How to run electric to my shed.

[Andy78]

There are many benefits to living in Scotland. Don't think I would be allowed to live there though, as although I try very hard, I dont think I could meet the minimum alcohol consumption levels.

 

[Geordie Spark]

And some parts pay 100% for elderly care and how is this fair.

This disparity is down to the "Barnet formula", introduced in the 1970's, as a temporary measure.

Aye, a bit like Income Tax was introduced as a temporary measure to finance the Napoleonic War?

As for elderly care, I had my eyes well and truly opened when I was caring for my Mother who was an Alzeimer's sufferer. That woman had worked most of her life from leaving school and paid her dues, She was of voting age when the incoming Labour Government made their famous promise of free healthcare "from the cradle to the grave" yet when she needed help it wasn't there - unless she paid for it.

Politicians? - lying, cheating, two-faced, self-serving lying *******s - every single one of them and DON'T get me started on Social Workers!!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Politicians? - lying, cheating, two-faced, self-serving lying *******s - every single one of them and DON'T get me started on Social Workers!!

If I could agree with that more than 100%, I would! Grrrr! :censored::censored:

 

[decolad69]

Evening folks,
Im Lee and I am looking for some advice on how to run electric to my shed. I have been searching the net for help but there's been so many different answers its starting to confuse me. I have never tried this before but I am an experienced diy'er and will give anything ago once.

I will be using my shed to fix and build motorbikes so I will be using power tools. I'm wanting to have 3 strip lights and maybe 4 or 5 double sockets.
My shed is approximately 10ft from the back of the house, it would probably be 24ft from the main fuse box. ( main fuse box is located in the cupboard at the front door)

I know I'm going to have to dig a trench to run the wire from the main fuse box to the shed but not sure how deep plus the wire will be run underneath a path, will that be safe?

Can someone please tell me how to do this and what wire, fuse boxes etc etc i will need?

Any information would be a big help as I would like to give this a go myself instead of getting a sparky in.

Screwfix mate you'll like it there.:seeya:

 

[Octopus]

Aye, a bit like Income Tax was introduced as a temporary measure to finance the Napoleonic War?

As for elderly care, I had my eyes well and truly opened when I was caring for my Mother who was an Alzeimer's sufferer. That woman had worked most of her life from leaving school and paid her dues, She was of voting age when the incoming Labour Government made their famous promise of free healthcare "from the cradle to the grave" yet when she needed help it wasn't there - unless she paid for it.

Politicians? - lying, cheating, two-faced, self-serving lying *******s - every single one of them and DON'T get me started on Social Workers!!

Like you, I've been through that with my mum, but because my parents lived a prudent life, it cost her £195.00 per day for the last 5 months of her life.

 

[ian.settle1]

That all seems a bit long-winded to me ....... what's wrong with just using a couple of half bricks??

Might hurt his thumbs if he doesn't hold them just right

 

[Des 56]

It isn't just Part Pee either ..... some parts of the UK have prescription charges (for medicine etc) and other parts don't. How is that fair???

I like to think all things we get in Wales that is free could be considered fair

With that in mind.I would like to see a whole lot more of this fairness thing

Only joking by the way,the caring society we seek has been left somewhere in the past

 

[Gage]

Step by step guide:

Step 1: Get an Electrician.

 

[clematis432]

Lee, I,m from Scotland also, but that post was quite frankly embarrassing and even rather arrogant.

 

[dan86]

it would appear as though this thread has run its course, and lee has had all the sensible advice he is likely to get.
surely it can now be closed?

ps- lee- I understand why you asked, and understand why you want to do the job yourself, but as I'm sure you're now aware, it ain't as straight forward as you first envisaged. with that in mind, just get a sparky to do it for you, and save some cash by digging the trench for them. when you were a joiner, did you not meet any sparkies and become mates? you could always do a job for a job if that's possible...

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

You mean prostitute himself.....disgusting!

it would appear as though this thread has run its course, and lee has had all the sensible advice he is likely to get.
surely it can now be closed?

ps- lee- I understand why you asked, and understand why you want to do the job yourself, but as I'm sure you're now aware, it ain't as straight forward as you first envisaged. with that in mind, just get a sparky to do it for you, and save some cash by digging the trench for them. when you were a joiner, did you not meet any sparkies and become mates? you could always do a job for a job if that's possible...

