls) systems Water source heat pumps

 

[Eco Deal]

Green Deal Measures

Air source heat pumps
Lighting systems, fittings and controls (including rooflights, lamps and luminaires)
Biomass boilers Loft or rafter insulation (including loft hatch insulation)
Biomass room heaters (including with radiators)
Mechanical ventilation with heat recovery
Cavity wall insulation Micro combined heat and power
Cavity wall insulation (hard-to-treat) Micro wind generation
Chillers
Oil-fired condensing boilers
Cylinder thermostats Photovoltaics
Draught proofing Pipe-work insulation
Duct insulation
Radiant heating
External wall insulation systems Replacement glazing
Fan-assisted replacement storage heaters Roof insulation
Flue gas heat recovery devices Room in roof insulation
Gas-fired condensing boilers
Sealing improvements (including duct sealing)
Ground source heat pumps Secondary glazing
Heating controls (for wet central heating system and warm air system)
Solar blinds, shutters and shading devices
Heating ventilation and air-conditioning controls (including zoning controls)
Solar water heating
High performance external doors
Transpired solar collectors
Hot water controls (including timers and temperature control) Under-floor heating
Hot water cylinder insulation Under-floor insulation
Hot water showers (efficient)
Variable speed drives for fans and pumps
Hot water systems (efficient) Warm-air units
Hot water taps (efficient)
Waste water heat recovery devices attached to showers
Internal wall insulation (of external walls) systems Water source heat pumps

 

[Worcester]

Whatver we 'think', the government has invested too much in the Green Deal.

It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out, however it is their plan to reduce energy consumption. New build is gettting tighter and they want to bring up the old housing stock.

The biggest owers of the housing stock are the Social Housing Groups so they had to come up with a scheme that they could afford and the big insulation / installation compnaies could deliver.

This scheme allows refurbishment of the housing stock at the tenants cost.

The rest of the process is just a mechanism to introduce some checks so that people aren;t completely ripped off. It is not system designed for small businesses / individual installers.

Havig said that there will be opportunities, and the advertising campaigns of the the big boys will raise awareness of what people can do to their homes and so being local you can offer a Green Deal type package of your own, without all the red tape at a lower cost.

We are building up key relationships, and we will pick up work from the awareness of it, and we will get the various accreditations, our goal though will be to steer our customers towards a range of much more flexible privately financed solutions.

The Green Deal is here to stay and it will work for a number of large companies, in the same way as the existing /closing CERT scheme was, - If you can point to any smaller businesses that made a success out of CERT, then you'll need to adopt their same approach to make a success out of the Green Deal.

We should be looking at HOW we can benefit from it because it isn't going away, I'm not convinced that any of the 'smaller' businesses have found the golden key YET.

 

[sparkless]

have you been on the sauce?

the FIT hasn't been scrapped, and the Green Deal has nothing to do with FIT, if anything it's replacing the previous insulation scheme whereby the electricity companies directly subsidised cavity wall and loft insulation measures.

there's also no limit on the number of FIT installs anyone can own, though anyone owning 25 or more get's 10% lower FIT payments.

The Fit Scheme has been clearly reduced considerably and I'm sorry but the Green Deal is the new Government incentive scheme, which replaces the previous FiT incentive scheme

 

[sparkless]

Whatver we 'think', the government has invested too much in the Green Deal.

It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out, however it is their plan to reduce energy consumption. New build is gettting tighter and they want to bring up the old housing stock.

The biggest owers of the housing stock are the Social Housing Groups so they had to come up with a scheme that they could afford and the big insulation / installation compnaies could deliver.

This scheme allows refurbishment of the housing stock at the tenants cost.

The rest of the process is just a mechanism to introduce some checks so that people aren;t completely ripped off. It is not system designed for small businesses / individual installers.

Havig said that there will be opportunities, and the advertising campaigns of the the big boys will raise awareness of what people can do to their homes and so being local you can offer a Green Deal type package of your own, without all the red tape at a lower cost.

We are building up key relationships, and we will pick up work from the awareness of it, and we will get the various accreditations, our goal though will be to steer our customers towards a range of much more flexible privately financed solutions.

The Green Deal is here to stay and it will work for a number of large companies, in the same way as the existing /closing CERT scheme was, - If you can point to any smaller businesses that made a success out of CERT, then you'll need to adopt their same approach to make a success out of the Green Deal.

We should be looking at HOW we can benefit from it because it isn't going away, I'm not convinced that any of the 'smaller' businesses have found the golden key YET.

When the Green Deal was first announced, I thought it was a great idea. its only after the launch that I have got so let down by their proposals.

As you say "It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out" and in the mean time, we are meant to stay quiet and pay our MCS and REAl memberships and as this post was started by someone spending more money on training chasing an ever moving goalpost

 

[Ian-LS]

The Fit Scheme has been clearly reduced considerably and I'm sorry but the Green Deal is the new Government incentive scheme, which replaces the previous FiT incentive scheme

Yes the FIT has been reduced that is true but the FIT scheme supports renewable energy technologies such as Solar PV, wind and hydro. The green deal DOES NOT replace the FIT scheme and is mainly in place to invest in energy efficiency measures such of loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, new boilers etc NOT Renewable Energy.

The Green Deal may well be the the new Government incentive scheme but it is not replacing the FIT scheme.

