A metal tie wrap and some metal bandy won’t even fix this problem

[Dustydazzler]

'New-build homes not fire safe' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113301

 

[Red Tony]

And I noticed this underneath that story......

New-build house complaints rise - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47826166

I can speak for first hand experience having breifly had spells working on Taylor wimpey sites over the years......too much of a 'get it in quick and get out' attitude!

I'm sure if the 'future' Tennant's had a recording of how quickly their electrics/plumbing was shot in etc they would think twice about parting with their money.

 

[Squid]

'New-build homes not fire safe' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113301

The worst thing about this is that Building Control signed off, they should also be held to account.

 

[telectrix]

The worst thing about this is that Building Control signed off, they should also be held to account.

probably after signing a receipt for a brown envelope, ......full.....

 

[Taylortwocities]

The worst thing about this is that Building Control signed off, they should also be held to account.

You know how the process works. Following a cursory inspection, all that BC wants is the electronic notification from the electricians’ CPS.
It’s the electrician and/or his QS that’s at fault if cuts have been shorted.

 

[Dustydazzler]

And I noticed this underneath that story......

New-build house complaints rise - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47826166

I can speak for first hand experience having breifly had spells working on Taylor wimpey sites over the years......too much of a 'get it in quick and get out' attitude!

I'm sure if the 'future' Tennant's had a recording of how quickly their electrics/plumbing was shot in etc they would think twice about parting with their money.

I was recently asked to quote for some brand new build houses , I priced tight as I could to do a half decent job.
I was told I was far too expensive and the developer had found a firm who will do a 3 bed house for £1400 all in.
To me this is ridiculous.
My materials were coming out at £800 (cost) on their own..

The only way to make this kind of job even remotely profitable is to use a labourer to lash in the first fix over 2 days on £60 per day then allow 1 day 2nd fix and test.
Even then the margins will be so tight you will probably end up working for nothing.

 

[Charlie_]

On many large sites they use a sampling method..
Based on that the rest are deemed ok..
Sounds like the builders are doing all they can though to rectify matters, it won’t just be those that have been named that have fell short of fire standards..
Propaganda probably instigated by one of the main national developers who is also best buddies with the head honchos at the bbc..

 

[Andy78]

I was recently asked to quote for some brand new build houses , I priced tight as I could to do a half decent job.
I was told I was far too expensive and the developer had found a firm who will do a 3 bed house for £1400 all in.
To me this is ridiculous.
My materials were coming out at £800 (cost) on their own..

The only way to make this kind of job even remotely profitable is to use a labourer to lash in the first fix over 2 days on £60 per day then allow 1 day 2nd fix and test.
Even then the margins will be so tight you will probably end up working for nothing.

That's how it is now and has been for at least a decade. Problem is that there are thousands willing to work for this pittance and keep the wages down to the benefit of the developer's pocket.

An electrical firm recently contacted me with some labour only prices they were paying for some new builds near me. Fancy a laugh ?

(2 bed) 1ST FIX £340 2ND FIX £340 TEST & COMPLETE £100
(3 bed) 1ST FIX £360 2ND FIX £360 TEST & COMPLETE £100
(3 bed + Ensuite £380 2ND FIX £380 TEST & COMPLETE £100

 

[Charlie_]

The problem is that there are plenty of people out there willing to work for those rates..
The price of property has gone up but the rates have gone down..
I wonder if brexit will help this issue, if it is ever implemented..
I think the cheap labour influx was one of the main incentives the out voters

 

[Dustydazzler]

That's how it is now and has been for at least a decade. Problem is that there are thousands willing to work for this pittance and keep the wages down to the benefit of the developer's pocket.

An electrical firm recently contacted me with some labour only prices they were paying for some new builds near me. Fancy a laugh ?

(2 bed) 1ST FIX £340 2ND FIX £340 TEST & COMPLETE £100
(3 bed) 1ST FIX £360 2ND FIX £360 TEST & COMPLETE £100
(3 bed + Ensuite £380 2ND FIX £380 TEST & COMPLETE £100

I took up one of those companies offer a few years ago on some new build flats near me.
They were offering ‘labour’ rates of £200 1st fix and £200 second fix, no testing required on the 2 beds.
£160 first fix and £160 second fix on the 1 beds.
Just for a laugh I took them up on it.
I managed to do a complete second fix on one of the 2 bed flats including consumer unit in 1.5 days.
I literally ripped through it without cleaning up after myself and didn’t test a thing. I didn’t label the board no nothing.
Took 16 weeks to get paid.
Never again

 

[Andy78]

I took up one of those companies offer a few years ago on some new build flats near me.
They were offering ‘labour’ rates of £200 1st fix and £200 second fix, no testing required on the 2 beds.
£160 first fix and £160 second fix on the 1 beds.
Just for a laugh I took them up on it.
I managed to do a complete second fix on one of the 2 bed flats including consumer unit in 1.5 days.
I literally ripped through it without cleaning up after myself and didn’t test a thing. I didn’t label the board no nothing.
Took 16 weeks to get paid.
Never again

The rates I was quoted were for houses. He told me it was "obviously really good money". I thought that unless his lads were first fixing an entire property in a single day on their own with no labourer then it wasn't even a wage. He proceeded to tell me that was exactly what his lads were doing...wiring a house in a day single handed, taking them usually over 10 hours.

 

[derek]

Perhaps there should be a requirement for all operatives to have an understanding of part B, they could include questions in the CSCS and ECS H&S test maybe. Hopefully then trades would not be so casual about breaking through fire barriers to get their stuff in.
Perhaps there should be a requirement for developers to engage an independent Clerk of Works, as part of the planning permission requirements, to ensure standards are enforced in these new builds.
I've seen awful building standards even on high end properties in London where the builder uses site agents straight out of university.

 

[telectrix]

Perhaps there should be a requirement for all operatives to have an understanding of part B, they could include questions in the CSCS and ECS H&S test maybe. Hopefully then trades would not be so casual about breaking through fire barriers to get their stuff in.
Perhaps there should be a requirement for developers to engage an independent Clerk of Works, as part of the planning permission requirements, to ensure standards are enforced in these new builds.
I've seen awful building standards even on high end properties in London where the builder uses site agents straight out of university Borstal .

corrected that for you.

 

[Squid]

I'd also be sueing the surveyor that was employed prior to purchase.

 

[GBDamo]

Let me guess.

"Lessons have been learned"
"Training will be improved"
"A tighter inspection regime will be initiated"

Rather than,

"We will change our pay structure so that slapdash work is not incentivised by our management and culture"

"We will value the knowledge and input of experienced tradesmen rather than marginalise them in favour of 'straight from collage wide boys' who will do whatever they're told"

 

[derek]

I'd also be sueing the surveyor that was employed prior to purchase.

The problem is that pretty much all surveyors reports are written in such a way that they can't be held liable for anything under the fabric of the building.

 

[Squid]

The problem is that pretty much all surveyors reports are written in such a way that they can't be held liable for anything under the fabric of the building.

Depends if you went for the "cheap" option I'd bet that most of the owners just did the basic check for valuation purposes for the mortgage, there is so many horror stories in the press that Would never buy a new home or if I was forced in to it by circumstances then I would survey the hell out of it and get the sellers to stump up for any and all indemnity policies.