 

[dan86]

we've all done it!

 

[dan86]

haven't we...?

 

[Geordie Spark]

Like you, I've been through that with my mum, but because my parents lived a prudent life, it cost her £195.00 per day for the last 5 months of her life.

Yes, mine led a prudent life too ..... same living room carpet for 40 something years same with the kitchen. No central heating - just an open fire that burned smokeless fuel. Never spent a penny on the house, never had a holiday abroad or even left the country. Dad worked for the same firm for over 30 years all hours that God sent - even Christmas day more than once and paid his dues.

Meanwhile, another bloke working in the same job did the bare minimum, had holidays abroad every five minutes and saved nothing. Guess who got all the help when it was needed.

The last time I asked for something for Mum, the two Social Workers arrived and all they were interested in was getting yet another Financial Assessment completed, then they wondered why I threw them down the front steps ...........

 

[rustynails]

Where's Lee gone now. It's all gone quiet over there!

 

[Spoon]

Where's Lee gone now. It's all gone quiet over there!

He's been to B&Q, got his 1mm 2 core cable and wrapped it in insulation tape (mechanical protection) and installed it... job done....

 

[Engineer54]

Regardless of any of the good advise that's been given to this idiot, he will still go ahead with his planned installation, because he like many others that come here, always think they know better!!

 

[plugsandsparks]

Recently quoted for a shed, 22M 4mm swa run, under lawn and gravel path, RCD IP65 CU in shed, 2 sockets and one strip light, off house CU using an empty way.
Quote was just over £300 - chased up response as was told way too expensive not going ahead.
Must learn to say no to domestic......

 

[telectrix]

yet same idiots will not bat an eyelid at £1000+ for a boiler from BG, or £6000 for a weetabix based kitchen

 

[Guitarist]

I always cringe now when someone asks for a quote for outbuilding or pond supplies, and usually tell them over the phone that they're most likely looking at a few hundred pounds. That's when they say "but it's only for a few sockets and a light. I was expecting it to be under £50".
Saves me a wasted trip.

 

[R G]

Like me , your flogging a dead horse in Norfook , Keep getting phone calls , how much is it to issue a certificate , or I've had a look in Screwfix book.

 

[Guitarist]

Like me , your flogging a dead horse in Norfook , Keep getting phone calls , how much is it to issue a certificate , or I've had a look in Screwfix book.

Amazing how many people quote screwfix prices

 

[lrelectrical]

Would you mess with gas I think not so you should not mess with electrics as they both kill leave it to experienced electricians

 

[Helm-Electric]

So then, if Part P exists in England and Wales, does this mean in Scotland it is a free for all and anyone can wire up anything? No building or notification regs?

 

[jimmymac]

So then, if Part P exists in England and Wales, does this mean in Scotland it is a free for all and anyone can wire up anything? No building or notification regs?

There's plenty of regs! Having worked in both countries I can honestly say that the Scottish system is much clearer and easier to work to, also, the Electrical Trainee problem is much less as the scheme's do not have part P to use as a lever

 

[jimmymac]

I've just realised how old this thread is, why has it been re-introduced?

 

[Engineer54]

There's plenty of regs! Having worked in both countries I can honestly say that the Scottish system is much clearer and easier to work to, also, the Electrical Trainee problem is much less as the scheme's do not have part P to use as a lever

So WHO is determining them as competent then??

I was under the impression that you needed a SJIB registration number to notify work to the LABC??

 

[Helm-Electric]

So WHO is determining them as competent then??

I was under the impression that you needed a SJIB registration number to notify work to the LABC??

Maybe our jock brothers can answer that one.

 

[jimmymac]

So WHO is determining them as competent then??

I was under the impression that you needed a SJIB registration number to notify work to the LABC??

The NICEIC and SELECT are the schemes which operate up here but a lot of what is notifiable in England is not notifiable in Scotland. The standards which are required to have work passed by the LABC varies from area to area. Most of them like to see a photocopy of your SJIB card to go along with the test certs which you supply when an installation is completed. There are still people operating who are not qualified but there doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as you cannot just do a short course or a night course and then be registered as an electrician or domestic installer. To be graded as an electrician in Scotland you must have served a full apprenticeship or have a lot of years & experience along with cast iron references. The SJIB seem to be much stricter than the JIB.......that's I how I understand it anyway!