 

[sparkless]

Yes the FIT has been reduced that is true but the FIT scheme supports renewable energy technologies such as Solar PV, wind and hydro. The green deal DOES NOT replace the FIT scheme and is mainly in place to invest in energy efficiency measures such of loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, new boilers etc NOT Renewable Energy.

The Green Deal may well be the the new Government incentive scheme but it is not replacing the FIT scheme.

I completely agree, The Green Deal is not replacing the FiT, What I meant was it replaces the main incentive.

 

[Ian-LS]

But the Feed in Tariff is the main incentive is still will be regardless of the Green Deal. So I'm not sure what you are getting at?

 

[sparkless]

But the Feed in Tariff is the main incentive is still will be regardless of the Green Deal. So I'm not sure what you are getting at?

it is the main incentive now because we are between schemes.

the Green Deal should have launched in August.
we are in a no-mans land of incentive for solar.

I think as a customer looking at a 20 year investment, they would be better waiting 12months and seeing what happens, because the rate of FiT will not drop a lot more, but the Green Deal may produce what is promised if they can sort out this "Golden Rule"



The Green Deal with Solar PV has not launched yet too the domestic market.
When it does, it will be the Governments main incentive.

Ask any MP or anyone at the DECC two years ago why we should get solar and they would have barked on about the FiT incentive.

Ask any of them now and "Green Deal" is the flag they are waving.

No-one says it doesn't involve other "energy efficiency measures", but it is the new incentive for renewables

 

[Worcester]

Solar is a better investment today than it was in November 2011.
It costs less to install, the payback time is similar so you have cash left in the bank, and with electricity prices increasing you've invested less to get the same.

The difference is they type of customer, pre December 2011 / March 2012 it was people looking for a good Investment with 'short term' money being the driver, now the customers are people that understand the value in investeing in securing the cost of their energy for the next 20 - 25 years.

It's a different market. It's not 'dead', the market will NEVER be like is was in 2011 again, it's a different market with different reasons for investing. - Try reading 'Crossing the Chasm' by Geoffrey A Moore. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...=1841120634&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwgjbenterpr-21

 

[TedM]

The FiT is an 'incentive' that pays people back for a capital investment they make to generate electricity from renewables.

The Green Deal is a finance scheme that attempts to remove the capital cost barrier for anyone wanting to reduce their energy bills where the householder (or tenant) pays back a loan for energy reduction via their electricity bill. As such it can only be seen as an 'incentive' by people who cannot access similar (or better) finance from other sources. It will simplify paperwork to apply for a loan for quite specific home improvement services (as MEP has listed) so, from that point of view, may incentivise people to have work done on their property that they otherwise wouldn't be able or willing to do.

The two are really quite separate, even with DECC's attempts to get them to work together, and have quite separate meanings of 'incentive' so don't confuse them.

 

[sparkless]

The FiT is an 'incentive' that pays people back for a capital investment they make to generate electricity from renewables.

The Green Deal is a finance scheme that attempts to remove the capital cost barrier for anyone wanting to reduce their energy bills where the householder (or tenant) pays back a loan for energy reduction via their electricity bill. As such it can only be seen as an 'incentive' by people who cannot access similar (or better) finance from other sources. It will simplify paperwork to apply for a loan for quite specific home improvement services (as MEP has listed) so, from that point of view, may incentivise people to have work done on their property that they otherwise wouldn't be able or willing to do.

The two are really quite separate, even with DECC's attempts to get them to work together, and have quite separate meanings of 'incentive' so don't confuse them.

who confused them?
did I miss a post?

 

[Energetic]

No wonder the public has no idea whats going on if installers believe the FiT has been scrapped and replaced by the green deal.

The Feed In Tariff is still on and still generous, we just signed up a customer today who we quoted in late 2011 who declined at the time, he has a better range of panels to choose from, almost half the install price, a very similar payback time & ROI and the same amount of energy to use. He's chuffed to bits...

 

[sparkless]

No wonder the public has no idea whats going on if installers believe the FiT has been scrapped and replaced by the green deal.

The Feed In Tariff is still on and still generous, we just signed up a customer today who we quoted in late 2011 who declined at the time, he has a better range of panels to choose from, almost half the install price, a very similar payback time & ROI and the same amount of energy to use. He's chuffed to bits...

the FiT incentive was dramatically slashed (illegally) a year ago to make way for the Green Deal, which hasn't launched yet.

We may disagree on terminology, but the last governments incentive for renewable was the FiT and this governments is the Green Deal.

their reason for such drastic action last year was because both schemes cannot run together.

they haven't replaced one another yet because green deal is not active in the domestic field yet.


What will your customer that you signed up today say in two months when the Green Deal launches and he has spent his money now.
No wonder the public has no faith in the industry when all your interested in is anther sale, instead of advising the customer that this is a 20 year investment and it wouldn't harm to just wait 3 months and see what the government are suggesting.

But that wouldn't get you commission would it

 

[Earthstore]

Hmmm, I feel someone is getting a little confused here.
The Green deal does not replace the FIT, simple.
Yes the FIT has been reduced, dramatically and as proven illegally, but there is still a FIT system.

The Green deal is just a way of financing energy saving measures for those that can not fund it by normal means, and this includes PV.
At present, in my opinion (for what it is worth) there are better ways to fund your PV system, at much favorable rates, but the Green deal may work for some...

I hope this helps.