Hob combustable zone and socket outlet

[andysparkfree]

Hi all
as the picture attached you can see the location of the hob and the metal socket to the right, now the gas fitter has gone to commission the gas and has said he can't do it as the socket is within 150mm of the hob
now looking at the picture , i agree that it looks a little close and looking at it more there is loads of room to the right , however the owner is a little concerned that his freshly tiled back splash will need damaging if it needs to move
any comments welcome , i want to do the correct job , however if the gas man is just being a jobs worth and following recommendations rather than regulations then that would be useful info

 

[westward10]

Blank it off, refit when gas man finished

 

[ipf]

Blank it off, refit when gas man finished

… bypass the rcd and create a temporary short on the cooker for when he comes back, too.

…….and, if anybody doesn't take that for a joke, then they are proper DUMB

 

[Octopus]

Daft place to put the socket in the first place ............................ 300 mm minimum really

 

[buzzlightyear]

blank one side off to the left ,happy days.

 

[Squid]

The regs site 300mm to edge to the socket that is open to interpretation on how it is measured isn't it?

Or as above blank it off I'd blame the electrician to be honest.

Nasty tiles BTW......

 

[johnduffell]

Blank off the socket, or cap off the ring. Who wins?

Also, i thought in the manufacturers instructions it was x to the side OR y behind. And the y is only about 25mm. So may be ok. Otherwise how about an island hob with a socket 2m behind.

The nhbc basically say use common sense but 300mm is considered a good idea http://www.nhbc.co.uk/Builders/Tech...echnicalGuidance/81/filedownload,51128,en.pdf

 

[bigspark17]

Daft place to put the socket in the first place ............................ 300 mm minimum really

Do you have a reg number to back that up?
If you were doing an eicr and accessories were within 300mm what code would you give it?

 

[Rpa07]

That ring is designed to have a wok on it which will direct the heat and flam'age in that direction which is a shame.
I of a mistake is how it looks, I agree - decorative blank and a return visit.

 

[Octopus]

Do you have a reg number to back that up?
If you were doing an eicr and accessories were within 300mm what code would you give it?

There isn’t one - which is daft ... but there is a minimum in the building regs ....

 

[bigspark17]

There isn’t one - which is daft ... but there is a minimum in the building regs ....

There may be guidance not a reg.
I think 300mm is rediculous and sometimes unachievable in small kitchens, what is the danger in positioning a hob isolator 100mm away from hob edge.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The Gas Engineer is saying he can’t connect because the socket is too close.
Is it because of Building Regs, or Gas Safe Regs?

 

[Squid]

Do you have a reg number to back that up?
If you were doing an eicr and accessories were within 300mm what code would you give it?

Could it be under Reguation 512.2.1

Also any male in the kitchen is to be not allowed 1.8mts within any kitchen appliance.......

 

[telectrix]

Could it be under Reguation 512.2.1

Also any female in the kitchen is to be not allowed 1.8mts within any kitchen appliance.......

corrected that for you. it's females that stick knives in toasters, ram 25lbs. of washing in a 12lb. washer, pile dirty dishes into the dishwasher till there's none left in the cupboards, put pies on metal plates in the microwave........... and onandonandon.

 

[Squid]

corrected that for you. it's English females that stick knives in toasters, ram 25lbs. of washing in a 12lb. washer, pile dirty dishes into the dishwasher till there's none left in the cupboards, put pies on metal plates in the microwave........... and onandonandon.

Corrected that for you, hot Polish women don't do things like that........ ;o)))))))

 

[Ian1981]

There isn’t one - which is daft ... but there is a minimum in the building regs ....

Building regulations is 100mm away from a heat source

 

[Strima]

Looks like that socket was there long before the hob was.

Ideally needs to be moved but the plumber also needs to come up with a the number from a relevant publication to back up his claim.

 

[Strima]

Looks like that socket was there long before the hob was.

Ideally needs to be moved but the plumber also needs to come up with a the number from a relevant publication to back up his claim.

 

[FatAlan]

P69 of the sparkles guide to building regs shows diagram with cooker switch 100mm distance from hob but says must be positioned so it is not necessary to lean over hob to operate. Can’t find reference to sockets though. 300mm for sockets from sinks and draining boards.

 

[pirate]

OK, let's think about this...a plumber says he can't connect something because he thinks an electrician has got it wrong...but what has that got to do with it?
Plumber fits his stuff, job done. He's "commissioning the hob", not commenting on the electrics, surely? He should carry on, and make a comment on his sheet that suggests he is unhappy with the positioning of the socket.
Oh, how many people are killed every day because there is a socket outlet quite close to the hob?
I'm fed up with being told what to do...
even my wife is less strict!

 

[telectrix]

haha. mine's OK, she's of Polish parents.(this wasin answer to SWD, before i saw pirate's post).

 

[pirate]

You will get your marching orders instead!

 

[KEV 1 N]

Nasty tiles BTW......

They may be a fan of retro computer games......

 

[Squid]

Oooooh bricks/wall or whatever it was called a misspent youth in my local chippy.......

 

[DPG]

Breakout originally in the old Atari days, then a new lease of life as Arkanoid much later.

 

[DPG]

a misspent youth in my local chippy.......

What you do with local carpenters is no business of ours

 

[Squid]

What you do with local carpenters is no business of ours

That wood have been with my local chippy, shhhhhesh!

 

[Intoelectrics]

Ask the gas safe engineer plumber to blank off the rear right burner

 

[andysparkfree]

Thanks guys

 

[Octopus]

Building regulations is 100mm away from a heat source

In which document?

 

[Ian1981]

In which document?

This one from NHBC.
It’s what we are required to follow on new builds and similar in my area.

 

[Octopus]

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This one from NHBC.
It’s what we are required to follow on new builds and similar in my area.

Thanks for that .......... don't remember seeing that before ......... shame its not in BS 7671 - as it would clear things up and remove ambiguity...

That said, space permitting I won't put sockets or switches within 300 mm of hobs

 

[telectrix]

i wouldnotfit a socket above the sink drainer anyway. it's a splash hazard and encourages customers to use a kettle on the drainer. (NHBC diagram #2).

 

[johnduffell]

Thanks for that .......... don't remember seeing that before ......... shame its not in BS 7671 - as it would clear things up and remove ambiguity...

I don't suppose that would be in the remit, maybe in an appendix as rough guidance, but even then people would quote it as law.
By putting it as suitable for the location and influences it puts the onus on the designer to think about the possibilities and work appropriately.
Since it's a gas guy complaining, he should justify it and specify a bs7671 reg, gas reg, or information from the instructions of the socket or hob to justify. There should be a technical support line to help if he's needing assistance.
Specifying everything in the regs is a fine balance between taking away flexibility and giving people clear guidance that only needs a ruler to comply.