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Maybe our jock brothers can answer that one.

I am no brother of yours! lol

 

[Geordie Spark]

Would you mess with gas I think not so you should not mess with electrics as they both kill leave it to experienced electricians

That reminds me - it's time for my gas meter to have a little holiday.

 

[Marvo]

GEORDIE!!! I can understand TB coming out with a statement lie that but I had you pegged as an honest, hard working lad.

 

[Silvermerlin]

Hi Lee, this is notifiable work

 

[Helm-Electric]

Hi Lee, this is notifiable work

Maybe Lee has never responded, as 'having a go' has ended in fatal consequences!

 

[Barry White]

This type of thread must pop up often and I dare say most will go ahead and do it anyway. Whilst I would not like to advise helping them connect to consumer unit etc can we not advise them of buried swa terminated into a joint box protected by a RCD plug and 13A fuse and the other wired into a double socket or 2 in the shed.lights and all on plugs not ideal but if done correctly its cheap and safe and must be better than bodged twin and earth in hosepipes etc. and no part P

 

[Helm-Electric]

This type of thread must pop up often and I dare say most will go ahead and do it anyway. Whilst I would not like to advise helping them connect to consumer unit etc can we not advise them of buried swa termanated into a joint box protected by a RCD plug and 13A fuse and the other wired into a double socket or 2 in the shed.lights and all on plugs not ideal but if done correctly its cheap and safe and must be better than bodged twin and earth in hosepipes etc. and no part P

The thing is, how would any Local Authority know if someone has wired up their shed without notifying or getting a qualified person to do the work? It scares me when DIYers appear on these sort of forums and think its as simple as wiring a plug!

 

[jimmymac]

He lives in Scotland and the post started 12 months ago.......Hope this puts your minds to rest boys

 

[Geordie Spark]

He lives in Scotland and the post started 12 months ago.......Hope this puts your minds to rest boys

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[GLENNSPARK]

This type of thread must pop up often and I dare say most will go ahead and do it anyway. Whilst I would not like to advise helping them connect to consumer unit etc can we not advise them of buried swa terminated into a joint box protected by a RCD plug and 13A fuse and the other wired into a double socket or 2 in the shed.lights and all on plugs not ideal but if done correctly its cheap and safe and must be better than bodged twin and earth in hosepipes etc. and no part P

been asleep have you?....

 

[Helm-Electric]

He lives in Scotland and the post started 12 months ago.......Hope this puts your minds to rest boys

Yeah we know.

 

[Octopus]

The thing is, how would any Local Authority know if someone has wired up their shed without notifying or getting a qualified person to do the work? It scares me when DIYers appear on these sort of forums and think its as simple as wiring a plug!

Read his other posts. My thinks we have a smart arse on our hands. This forum is supposed to be for professional sparks!

 

[jimmymac]

Read his other posts. My thinks we have a smart arse on our hands. This forum is supposed to be for professional sparks!

The worlds full of 'em Murdoch

 

[GLENNSPARK]

yet same idiots will not bat an eyelid at £1000+ for a boiler from BG, or £6000 for a weetabix based kitchen

dont forget the car/s you sees as you drive in...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Crack on Lee its easy mate.Just make sure you do a ZS test at the fuseboard first and ascertain wether your DNO has installed a TNS,TT,TNC or PME system and make sure all the Equipotential CPC is 17th edition compliant.Then decide what sort of cable you want to use its up to you,you can use T+E,LSF,SWA or LV.Make sure you use IP rated glands though.As the work you are doing is classed as being in a special location you will probably have to fit a RCBO into your fuseboard.Once you have selected the cable you are using calculate your volt drop which will tell you what size you need.Dont forget to use diversity when you are calculating the size of your main overcurrent protection device.If you dont know how to do the calculations get a copy of the latest regs book its only £65 and the OSG is really handy as well and thats only £20.After that its simply a matter of wiring it all up.Before you energize it make sure you do an Insulation resistance and continuity test.The best thing to do these with are MFT's you can pick a cheap one up for about £750.Then you will have to notify your local council to come and sign it off.I dont know what they charge in your neck of the woods as they are all different but i know where i live there is a minimum charge of £250.Also you have to notify them before you start work.The worst that can happen is you will have a fire or someone will get killed by electrocution


Or you could just pay a spark to do it

in the UK?...

i would hope not fella...

