Boiler circuit 16A MCB

[Michaelwgroves]

Could not agree more
A painful read that

That would apply to every question on this forum. You mistake the spirit of forums, it's not a place to put others down, to make yourself feel superior. Your comments say more about you. Maybe take a look in the mirror.............
Interestingly, those that criticised, did not put forward any suggestions, just comments of I am holier-than-thou..............
I think Napit & NICEIC are better placed to determine competence.

 

[loz2754]

Napit & NICEIC are better placed to determine competence

One would like to believe so. But there's competence to install, and another level of competence to inspect and test.
Many joined the competent persons schemes solely so they could self certify notifiable works, works that they had installed themselves, not realising that this scheme membership did not cover their competence to do periodic inspection and testing. It was even written into the NICEIC Domestic Installer rules that they would not be allowed to carry out EICRs under the NICEIC banner or use their logo on such EICRs.
It wasn't until the PRS 2020 regulations came into being that the NICEIC started to allow Domestic Installers to do EICRs, but required them to undergo another assessment to determine their competence to do EICRs.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

One would like to believe so. But there's competence to install, and another level of competence to inspect and test.
Many joined the competent persons schemes solely so they could self certify notifiable works, works that they had installed themselves, not realising that this scheme membership did not cover their competence to do periodic inspection and testing. It was even written into the NICEIC Domestic Installer rules that they would not be allowed to carry out EICRs under the NICEIC banner or use their logo on such EICRs.
It wasn't until the PRS 2020 regulations came into being that the NICEIC started to allow Domestic Installers to do EICRs, but required them to undergo another assessment to determine their competence to do EICRs.

I've no experience with NICEIC, I recall Stroma having two competencies, but for sure, my Napit includes EICR's.

 

[ERFspark]

One would like to believe so. But there's competence to install, and another level of competence to inspect and test.
Many joined the competent persons schemes solely so they could self certify notifiable works, works that they had installed themselves, not realising that this scheme membership did not cover their competence to do periodic inspection and testing. It was even written into the NICEIC Domestic Installer rules that they would not be allowed to carry out EICRs under the NICEIC banner or use their logo on such EICRs.
It wasn't until the PRS 2020 regulations came into being that the NICEIC started to allow Domestic Installers to do EICRs, but required them to undergo another assessment to determine their competence to do EICRs.

I don’t do domestic as I’m industrial. Does that mean they don’t have to do the 2391 qualification?

 

[Michaelwgroves]

I don’t do domestic as I’m industrial. Does that mean they don’t have to do the 2391 qualification?

Test & Inspect was required for my CPS with Napit, and previously for Stroma.

 

[loz2754]

I don’t do domestic as I’m industrial. Does that mean they don’t have to do the 2391 qualification?

No, to join the scheme they need a 2391 qualification

 

[ERFspark]

No, to join the scheme they need a 2391 qualification

Excellent

 

[Rockingit]

I would argue it is a requirement from 17th edition.
Guidance Note 4 (17th Edition) - Protection Against Fire advises
3.8.1 Consumer Units & Similar Assemblies in domestic premises
'The Installer must seal all openings into the non-combustible enclosure or cabinet for cables, conduits, trunking or ducting that remain after the installation of cables. Good workmanship and proper materials must be used and account must be taken of the manufacturer's relevant instructions, if any.'

I was pulled up on this by Stroma during an assessment.

I've not had a good reason to get latest Guidance Note 4 until now, so just ordered 18th edition A2. It arrives tomorrow. I'll give a further update once it arrives, unless someone beats me to it.

That's talking about enclosures, not fire compartments in structures. If someone from Stroma was making an argument over it then I'd suggest they may have been misguided.

 

[timhoward]

That's talking about enclosures, not fire compartments in structures. If someone from Stroma was making an argument over it then I'd suggest they may have been misguided.

I think this was originally about a missing grommet in a consumer unit and a suggestion this was a fire safety issue.

Were Stroma talking about the IP rating being compromised or suggesting that the consumer unit has to be a perfectly air-tight enclosure?
Obviously gaping holes are not a good thing but my higher concern on an EICR is "can someone access live parts? (C1)" or "can someone access a single insulated cable (C2)"

 

[Michaelwgroves]

That's talking about enclosures, not fire compartments in structures. If someone from Stroma was making an argument over it then I'd suggest they may have been misguided.

Yes, we are talking about enclosures.
If you make a hole in an enclosure, how do you make that hole comply. In this thread we are talking about 32mm knockout.
In my stroma assessment, it was 6" knockout in back of consumer unit.
However, both holes give open into cavity, which would allow fire to travel through the cavity.