 

[Helm-Electric]

Read his other posts. My thinks we have a smart arse on our hands. This forum is supposed to be for professional sparks!

The forum Police are here. Panic!!

 

[Barry White]

He lives in Scotland and the post started 12 months ago.......Hope this puts your minds to rest boys

did notice that and also the amount of stick the poster got whilst some think it deserved. I feel advise of the type i posted is better than a beating even if its only with a keyboard

cheers myke

 

[jimmymac]

This type of thread must pop up often and I dare say most will go ahead and do it anyway. Whilst I would not like to advise helping them connect to consumer unit etc can we not advise them of buried swa terminated into a joint box protected by a RCD plug and 13A fuse and the other wired into a double socket or 2 in the shed.lights and all on plugs not ideal but if done correctly its cheap and safe and must be better than bodged twin and earth in hosepipes etc. and no part P

Well your entitled to your opinion. If he can make sense of the paragraph above he's doing better than me

 

[jimmymac]

P.S You've spelt your name wrong

 

[Barry White]

Well your entitled to your opinion. If he can make sense of the paragraph above he's doing better than me

You didnt read my post!

This is exactly what I mean. this is supposed to be a forum for helping electricians (as we all don't know everything. (except a certain few on here who may be knowledgeable but must be here for the same reasons as me as I don't)
I see there is a DIY section but when you arrive at this forum from a search engine (like I did) it takes you to the results not the DIY section.
What I was trying to say was how about constuctive advise moving to correct section and if possible suggest an alternative.
Instead The selective "WE" at the forum want to rubbish folk from the otherside of a keyboard I dont like this

THE ANSWER I GAVE WAS NOT FOR THE OP BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED AND WAS NOT A HOW TO.

But will write you one if you like

parts list
3mm green/yellow sleeving
3mm blue sleeving
M4 ring terminal
2 way conduit box with lid and screws
15A block connector
length of 1.5mm 3 core cable
metal clad double socket
rcd plug
10m of 3 core swa 1.5mm
20mm gland pack
a few cable cleats and screw to fix
and a spade

Why do "the board " rubbish people or allow this to happen..

this is totally off topic now and if you or anyone else wants to discuss this lets do it on another post not seen a general discussion area but if someone will point me the way Thanks in advance.

I also would like to thank the contributors who have helped me in the past I have not asked for help but using search found the answer of a question asked by another poster.

 

[Octopus]

You didnt read my post!This is exactly what I mean. this is supposed to be a forum for helping electricians (as we all don't know everything. (except a certain few on here who may be knowledgeable but must be here for the same reasons as me as I don't)I see there is a DIY section but when you arrive at this forum from a search engine (like I did) it takes you to the results not the DIY section.What I was trying to say was how about constuctive advise moving to correct section and if possible suggest an alternative.Instead The selective "WE" at the forum want to rubbish folk from the otherside of a keyboard I dont like thisTHE ANSWER I GAVE WAS NOT FOR THE OP BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED AND WAS NOT A HOW TO.But will write you one if you like parts list3mm green/yellow sleeving3mm blue sleevingM4 ring terminal2 way conduit box with lid and screws 15A block connectorlength of 1.5mm 3 core cablemetal clad double socketrcd plug10m of 3 core swa20mm gland packa few cable cleats and screw to fix and a spadeWhy do "the board " rubbish people or allow this to happen..this is totally off topic now and if you or anyone else wants to discuss this lets do it on another post not seen a general discussion area but if someone will point me the way Thanks in advance.I also would like to thank the contributors who have helped me in the past I have not asked for help but using search found the answer of a question asked by another poster.

11 posts and you are trying to dictate how the forum operates - I don't think so, nor do I think you work as a spark so remember this forum is for sparks to help sparks - NOT GIVE PARTS LISTS to Joe Public!!

 

[Barry White]

@ Murdock
I dont dictate on here how can I? was discussing a point is that not what forums are for? and now what I said has happened to me. no doubt my name will be changed to pretend electrician cos I aint part Peeing in your pot.

Anyway I was trying to be constructive and this is not so will end this now unless you also want to be constructive.